Double standards of treatment affect morale
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Having gone through BMT,I've had a few experiences,and one of them is the double standard in treatment among the companies.There are 2 types of coys,the 'scholar and white horse' coys and the others.
In my batch,the 59th Leadership BMT batch as well as the first batch serving 2 year NS,Hawk coy received the best treatment among all the coys,due to the Defence Ministers son Teo Chee Hean being inside the coy as well as it being filled with scholars.
I was in Charlie(Cougar) coy for my BMT,and we had an MPs son inside our coy,but he was treated no differently from the rest.Evidently,some white horses are whiter than others.
While I may have no direct evidence,there was certainly enough anecdotal evidence as well as witnesses to the treatment Hawk coy received.I along with several Charlie coy recruits were attached to Hawk coy for our range,and the standard of treatment meted out to them was considered quite good.They had access to television on the 1st day of their range and were able to watch movies throughout the 2nd day of their range.
Similarly,for the 24 km graduation march,their coy packed newspapers into their field packs instead of standard items.However,the SSM of BMTC 1,the 2IC of the School told them to repack it with standard items,which they did,resulting in them delaying the other 4 coys going for the march(Charlie,Foxtrot,Bronco,Jaguar) for up to an hour.
Them being offered a standard of welfare far in excess of other coys is systematically unfair to all others,and was something that was accepted with resignation,but is something I wish to highlight for general knowledge of this community.
This sort of double standard certainly affects our morale and should be changed.While the OC and CSM often determine what standard of welfare the coy gets,there should be general welfare rules or guidelines that CSMs and OCs should abide by governing the standard of welfare given to their trainees. -
We've seen that too many times in our past army days..Nothing new about it.Guess somethings are hard to change..Originally posted by Sardaukar:Having gone through BMT,I've had a few experiences,and one of them is the double standard in treatment among the companies.There are 2 types of coys,the 'scholar and white horse' coys and the others.
In my batch,the 59th Leadership BMT batch as well as the first batch serving 2 year NS,Hawk coy received the best treatment among all the coys,due to the Defence Ministers son Teo Chee Hean being inside the coy as well as it being filled with scholars.
I was in Charlie(Cougar) coy for my BMT,and we had an MPs son inside our coy,but he was treated no differently from the rest.Evidently,some white horses are whiter than others.
While I may have no direct evidence,there was certainly enough anecdotal evidence as well as witnesses to the treatment Hawk coy received.I along with several Charlie coy recruits were attached to Hawk coy for our range,and the standard of treatment meted out to them was considered quite good.They had access to television on the 1st day of their range and were able to watch movies throughout the 2nd day of their range.
Similarly,for the 24 km graduation march,their coy packed newspapers into their field packs instead of standard items.However,the SSM of BMTC 1,the 2IC of the School told them to repack it with standard items,which they did,resulting in them delaying the other 4 coys going for the march(Charlie,Foxtrot,Bronco,Jaguar) for up to an hour.
Them being offered a standard of welfare far in excess of other coys is systematically unfair to all others,and was something that was accepted with resignation,but is something I wish to highlight for general knowledge of this community.
This sort of double standard certainly affects our morale and should be changed.While the OC and CSM often determine what standard of welfare the coy gets,there should be general welfare rules or guidelines that CSMs and OCs should abide by governing the standard of welfare given to their trainees.
To me, just serve your best and f*ck off from the SAF.No one will value you for the things you highlight beyond your scope.
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We've seen that too many times in our past army days..Nothing new about it.Guess somethings are hard to change..Originally posted by Sardaukar:Having gone through BMT,I've had a few experiences,and one of them is the double standard in treatment among the companies.There are 2 types of coys,the 'scholar and white horse' coys and the others.
In my batch,the 59th Leadership BMT batch as well as the first batch serving 2 year NS,Hawk coy received the best treatment among all the coys,due to the Defence Ministers son Teo Chee Hean being inside the coy as well as it being filled with scholars.
I was in Charlie(Cougar) coy for my BMT,and we had an MPs son inside our coy,but he was treated no differently from the rest.Evidently,some white horses are whiter than others.
While I may have no direct evidence,there was certainly enough anecdotal evidence as well as witnesses to the treatment Hawk coy received.I along with several Charlie coy recruits were attached to Hawk coy for our range,and the standard of treatment meted out to them was considered quite good.They had access to television on the 1st day of their range and were able to watch movies throughout the 2nd day of their range.
Similarly,for the 24 km graduation march,their coy packed newspapers into their field packs instead of standard items.However,the SSM of BMTC 1,the 2IC of the School told them to repack it with standard items,which they did,resulting in them delaying the other 4 coys going for the march(Charlie,Foxtrot,Bronco,Jaguar) for up to an hour.
Them being offered a standard of welfare far in excess of other coys is systematically unfair to all others,and was something that was accepted with resignation,but is something I wish to highlight for general knowledge of this community.
This sort of double standard certainly affects our morale and should be changed.While the OC and CSM often determine what standard of welfare the coy gets,there should be general welfare rules or guidelines that CSMs and OCs should abide by governing the standard of welfare given to their trainees.
To me, just serve your best and f*ck off from the SAF.No one will value you for the things you highlight beyond your scope. -
I remember back in 2000, the son of a government minister (was it Yeo Cheow Tong?) was among the scholars of Scorpion Coy. A friend of mine who was in the same intake remarked that Scorpion could form a "third school" of BMTC.
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Dude, welcome to the SAF.
SAF = unfair
If SAF = fair , we dun have white horse situation liao. your double standards no more.
If SAF = fair, all the chow keng ppl will kena a lifetime of extras liao
If SAF = fair, we have all our weekends to ourselves liao, weekend burn is going to be a myth
If SAF = fair, we dun have sai gang liao
If SAF = fair, all our officers are comptent and all our men will look up to them. Sadly this is not the case.
If SAF= fair, need I say more.....
Life, like the SAF will going to be unfair, unjust, inequally treatment is going to happen, it is how we make the best out of the siutation that counts.
Close one eye and enjoy your service. (*ahem enjoy) -
In wartime , those white horses will be the last to die, hiding in a bunker..
we peasants fight it out for them..
Nah, im not going to be stupid to fight for them during wartime .. -
How to survive in SAF
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Life is not fair
If it was fair, we'd all be in a communist country. -
wtf pack newspaper in fullback ?
are they given toy rifle as well ? -
double treatment is when the stupid 3bar decides that after half a day of ATEC that he is tired and wants to go home, so he also tells everyone else that they can go home, but 1 week later when the WO asks why was everyone allowed to leave early he says it was a miscommunication and now everyone has half a day's leave gone.
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Life is always unfair! Not only singapore do that! Other countries too.G.W.Bush serve in National guard air force instead of frontline in Vietnam like Kerry because his father is a congress member at that time! A rich or influential person always has some advantage in this world.
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Btw can anyone explain the military system of USA in general please,in particular National Guard and Frontline units. Thanks
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My A level friend was right. Ppl like you are calculative. Its the ITE grads who value brotherhood more than their life. These are the ppl who would die for their friends unlike you. I think I better be wary of ppl like you in the army.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:In wartime , those white horses will be the last to die, hiding in a bunker..
we peasants fight it out for them..
Nah, im not going to be stupid to fight for them during wartime ..
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you never even serve ns yet.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:In wartime , those white horses will be the last to die, hiding in a bunker..
we peasants fight it out for them..
Nah, im not going to be stupid to fight for them during wartime ..
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Aiyo! He is talking abt not stupid to fight for those white horse MP.Those whitehorse barking at us to chiong while they slip away at the back and run off like coward!Originally posted by shade343:
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Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:
In wartime , those white horses will be the last to die, hiding in a bunker..
we peasants fight it out for them..
Nah, im not going to be stupid to fight for them during wartime ..
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------My A level friend was right. Ppl like you are calculative. Its the ITE grads who value brotherhood more than their life. These are the ppl who would die for their friends unlike you. I think I better be wary of ppl like you in the army. -
Hmm.. like a joke I heard last time. There are 2 type of officer. The one that is willing to risk his life for his country and the one that is willing to risk your life for his country.Originally posted by zenden9:Aiyo! He is talking abt not stupid to fight for those white horse MP.Those whitehorse barking at us to chiong while they slip away at the back and run off like coward! -
That's why the army lives on non-cons.
Granted, many commissioned officers are great, but frankly, you can run an army without commissioned officers but not without non-cons. Ever seen a white horse with military ambitions become a non-con? -
Then I for one wouln't want you in my platoon or in my company for that matter when a war breaks out.You can go and fuck off and hide in a hole while your comrades die to save your worthless hide,because they value honour and the bonds of friendship they have with those in their unit.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:In wartime , those white horses will be the last to die, hiding in a bunker..
we peasants fight it out for them..
Nah, im not going to be stupid to fight for them during wartime ..
When you serve in the SAF,you aren't fighting for those asses.You're fighting to keep your family and friends safe,risking your own life to save others you don't know.I view my NS as contributing to the overall peace and security my family enjoys,and any suffering and lack of freedom endured for the sake of friends and family is something that should be honoured or at least given a minimum of respect.
During wartime,I don't need a liability like you fighting by my side.Serve part of your NS first then ask yourself whether or not there are some tangible and intangible things worth fighting for,like the safety of your platoonmates.You need not necessarily have to serve with the defence of people whom you consider worthless in your mind. -
please write to the papers.
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You are wrong. The people we are actually protecting are the fat-ass foreign talent and whitehorse MPs' children. Our lives (& that of our family) are worthless. We made the sacrifices, but had the government actually shown us any recognition? Heck, they'd even side against us in event of industrial disputes. Remember the Alpa-S case? The pilots who do their reservist duties are thrown to the dogs. What's the point of fighting for our country when the test comes if it turns a blind eye to our contributions during peacetime?Originally posted by Sardaukar:When you serve in the SAF,you aren't fighting for those asses.You're fighting to keep your family and friends safe,risking your own life to save others you don't know.I view my NS as contributing to the overall peace and security my family enjoys,and any suffering and lack of freedom endured for the sake of friends and family is something that should be honoured or at least given a minimum of respect.
During wartime,I don't need a liability like you fighting by my side.Serve part of your NS first then ask yourself whether or not there are some tangible and intangible things worth fighting for,like the safety of your platoonmates.You need not necessarily have to serve with the defence of people whom you consider worthless in your mind.
If you can help it, leave this hellhole at the earliest opportunity. Don't let your future generations get caught in the vicious cycle. -
Actually not TCH fault lah, if you are the OC , PC ,CSm you dare to tekan his son and risk breaking your ricebox and with the commandos incident still fresh on everyone mind... In the first place it was never SAF doctrine to tekan recruit ........its all teh overzealous SGT , PC who inherit the tradition from dunno who... Put it this way 13 years ago , I was enlisted in Army and my Pal enlisted in police Force. His treatment was similar to TCH sons or even better no night trg for him, even as a recruit he get to go to the mess and eat tibit and watch and he is not even a WH.. My big size pal has the phsyque of a Commandos yet posted to SPF and enjoy his NS ... I am frail, weak and thin yet got posted to a shiong combat unit and suffered there.. Life is never fair sometime we are just at the wrong place at the wrong time. Lucky or unlucky
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I think most people would fight for their friends and family.SMAP was trying to say this point by using the example of not being willing to die for the whitehorses to illustrate.Originally posted by Sardaukar:Then I for one wouln't want you in my platoon or in my company for that matter when a war breaks out.You can go and fuck off and hide in a hole while your comrades die to save your worthless hide,because they value honour and the bonds of friendship they have with those in their unit.
When you serve in the SAF,you aren't fighting for those asses.You're fighting to keep your family and friends safe,risking your own life to save others you don't know.I view my NS as contributing to the overall peace and security my family enjoys,and any suffering and lack of freedom endured for the sake of friends and family is something that should be honoured or at least given a minimum of respect.
During wartime,I don't need a liability like you fighting by my side.Serve part of your NS first then ask yourself whether or not there are some tangible and intangible things worth fighting for,like the safety of your platoonmates.You need not necessarily have to serve with the defence of people whom you consider worthless in your mind.
In the end, its about your loved ones and the pal beside you as the bullets impact all around you.NS's system sucks, but it taught us that if we can't defend what we love, then we are as good as dead.However, many other things in the world can teach us the same thing, in fact it's innate. -
People, i believe you all have misunderstood me, what i mean is that , i wouldn't protect any of the white horses , but i would gladly protect my peasant friends...Originally posted by Sardaukar:Then I for one wouln't want you in my platoon or in my company for that matter when a war breaks out.You can go and fuck off and hide in a hole while your comrades die to save your worthless hide,because they value honour and the bonds of friendship they have with those in their unit.
When you serve in the SAF,you aren't fighting for those asses.You're fighting to keep your family and friends safe,risking your own life to save others you don't know.I view my NS as contributing to the overall peace and security my family enjoys,and any suffering and lack of freedom endured for the sake of friends and family is something that should be honoured or at least given a minimum of respect.
During wartime,I don't need a liability like you fighting by my side.Serve part of your NS first then ask yourself whether or not there are some tangible and intangible things worth fighting for,like the safety of your platoonmates.You need not necessarily have to serve with the defence of people whom you consider worthless in your mind. -
What have the white horses (sons of MPs and ministers) done for singapore?
Practically nothing , other then taking up space inside the army , and adding numbers to the statistics..
We will definitely be seeing more desertions during wartime
Why ? Their lifes are worth more then us , the fact that the MIW revealed this "white horse" policy, not long ago, and ONLY after it has been discontinued means only one thing , they show discrimination..
If we're fated to fight it out, there's no way to escape at all , its also a matter of time ..
What have we fought for?
Regardless of Race , Language or Religion ?
Add 1 more thing to it...Regardless of Race,Language or Religion, Society status
I will die with honour...upon saying this pledge..
Not for $350/month, not for getting tekaned , not for fun..
not for enjoyment... But to see those SPG enjoying their time with ang mohs..
we eat up leftover food like vietnamese and china women..
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sorry