Chinese PLA army copy of US Humvee *Interesting pic*
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Dongfeng EQ2050 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle in desert test
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The report: "excellent performance.." of the Humvee.....
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don't think so it's a copy,I heard AM general the maker of humvee is authorised to make sales to the chinese government.
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Wrong! They sell some parts of humvee to improve the Chinese version but nvr authorise. AMG can't do anything abt it but just claim that the counterpart is not as good as theirs,this is yet tobe comfirm.BTW,they r 2 Chinese version of humvee.Originally posted by KumSioJui:don't think so it's a copy,I heard AM general the maker of humvee is authorised to make sales to the chinese government. -
Wrong ah? ok lor u win ah ... they will make you a 4 * general issit? Also liddatOriginally posted by zenden9:Wrong! They sell some parts of humvee to improve the Chinese version but nvr authorise. AMG can't be anything abt it but just claim that the counterpart is not as good as theirs,this is yet tobe comfirm.BTW,they r 2 Chinese version of humvee.
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It's not exactly hard to copy the whole vehicle......especially for a government hah
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I could help but have a good laugh... The PLA probably got these hummers at half the price of what the US Army paid. Chances of US army buying from China in the near future?
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haha,It will not happen.But it got a good chances of taking over old market like Thailand and Mexico which operates Humvee and potential countries wanted to operate the Humvee!Originally posted by Shotgun:I could help but have a good laugh... The PLA probably got these hummers at half the price of what the US Army paid. Chances of US army buying from China in the near future? -
my guess was tat if there is any war betweem US and China, US army will have a real problem dealing with "friendly fire"
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No kidding.... I think Singapore can consider buying some of these cheap chinese humvees.
No wait, i still like those airconed hyundai land rovers... muahahah. -
China PLA is going all out to look just like a western army.
It didn't start with the Humvee nor did it stop there.
Their new camo uniform look western. Their helmet look western. Insteade of canvas shoes they now wear leather boots.
From a distance you can't tell them apart from the Taiwanese, South Koreans, Singapore or any other pro-western armed forces.
Look at these pics. What's going on? In some they are dressed as US troops and armed with M4 - probably to act as enemy force?
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Yikes, don't screw with PLA man...
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So what if they got Hum Vee? Only aids in protecting China..
the real threat should come from china aircraft carrier and amphibious craft -
okay, here we go:
picture 3 is a real us army soldier [ive seen it before as part of something else]
picture 4 is an airsofter [if it wasnt for the calico pirate patch and the colour of the holster, that could be me in my gear..]
hehehe
otherwise, yeah the chinese have been spotted wearing us-looking equipment for a couple of years now - not new but certainly worrying, and yes, most likely from a freindly-fire point of view..
the chinese always seem to be out of date though - eg. the choc-chip style desert camo was long dropped [but some older allies still wear this style of camo] and they havent copied the recent digital camo patterns [yet!]
they may well be lacking in some areas like IR treatment and certain aspects that are put into the fabrics and design, but at first sight, youd be forgiven for thinking that youre looking at an allied soldier ..
in terms of the humvee, maybe the chinese should look at producing 'up-armoured' versions that can withstand standard small arms fire, unlike the current us versions - maybe even the current soldiers serving in iraq may buy them then..
as for copying anything, i know alot of us manufacturers are exceedingly unhappy with the whole of asia, which they see as just copying all their gear wholesale anyway, and selling off to people like airsofters or people who are too stupid to tell the difference between local manufactured copies and genuine us-made gear.
in this respect, all the digital cammos have been copied and are on sale in SEA, most fo the special forces gear, if not all, is now available, under different names of course [FSBE became MOD1/2 armour] and so on.
of course the market is getting really mixed up now as some HK shop shave taken to buying real steel parts fomr the us and selling them at inflated prices as 'local copies'. this usually gets those who arent in the know as they think theyre buying cheap replicas when in fact theyre buying real gear for inflated prices, posing as cheap replica gear..
messy.. so you can see why the us is very picky about its export restrictions licences.. -
The problem is that operational experience in iraq has shown that Humvees are not the way to go. For one thing they offer no protection at all to the soldiers inside. Welding steel plates onto the humvees have helped somewhat, but one of the effects of doing so is to make the humvee very difficult to control. Further sandbagging is not an option because the humvee is not large enough.Originally posted by zoik:in terms of the humvee, maybe the chinese should look at producing 'up-armoured' versions that can withstand standard small arms fire, unlike the current us versions - maybe even the current soldiers serving in iraq may buy them then..
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Simply put, the humvee is not the way to go. -
I am very aware of this - ive been inside op humvee's and theyre quite frankly terrible and the reports i read every so often keep reinforcing the fact that the humvee isnt being used in its intended role, or is being used beyond its role.Originally posted by lwflee:The problem is that operational experience in iraq has shown that Humvees are not the way to go. For one thing they offer no protection at all to the soldiers inside. Welding steel plates onto the humvees have helped somewhat, but one of the effects of doing so is to make the humvee very difficult to control. Further sandbagging is not an option because the humvee is not large enough.
Simply put, the humvee is not the way to go.
I've heard so many calls for the use of [modified standard] Gavins instead [M113's to you] which have been shown to give better protection than even up-armoured humvees.
Even the recently deployed Strykers have been coming under criticism for not being upto the job that the us forces in iraq are using them for.
Trouble is, very few people that count listen to the man on the ground.. -
The Humvee is merely a jeep, not an AFV. So if you armour a jeep, it does not make the jeep an armoured fighting vehicle.
You can use it as a fast attack or recce vehicle but to try and rely on it for armour protection seems suicidal.
Up till now I have only seen pics of the Dongfeng Humvee used as a softskin vehicle like we use our Landrovers. Haven't yet seen it used in a combat role.
I have found pictures of several other types of open-topped vehicles the PLA use in combat roles. One type with a low-slung chassis looks like our SAF fast attack vehicle (which looks like a beach buggy).
Another one looks like a open-topped landrover where they mounted HMGs and anti-tank missiles etc.
The British have armoured versions of their Landrovers but they only use it in very limited internal-security capacity like patrolling the streets of Dublin where the chance of encountering anything bigger than a 7.62mm weapon is very remote. -
Makes sense. Though Pic 3 is from a Chinese website and the file name of that pic is plaspforce.jpg, there is nothing to prove that the chap is from the PLA.Originally posted by zoik:okay, here we go:
picture 3 is a real us army soldier [ive seen it before as part of something else]
picture 4 is an airsofter [if it wasnt for the calico pirate patch and the colour of the holster, that could be me in my gear..]
But in this other pic there is no question as the fellow is clearly pointing a M4/M16 type of weapon with a silencer even... And they have all the PLA insignias on their uniform.
Don't their camo pattern look suspiciously like SAF pattern or is it coincidence? -
ROFL!!! Dublin!?!??!Originally posted by tvdog:The Humvee is merely a jeep, not an AFV. So if you armour a jeep, it does not make the jeep an armoured fighting vehicle.
You can use it as a fast attack or recce vehicle but to try and rely on it for armour protection seems suicidal.
Up till now I have only seen pics of the Dongfeng Humvee used as a softskin vehicle like we use our Landrovers. Haven't yet seen it used in a combat role.
I have found pictures of several other types of open-topped vehicles the PLA use in combat roles. One type with a low-slung chassis looks like our SAF fast attack vehicle (which looks like a beach buggy).
Another one looks like a open-topped landrover where they mounted HMGs and anti-tank missiles etc.
The British have armoured versions of their Landrovers but they only use it in very limited internal-security capacity like patrolling the streets of Dublin where the chance of encountering anything bigger than a 7.62mm weapon is very remote.
I believe you mean Belfast... LOL Dublin's okay - more of a student population [many mainland Chinese are to be found here..]
Times have changed, and the Landies used are mostly Riot landies.
The British used to use the Wolf [Landy], but due to a European pollution directive theyve been forced to use other types.
I agree the humvee is nothing more than a jeep - trouble is that they are using it in a role for which an AFV should be used, and thats where the call for the re-introduction of the Gavin comes in.
The lights are on but no-ones in..But in this other pic there is no question as the fellow is clearly pointing a M4/M16 type of weapon with a silencer even... And they have all the PLA insignias on their uniform.
It might just be the photo picture quality [which can obviously vary greatly] but i thought it was more US Woodland camo pattern, copies of which ive seen before in PLA use.
Don't their camo pattern look suspiciously like SAF pattern or is it coincidence?
With them using an Armalite-deriative weapon, this raises lots of questions..
particularly as to how any Aliied force engaged against the PLA would be able to work out who is who, disregarding the insignia.
The big issue was that previously, you could work out who was the OpFor and who was friendly simply by weapon sight and sound recognition [okay, this is less of an issue now with so many Allied forces using AK variants etc] but this means that on simple sight [say, silhouetted] you would be hard pressed to work out if they are US or otherwise.. -
When I lived in HK there was this Irish pub below called the Dublin Jacks... haha. Thanks for the correction, I do mean Belfast.
The PLA do not use M4/M16 derivatives in any great numbers. The pic I posted was the only one I can find of soldiers whom are clearly PLA but armed with (as you would call it) Armalites.
They are probably the PLA's OpFor or they are SpecOps training to use the enemy's weaponry.
I live in Shanghai and I have seen a few examples of Chinese-made camo that is the choice work clothes for all construction workers.
And this same one is the ones worn by many PLA units. They don't look like SAF camo and especially not the US woodland pattern. Furthermore US uniform is made of this tear-proof material that has a kind of... criss-cross pattern.
But the one pictured does look like SAF camo pattern. Even the colour matches.