V200's replacement?
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The V200 vehicle have been in SAF's inventory for quite some time already. I think it is time where we considered its replacement. Furthermore, i don't think it have ever been upgraded before(I may be wrong on this) which is unlike the SM1 tanks.Since the V200 is mainly used by the PDF and units such as the Air Force's Field Defence Squadrons then I think the local STK'S Terrex should be more than capable to take over V200's tasks. What do you think?
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I think there is a guards company that operate them also? I once had to open up a gate for them to pass into training area when they are in my unit for training, all brown beret one.
But it was quite a sight, considering they are drawing attention in armour camp. -
I was from that unit - all reservists. What gate was that?Originally posted by octega:I think there is a guards company that operate them also? I once had to open up a gate for them to pass into training area when they are in my unit for training, all brown beret one.
But it was quite a sight, considering they are drawing attention in armour camp.
The V200s are operated by the armour support unit (ASU) - the troops are from Guards battalions. -
The V200s have been upgraded with new diesel engines.Originally posted by tankee1981:The V200 vehicle have been in SAF's inventory for quite some time already. I think it is time where we considered its replacement. Furthermore, i don't think it have ever been upgraded before(I may be wrong on this) which is unlike the SM1 tanks.Since the V200 is mainly used by the PDF and units such as the Air Force's Field Defence Squadrons then I think the local STK'S Terrex should be more than capable to take over V200's tasks. What do you think?
I used to think that the replacement would naturally be the Terrex, but looking at the Bronco - the specification and mission types seems similar. -
Maybe the Bronco is a bit too long? I know that there is a version armed with a GPMG but thats the most powerful weapon avaliable. If we really use Bronco then I think we need to add something. Do you think it is feasible to add a turret to Bronco?
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A surprise good performer in Iraq is the XM1117 which is a V-150.
Apparantly the angled hull sides deflect RPG rounds even though it is not thick enough to ward off a detonation.
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Most of the Iraq ammo are way past the thier life span or expired.Originally posted by Warren Buffet:A surprise good performer in Iraq is the XM1117 which is a V-150.
Apparantly the angled hull sides deflect RPG rounds even though it is not thick enough to ward off a detonation.
Why not just upgrade again?
That why so many of RPG rounds are "dud" and when can fired bounce off the amour because the HEAT failure to work .
Anyway , agreed with your assessment that we do not need to spent more $$ on a new family of vehicles.
OT - Warren Buffet can you recommend any good stock to make $$$$ - preferly short -term
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After 30 years , V200 " troopers / comandos " is back in businessOriginally posted by bcoy:I was from that unit - all reservists. What gate was that?
The V200s are operated by the armour support unit (ASU) - the troops are from Guards battalions.
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They never did retire, just that they are not in CADs that's all.Originally posted by sg1960:After 30 years , V200 " troopers / comandos " is back in business
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It must be the rear gate in camp 1 where reservist units go out for training in Area D.Originally posted by octega:I think there is a guards company that operate them also? I once had to open up a gate for them to pass into training area when they are in my unit for training, all brown beret one.
But it was quite a sight, considering they are drawing attention in armour camp.
That rear gate area was rumoured to be haunted.
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yeah, my samsung v200 is getting old too
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yeah, my samsung v200 is getting old too
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It was way back in 2000 or 2001, back in old ATC compound before we shifted, the gate was just outside the camp.Originally posted by bcoy:I was from that unit - all reservists. What gate was that?
The V200s are operated by the armour support unit (ASU) - the troops are from Guards battalions.
My unit was never really involved, we just provided the training area. We were told of the training, our RSM just told us (those doing the Duty Orderly) to offered any assistance to them, one of which is to open gate -
It was the gate just outside the old ATC compound (beside the reservist carpark) not the one inside.Originally posted by gary1910:It must be the rear gate in camp 1 where reservist units go out for training in Area D.
That rear gate area was rumoured to be haunted.
Is it the same gate that you are talking abt?
Dunno haunted. But sure gave me the creeps, I had to go around check the MT Line, vehicle shed, wash area and check all the gates at night, sure gave me goosebumps, heng nothing more than that! -
You mean the original main gate near 801(I think, so long ago) ?Originally posted by octega:It was the gate just outside the old ATC compound (beside the reservist carpark) not the one inside.
Dunno haunted. But sure gave me the creeps, I had to go around check the MT Line, vehicle shed, wash area and check all the gates at night, sure gave me goosebumps, heng nothing more than that!
Anyway, in the old days where the old barrack at all, that rear gate area was in fact very creepy, heard some rumours , when I was duty there, there was a report that the prowlers saw something "white" flew past near the gate,and both ran straight back to the guard room of camp1, then SG camp was separate into camp1 and camp2 , camp3 was not built yet. -
The V-200 will not be upgraded in my opinion. It will be used until they cannot move anymore or until they know what to replace it with. Right now they are just being used as an anti-aircraft platform and easy troop carrying duties. You won't see them tackling rough terrain etc as it is a well-known risk.
Why?
The V-200 has a serious problem. It is known to flip over easily on inclines because of its high centre of gravity and the fact that it is a wheeled vehicle.
That's why they were taken out of service as troop carriers and the job given to M-113.
Furthermore, I think the 4 wheels do not give very good cross country performance and the vehicle can get stuck in small ditches etc. Most countries in the world now go for at least 6 wheels for armoured cars.
Our Terrex for example has 8 wheels. The US Stryker also has eight wheels.
Anyway, there is a great debate going on regarding wheels vs tracks, The US and Canada seems to be moving towards more wheels and some people feel this is a great mistake.
(Just type in "stryker wheels vs tracks" and you can find a lot of debate for and against.)
But wheels or tracks, all is in agreement that 8 wheels might be good, but 4 wheels definitely not good. -
Talking about hauntings...I am previously from SG as well. I swear that this is a true account.It is between end of 2002 to mid of 2003,can't remember very well. There is this time where I was Guard 2IC in SG camp. 2 prowlers were prowling near the entrance of the old ATC place(its part of the prowling route),now i think belong to the SCE people.
They reported seeing a taxi turning into the old ATC complex and went in to check. That time is just after midnight. When they went in they can't find the taxi anywhere! If you guys can remember the only way in and out of old ATC from within the camp is only one gate. They immediately radio back to me in the guardroom and ask if any taxis came in. I thought they were fooling around as taxis are never allowed to enter the camp unless they belonged to reservists. At that time there was no ICT at all and certainly no taxis will be allowed to come into a camp at this time.
I waked up the Duty driver and i went to check for myself.leaving the Guard 3(supposed to man the gate) to man the guardroom.GuardComm sleeping at that time. I went with them around the same place with the driver and saw nothing. The prowlers are seriously white with fear. Now i am also a bit worried. I questioned them a few times and they told the same time again and again.I trusted them as i knew them personally and that they are reliable men.I radioed back the Guard 3 to double check if any taxi did enter or left the camp before and after i left and of course there was none. I immediately asked the Guard 3 to wake up the GuardComm. Basically what happened later is that he did more or less what I have done again.
We finally feel that this is serious enough to wake up the DO(2WO Singh from AHQ at that time), he did the exact same thing as what we have done before. The men were now very worried so they were ordered to cease prowling for a while.Later prowling resumed but with 4 prowlers per group and at every 4 hours instead of 2 men per group every 2hours now.The DO comforted the 2 prowlers, excused them from duty and brought them back to Guardroom. We were told by the DO not to spread this as not to cause unnecessary panic.I can still remember the look on the 2 prowlers faces now.
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Actually, SG camp 1 have three gates if I am not wrong, the main gate you have just mentioned, another gate near the old 38SCE HQ and lastly the rear gate for training troop to move out into the training area.
I heard stories when I was there but never experienced it myself, the most dirtiest place in ATC (in the 80s RATC) was actually certain floor in one the reservist bunk.
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Originally posted by sg1960:
After 30 years , V200 " troopers / comandos " is back in business
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Not refering to V200 vehicle itself.Originally posted by gary1910:They never did retire, just that they are not in CADs that's all.
Am refering to the role of armour support unit .
The same role as the orginal V200 troopers perform over 30 years ago - as a " rapid deployment " force .
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A bit of history regarding the V200 -
The V200s were designed to meet SG need for a “ Rapid deployment “# force back in the late 60s.
Original V200 family has following type of vehicles –
Anti-tank / fire support - with 90 mm Mercer cannon.
Anti- craft – 20 mm cannon.
Mortar Carrier with 120 mm mortar (forgotten which time frame – original batch or late 70s conversion )
Amour Recovery Vehicle
Command Vehicle
After that the RBS 70 SAM conversion in the middle 80s etc
BTW, V200 together with AMX 13 form the first amour brigade back in the 1970?
The above is according to memory and it is long time ago
# - in local SG / MY context .
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Thats right, the M113 is only introduced later due to the unsastifactory cross contry performance of the V200. The V200 is also prone to overturning as they are quite high,so they largely stick to flat roads now such as in FDS in airbases.
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Some batches of the V200 were upgraded for the armoured support units (ASU) from the 2PDF few years back.Originally posted by tvdog:The V-200 will not be upgraded in my opinion. It will be used until they cannot move anymore or until they know what to replace it with. Right now they are just being used as an anti-aircraft platform and easy troop carrying duties. You won't see them tackling rough terrain etc as it is a well-known risk.
The role is to support the 32 SIB which is made up 3 SIRs units of the old Guards. Now not very sure liao.. cause I was posted out from ASU two years back... Heard that some of the SIR units are also reaching the end of their ICT cycle..
Those V200 got new turbo diesel engine, automatic transmission, new braking system and electrical powered turret system. -
All along , 2PDF have some V-200s, it is only recently that they are upgraded.Originally posted by Paladin:Some batches of the V200 were upgraded for the armoured support units (ASU) from the 2PDF few years back.
The role is to support the 32 SIB which is made up 3 SIRs units of the old Guards. Now not very sure liao.. cause I was posted out from ASU two years back... Heard that some of the SIR units are also reaching the end of their ICT cycle..
Those V200 got new turbo diesel engine, automatic transmission, new braking system and electrical powered turret system.
Some of the V-200s are in the air force for SAM & FDS, the rest are in 2 PDF's ASU.
PDF are the one always the hand me down equipment from frontline CADs .
I heard once that they might even wanted to channel some old arty units to PDF but did not proceed.
Anyway , PDF is our last line of defence, so if neccessary,all old stockpile reserve will be pull out and some ROD units/ NS men below 40 will be recalled if there is a need. -
32 SIB is a Guards brigade with 3 Guards battalions not infantry unit. Now reached end of ICT cycle, so ROD. I was from there.Originally posted by Paladin:Some batches of the V200 were upgraded for the armoured support units (ASU) from the 2PDF few years back.
The role is to support the 32 SIB which is made up 3 SIRs units of the old Guards. Now not very sure liao.. cause I was posted out from ASU two years back... Heard that some of the SIR units are also reaching the end of their ICT cycle..
Those V200 got new turbo diesel engine, automatic transmission, new braking system and electrical powered turret system.
You ex-ASU/32SIB too? Thanks for the lift - no need to walk too much with vehicles.