Boeing says RSAF will follow Korea
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offer them money arh...but i doubt so....northrop wont be making any profits...Originally posted by ray243:yah...what about the F-23? the competitor to F-22 but lost...still a good plane though... -
We cannot afford the F-22s... so forget it.Originally posted by Rockhound:i dont think there is an overwhelming number of f15 supporters...
the yanks wont sell their f22s......
neither will they sell the nighthawk....
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Incidentally, while searching "flying coffin" on the web, I came across a couple of write-ups about eh Brewster Buffalo.Originally posted by aerozapper:Just a side note;
The term flying coffin has become a generic term more than a nickname.
It's been used to describe everything from World War II Brewster Buffalos to Indian Air Force MiG-21s to basically everything else that somehow earns the unlucky reputation of being a flying death trap...
Jus saying...
It was actually a fine plane for its time. It was one of the first all metal monoplane. It had good performance until the USN decided to mess with it by adding armour etc and made it overloaded.
The Finns used it to shoot down several hunderds of Soviet fighter planes.
But by the time the Brits used it to fight the Japs, it was obsolete. Plus the pilots in SEA were green while the Japs were veterans. -
I disagree. There is no arms race in our region. The technical definition for arms racing conditions can be found under Colin Grey's "Arms Race Phenomenon." SEA does not fit that category where there is a rapid build-up of arms (action-reaction) in a very short period of time amidst growing hostilities, like the U.S-Sov nuclear arms race or the Anglo-German naval race. What does exist are arms racing dynamics. This is fuelled by by supply-side pressures, economic growth, and of cos' growing littoral and border issues.Originally posted by suntze:SpecOps,
Unfortunately, there is already have an arms race. Our northern neighbour perhaps has more reasons to do so due to proximity with more states and having more contentious border areas, the latest being the seas off Sabah.
Hence, the doctrine of staying just one step ahead of potential adversaries in order to avoid an arms race is no longer valid. The arms race is here to stay and we have no choice but to ensure our defence forces are the best we can afford.
There is more of 'imitation' than anything else in this region's arms procurement...one country's hardware purchase will inevitably trigger a reaction by the other to match up to its capabilities. It is more of prestige and 'swaggering' than the existence of extreme hostile conditions... -
Originally posted by Tango1
I disagree. There is no arms race in our region. The technical definition for arms racing conditions can be found under Colin Grey's "Arms Race Phenomenon." SEA does not fit that category where there is a rapid build-up of arms (action-reaction) in a very short period of time amidst growing hostilities, like the U.S-Sov nuclear arms race or the Anglo-German naval race. What does exist are arms racing dynamics. This is fuelled by by supply-side pressures, economic growth, and of cos' growing littoral and border issues.
There is more of 'imitation' than anything else in this region's arms procurement...one country's hardware purchase will inevitably trigger a reaction by the other to match up to its capabilities. It is more of prestige and 'swaggering' than the existence of extreme hostile conditions...
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There ya go...arms jog... There's an article written on it also...by Shannon Selin...the author referred to the overall Asian phenomenon as an "arms stroll" however...
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French prez jacques chiraq did make an attempt to pressure PM Lee during his last vist here...Originally posted by LazerLordz:The French seldom send their Defence Minister out on a salesgirl job, not to forget its a commercial sale , not government to government.The Rafale was on the market for so long but failed to get a single buyer. -
What pressure can the France give to SG ?Originally posted by IAF:French prez jacques chiraq did make an attempt to pressure PM Lee during his last vist here...
French leaders are trying to make SG leaders feel " good " about buying Rafale
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Originally posted by LazerLordz
What is true stealth is debatable and probably unknowable in a public forum. However, we do know that LO planes has the advantage in terms of detection range and consequently, the initiative. Holding the initiative and having the element of surprise during action are absolutely vital.
No point spending too much on a system that is not true stealth.Play with EW.After all, we are supposed to be front-runners in this field.
Originally posted by Warren BuffettIf you cannot go down to noise floor.......bring the noise floor to you!
There is always a need for EW; however, it complements rather than substitutes the need for stealth. Decoys are for last ditch defences.
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Active EW is the trend nowadays, not mere passive decoys.But I agree that RCS does play a certain role, though it's not the whole shebang, because RAM is still a viable method to acheive LO.Originally posted by suntze:Originally posted by LazerLordz
There is always a need for EW; however, it complements rather than substitutes the need for stealth. Decoys are for last ditch defences. -
Singapore Submits RFP For Combat Jet Production
03/09/2005 09:41:22 AM
By Neelam Mathews
NEW DELHI - Singapore's defense ministry has submitted a request for proposals to three companies for the production of 20 fighter aircraft worth $1 billion, defense minister Teo Chee Hean said.
Under consideration are EurofighterÃs Typhoon, Boeing Co.'s F-15E and F/A-18(WTH is going on here?), and Dassault Aviation's Rafael. Two United Kingdom Royal Air Force Typhoons were evaluated in Singapore last year. (DAILY, July 6, 2004).
The defence ministry will award the contract in the next few months and "ensure that it extracts the best value," Teo said.
The aircraft are to replace the Singapore air force's 70 aging MDC A/TA-4SU Skyhawks.
Singapore previously requested full access to manufacturers' source code as a key condition for buying the fighters (DAILY, June 17, 2003). The country had hoped to make a final selection by mid-2004 so the aircraft could be delivered in 2007 and 2008.
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the f/a18 are probably the F/A-18E....Originally posted by LazerLordz:Singapore Submits RFP For Combat Jet Production
03/09/2005 09:41:22 AM
By Neelam Mathews
NEW DELHI - Singapore's defense ministry has submitted a request for proposals to three companies for the production of 20 fighter aircraft worth $1 billion, defense minister Teo Chee Hean said.
Under consideration are EurofighterÃs Typhoon, Boeing Co.'s F-15E and F/A-18(WTH is going on here?), and Dassault Aviation's Rafael. Two United Kingdom Royal Air Force Typhoons were evaluated in Singapore last year. (DAILY, July 6, 2004).
The defence ministry will award the contract in the next few months and "ensure that it extracts the best value," Teo said.
The aircraft are to replace the Singapore air force's 70 aging MDC A/TA-4SU Skyhawks.
Singapore previously requested full access to manufacturers' source code as a key condition for buying the fighters (DAILY, June 17, 2003). The country had hoped to make a final selection by mid-2004 so the aircraft could be delivered in 2007 and 2008.
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Of all the aircraft mentioned officially and unofficially as a contender like:
F-15 EAGLE, FA-18 HORNET, RAFALE, EUROTYPHOON, SU-35 etc...
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Rafale.
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Decoys are just.....that decoys. Delilahs are used to saturate SAM sites when you ingress ....in this case not used as last ditch defense. Though that maybe the case with the navies.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Active EW is the trend nowadays, not mere passive decoys.But I agree that RCS does play a certain role, though it's not the whole shebang, because RAM is still a viable method to acheive LO.
Not sure the RAM will bring the RCS down by that much if in the first place it's huge signature.
I believe in BVR scenario, there maybe missiles that you can fire to create more returns in divergent vectors......and after a while it divides into two to create another set of divergent vectors...... -
Posted by Fairyland
Decoys are just.....that decoys. Delilahs are used to saturate SAM sites when you ingress ....in this case not used as last ditch defense. Though that maybe the case with the navies.
Hi Fairyland,
Not sure the RAM will bring the RCS down by that much if in the first place it's huge signature.
I believe in BVR scenario, there maybe missiles that you can fire to create more returns in divergent vectors......and after a while it divides into two to create another set of divergent vectors......
Is your alter ego Warren Buffett?
If you're referring to use of TAL decoys in SEAD, I agree.
This topic is not discussed very much, suppose for obvious reasons. Unfortunately and perhaps unavoidably, this makes the forum less interesting when compared to others that allows more open discussion. -
Well I thought I do a change just for fun.....but I'm sure ppl know who I am from my IP address.
No, my alter ego is Mr Stonecipher, Boeing's CEO.
Like the F-15, it's old BUT potent. -
FORMER CEO - Got sack for playing around .Originally posted by Warren Buffet:No, my alter ego is Mr Stonecipher, Boeing's CEO.
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FORMER CEO - Got sack for playing around .
But unlike the F15, old but no longer potent. : : -
Very true - he is the former CEO....but oh what a life he has led and how Boeing is better off because of him.
In another time, playing around would be seen as nothing. Who knows..... he may sign a 100m deal with Sony (or Disney!) for the movie rights to his story!
He is still a potent force.....in spirit (as to be expected for his person and his life) and the envious "playing part".
Wrong place wrong time.......someone said "....just don't get caught."