AMX-13
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hello friend. Even b4 my friend told me what he saw inside S.G camp, I went there last year and already saw it. Damn huge!Originally posted by LazerLordz:It's unsubstantiated rumours and any truth will never be confirmed. -
Whether or not we have Centurion should no longer need debate. We've had them for more than 20 years. I know people who have been Centurion crews. But nothing more they will tell me cos back then still hush hush.
These same people also received armour training in Israel.
One training involved them sitting inside a condemned tank (don't know which type) and then another tank would fire a dummy round at them. This is to let them experience what being hit is like.
Although it was just a dummy round, he said they were giddy and some even threw up from the concussion. -
Think we'll see the sm1 rolling down city hall again this NDP? The thought of seeing the amx-13 in the year 2005 (in this day and age) at the padang makes me wanna weep
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How abt they tow the SkyHawk on the road and let us see it for the last time?Originally posted by IAF:Think we'll see the sm1 rolling down city hall again this NDP? The thought of seeing the amx-13 in the year 2005 at the padang makes me wanna weep 
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Yes they should have a parade with the AMX-13 and the Skyhawks.Both have served us well for the past decades.What a good way to let all of us see it before they are phased out.And let us have a Longbow flypast.
Who wants to place bets that we might unveil our NGF on National Day? -
Yes they should have a parade with the AMX-13 and the Skyhawks.Both have served us well for the past decades.What a good way to let all of us see it before they are phased out.And let us have a Longbow flypast.
Who wants to place bets that we might unveil our NGF on National Day? -
Thought according to mindef, the results will be out by 2nd Q... ?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yes they should have a parade with the AMX-13 and the Skyhawks.Both have served us well for the past decades.What a good way to let all of us see it before they are phased out.And let us have a Longbow flypast.
Who wants to place bets that we might unveil our NGF on National Day?
Anyway, it's good to show up surprises like the way the amx-13 debuted in the 60s... With all due respect to the tank, i really think its way too old to take pride of place in the column, esp when our neighbours can field more powerful and modern tanks -
but ho compared the training ahh.. when in camp.. always compared here and there,, we look at troopers after cleaning the weapons they can sleep liao, whereas for tankees ard 12 people have to wash vechicles and send in abt 8 pairs of coxials, 12 pairs of carbines. Good thing is that we are always in vehicle no need to walk unlike troopers..
But true ah,, this is a f***** up tank.. tell you a secret ah.. if you tighten up the track tension too much and chiong at the area full of big stones. it will throw track. good if one side only bad is both sides. then enemy will attack you... nevertheless,, i must say that the tankees are elite force in armour formation -
are they going to parade the sm1 amx13 tanks this year.. if yes, i am going down to fullerton stationed there to take photographs liao... proud to be one of themOriginally posted by IAF:Think we'll see the sm1 rolling down city hall again this NDP? The thought of seeing the amx-13 in the year 2005 (in this day and age) at the padang makes me wanna weep -
Yeah 2nd quarter.Just in time for National DayOriginally posted by IAF:Thought according to mindef, the results will be out by 2nd Q... ?
Anyway, it's good to show up surprises like the way the amx-13 debuted in the 60s... With all due respect to the tank, i really think its way too old to take pride of place in the column, esp when our neighbours can field more powerful and modern tanks
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If they have moved out of their original location, that mean they are more or less declassified.Originally posted by Manager433:hello friend. Even b4 my friend told me what he saw inside S.G camp, I went there last year and already saw it. Damn huge!
Someone here did say that he Tempest have been put into reserve, if they are indeed in SG camp, then they most possibly are in reserved.
So new MBTs!!!!
Must be even deadlier!!!
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New ones?Oh man..this gets interesting...Originally posted by gary1910:If they have moved out of their original location, that mean they are more or less declassified.
Someone here did say that he Tempest have been put into reserve, if they are indeed in SG camp, then they most possibly are in reserved.
So new MBTs!!!!
Must be even deadlier!!! 
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Someone here quite sometime ago did say that the Tempest has been put intoOriginally posted by LazerLordz:New ones?Oh man..this gets interesting...
reserved & only manned by reservist units and something new has replaced them.
The Tempests in the 80s are not in SG camp but somewhere else.
Anyway, if someone seen them in SG camp, it mean they r more or less declassified becos in the 80s, you will not see them in public & not even in open area , they were heavily guarded.
So whether there is any new MBT in SAF , I have no idea.
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The 'Centurions' which Manager433 have seen in SG camp is most likely the CET version of the M60 MBT used by the SCE. As far as i know the only tanks in SG camp close to be called MBTs are exhibits in the Armour Heritage Centre. It is highly unlikely for the Centurions to be moved there unless operational replacements are there to take their original place in storage. Despite their age and at least 20 years of existence in Singapore, the Centurions are officially still classified vehicles and their existence cannot be confirmed.
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I would agree too.Originally posted by tankee1981:The 'Centurions' which Manager433 have seen in SG camp is most likely the CET version of the M60 MBT used by the SCE. As far as i know the only tanks in SG camp close to be called MBTs are exhibits in the Armour Heritage Centre. Despite their age the Tempests are still classified vehicles and their existence cannot be confirmed.
It would be nice to see a LeClerc MBT in SG.We should get one of those.. -
Should be CEV, Combat Engineer Vehicle, not CET Combat Engineer Tractor, they are two different vehicles.Originally posted by tankee1981:The 'Centurions' which Manager433 have seen in SG camp is most likely the CET version of the M60 MBT used by the SCE. As far as i know the only tanks in SG camp close to be called MBTs are exhibits in the Armour Heritage Centre. It is highly unlikely for the Centurions to be moved there unless operational replacements are there to take their original place in storage. Despite their age and at least 20 years of existence in Singapore, the Centurions are officially still classified vehicles and their existence cannot be confirmed. -
i thought east-bloc tank design is pretty good. they're normally half the weight of their western counterpart, design for smaller-built tank crew and with or without auto loader (somebody correct me if i'm wrong).Originally posted by LazerLordz:I would agree too.
It would be nice to see a LeClerc MBT in SG.We should get one of those..
east bloc tanks supposedly drive like race cars (from israeli's AFR after Yom Kippur). aside from their width, maybe QC problems and spares, they are a pretty decent choice.
however, since our Armour formation is more mechanized infantry (with attendant close/direct fire support for tanks) than armour, an armour fist approach might not gel with current doctrine. -
We are arguing on whether amx-13 is still a good tanks.
Why must some folks kept insisting that we totally go on MBT and throw amx-13 light tanks out totally.
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Talk about construction site, you think a bull dozer just go in like that !!! all construction is prepared one, if not why loads and loads of stone and sands by lorries is send to each site. You think construction uncle so stupid like you soft ground also dive in without preparing it.Originally posted by tvdog:Storywolf do you really know what you are talking about? Or as usual do you just repeat like a trained parrot about the ground condition here being different but in what way EXACTLY?
In your empty head are you doing your own analysis or do you just argue for the sake of arguing?
What is so unique about the terrain in this region? What?
You mean there is no mud in Europe or other parts of the world? You mean it doesn't rain in Europe. It rains heavily even in the desert.
Why do you think they invented tanks IN THE FIRST PLACE? It is to counter the muddy condition of the shell cratered battlefield.
C'mon, stop talking co.ck. If our terrain is so bad then all our bulldozers at construction sites would have bogged down.
Just because the AMX-13 is small does mean it is better at traversing soft grounds than a bigger tank. Wide tracks would solve that problem. And on a larger tank, you can have wider tracks to distribute the ground pressure you dumbfcuk.
Next time you want to have a sensible discussion don't begin with a pointed statement directed at me.
You are one of those idiots who state no opinions of your own but wait for someone to make one and then swoop in with personal attacks.
You dumbfuck even tracked, the weight can be distributed, not no weight, even distributed the weight is only discounted only, but still heavy enough to sink in the ground.
I am from the combat engineer, I did all sort of vehicle recovery before in all exercise area, therefore I know, even your so call fucking bulldozer I also recover before as I sure you never even seen a 1/2 sink bulldozer.
Just because amx-13 is small, light armour, 75mm canon, does not mean it is no use !!! Why must put it that we should have only MBT and throw away the light tanks. Why cannot we have both MBT & light tanks which is what we needed.
The terrain around does call for both, with urban MBT will surive better, with remote more jungle terrain light tanks will survive better.
What make the MBTs better then Light tanks like amx-13 is better power, heavy armour, better weapon, but then turn around, these are the weakness also that also make it worst then a light tanks.
Light tanks, have less amour and weapon, but this make them move rapid deploy, like you can ship them on planes and ships which a MBT is too heavy and too big. Logistic like fuel is very important survival factor, while the MBT may survive better, but it run out of fuel also as fast. Light tanks does have advantage on this as they use totally less fuel.
It is all depend on how you use their strength and weakness. Basically my point is MBT and light tanks are equally as important as they cover each other weakness, just that you must deploy them to suit their nature. -
hmmm...wats the feasibility of a 2 man tank?....
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loading can automate, but driving, laying and/or commanding, how'd you do it?Originally posted by Rockhound:hmmm...wats the feasibility of a 2 man tank?.... -
Well it is totally feasibility of a 2 man tanks. The way technology goes, it may even be soon, or very skip a step further.Originally posted by Rockhound:hmmm...wats the feasibility of a 2 man tank?....
Have you even consider pushing the 2 man tank concept further. A totally manless light tank, that is man remotely by a remote driver and remote weapon specialist ( gunner for cannon, machine gun and missile) ? Possible will be a light tanks for recon . -
well...erm....Originally posted by fett:loading can automate, but driving, laying and/or commanding, how'd you do it?
1 driver....
1 gunner....
gunner would be the commandeR?...
i really dunno...was just thinking it up..wondering abt the possibility...
prolly both of them are trained to make crucial decisions?....
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Remember a apache helicopter also 2 person ( 1 acting as commander ). If a more complex attack heli can be 2 person, I am sure with more automation, tanks can also .Originally posted by Rockhound:well...erm....
1 driver....
1 gunner....
gunner would be the commandeR?...
i really dunno...was just thinking it up..wondering abt the possibility...
prolly both of them are trained to make crucial decisions?....
i'm stumped really...
Who knows , maybe one day some one may even say, if F16 can 1 person, why not a tank, that all depends on how much people is willing to push, why not games already have mechwarriors concept and if kids can control the mechwarriors to fight so good as one person. It just take more time and people to push the technology towards that. -
hmmm...Originally posted by storywolf:Remember a apache helicopter also 2 person ( 1 acting as commander ). If a more complex attack heli can be 2 person, I am sure with more automation, tanks can also .
dunno arh...this would be my dream tank
1.mbt gun
2.2 Crewmembers
3.autoloader
4.AMX13 kinda size..but since onli use 2 crewmembers...can beef up on armour....
well..i noe wat i said sounded stupid...hehehe
just a thought....