China mirage?!
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Has this info been confirm? heard a few of my friends telling me that...dunno confirm or not...they say it came from a french newspaper...cannot find it anywhere though...
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they lifted the arms ban?
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confirmed in zaobao.com
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good...stupid usa muz be hammering themselves for giving up this lucrative contracts -
oh well, the dragon just got stronger..now they can go fight with japan over who is the dominant power in asia..
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hmmm mirage 2000-9c guess taiwan will have to start buying eurofighters
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rough translation by google. you get the rough idea.
The European allied armies sells once lifts a ban
China will buy 210 law fighter aircrafts
(The Hong Kong news) has the news says, 欧盟 sells to the center national troops once lifts a ban, China will reach the rope company from France purchases 210 ghosts 2000-9CS 双座 multipurpose fighter aircraft, the total amount amounts to 12000000000 euros (25500000000 new Yuan).
" Fragrant Hong Kong business people reported " yesterday quote everywhere many websites make the above report.
The ghost 2000 fighter planes continuously are the important strengths which Taiwan defends, if the news is true, mainland China in the future the fighter plane quantity which will purchase with France not only is Taiwan's three times, the fighter plane performance is also more outstanding than Taiwan's ghost machine. The expert therefore 研判, this item of armed force buys the document once passes, inevitably will have the certain influence to the Taiwan sea situation.
The news public figure discloses, the Chinese and French fighter plane armed force buys the negotiations starts from 2004 year's end, mainly involves the price and the technical question. Center the side quoted price is 12000000000 euros, contains 1200 rice cards missile, as well as 180 emergency engines. As for the price which finally achieves, the outside is unknown. In addition, China also intends to from to reach the rope company purchases 20 Western ALF-3 multipurpose marine 巡逻机.
The report points out, according to comes from the French military's news, in June, 2005 will have 40 Chinese pilot receives training to France, the French government first will rent for China 10 ghosts 2000B trainer aircraft. First batch of 30 will be new machine pays the use to 2006 year's end, later will pay the time in turn is in 2007 60, in 2008 60, in 2009 60.
It is reported, ghost 2000-9CS is 双座 the monomotor multipurpose fighter plane, is the ghost 2000 newest editions, and made the improvement in view of China's request. The maximum total weight is 18000 kilograms, the engine is MP53-100, the thrust force 106000 cows, is biggest outside hangs is 6600 kilograms. Except for this, will reach the rope company in aspect and so on radar, engine, flight control system and compound material provides the technical aid for the center side.
The Taiwan existing ghost 2000-5Ei military aircraft, the speed and ghost 2000-9CS is same, but the range only has 3335 kilometers, the load-carrying capacity is 16500 kilograms.
Ghost 2000-9CS used one kind of unique 机腹 gallows, was allowed the pair of association to install the way hangs carries two 500 pound radium shoots the guided bomb, two auxiliary oil tanks, six air-to-air missiles. 机腹 the gallows also may hang carries outside the Arab League 帕奇 stealth defense area dusts the weapon.
The ghost 2000-9 is reaches the rope company develops in the illusory image 2000-5 foundation, maximum speed 2.2 Mach (speed amounts to 2300 kilometers), combat radius 740 kilometers, maximum range 3900 kilometers. The nose is loaded with one soup 姆 abdicates the -RDY radar, may simultaneously track eight goals, and simultaneously attacks four goals. The prototype flies in July, 2000.
According to " the Chinese air force " the magazine in last September reported, in February, 2004 the air force some flight experimented the training base rolls deputy chief of staff, one level of pilots Xu tin is good, goes to the Mediterranean Sea coast French Austria 朗 governs 115 air force bases, carried on to the ghost 2000 series five month-long of experience flights. The outside 研判, this perhaps the Chinese and French armed force buys the negotiations the start. -
Wha, 210 fighter planes for what purpose?
Somehow i feel that China will be a much stronger force when comparing to USA...at least we know what kind of super-power USA is like, but i don't know what kind of super power china will be like....
210 mirage jets...crazy...
ours in comparison is 20 NGF.. -
Even if USA supplies china with F-16 Blk 60/F15-E , they are bound to be "defective" and prone to "failure" ...Originally posted by bratpig:
good...stupid usa muz be hammering themselves for giving up this lucrative contracts
will be missing in some key spare parts...
USA won't sell advanced military stuffs to China..trust me
Im wondering why the Chinese didn't bought the Rafale.. -
A v simple answer! Rafale is more expensive than Mirage 2000C9 while only slightly capable than it.Since China is buying in bulk,money factor will be in the consideration.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Even if USA supplies china with F-16 Blk 60/F15-E , they are bound to be "defective" and prone to "failure" ...
will be missing in some key spare parts...
USA won't sell advanced military stuffs to China..trust me
Im wondering why the Chinese didn't bought the Rafale.. -
The reason why china is buying the Mirage 2000 is to "encourge" the european nations to remove the arms embargo.. this will open the flood gates to more advanced arms.
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Looking at how the Chinese are...it's a scary thoughtOriginally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Wha, 210 fighter planes for what purpose?
Somehow i feel that China will be a much stronger force when comparing to USA...at least we know what kind of super-power USA is like, but i don't know what kind of super power china will be like....
210 mirage jets...crazy...
ours in comparison is 20 NGF.. -
Is that alot? Seriously I don't know it's not my area.. Sounds scary though.
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well not alot compared to what us has. alot when you compare to what japan and taiwan has.Originally posted by palmerised:Is that alot? Seriously I don't know it's not my area.. Sounds scary though. -
Nothing to be scared, 'cos they are probably tryin to replace the older aircrafts they have. although they have n time more aircrafts than the taiwanese air force, but only those purchased or manufactured over the last decade (less than 100, i guess) are capable of matching those of the taiwanese.Originally posted by |-|05|:Looking at how the Chinese are...it's a scary thought
Btw, any experts here know if the mirage china intended to buy are able to launch from and land on aircraft carrier? Based on past reports, China is building their own carrier right? If can, then maybe some will be located on the carrier. -
If they build aircraft carrier, i think they got some serious agenda going on..Originally posted by wk77wk:Nothing to be scared, 'cos they are probably tryin to replace the older aircrafts they have. although they have n time more aircrafts than the taiwanese air force, but only those purchased or manufactured over the last decade (less than 100, i guess) are capable of matching those of the taiwanese.
Btw, any experts here know if the mirage china intended to buy are able to launch from and land on aircraft carrier? Based on past reports, China is building their own carrier right? If can, then maybe some will be located on the carrier. -
It's not the number.I was responding to the statement about a China superpower. I honestly think it would be worse then the USOriginally posted by wk77wk:Nothing to be scared, 'cos they are probably tryin to replace the older aircrafts they have. although they have n time more aircrafts than the taiwanese air force, but only those purchased or manufactured over the last decade (less than 100, i guess) are capable of matching those of the taiwanese.
Btw, any experts here know if the mirage china intended to buy are able to launch from and land on aircraft carrier? Based on past reports, China is building their own carrier right? If can, then maybe some will be located on the carrier. -
Taiwan has 60 mirages and 150 F16s. Total 210 combat aircraft. The china's order is meant as a "response". there is political reasons.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Wha, 210 fighter planes for what purpose?
Somehow i feel that China will be a much stronger force when comparing to USA...at least we know what kind of super-power USA is like, but i don't know what kind of super power china will be like....
210 mirage jets...crazy...
ours in comparison is 20 NGF..
FYI, the ROCAF also has some locally built figthers... not sure how many? -
I believe its the ching kuo fighter plane..Originally posted by spencer99:Taiwan has 60 mirages and 150 F16s. Total 210 combat aircraft. The china's order is meant as a "response". there is political reasons.
FYI, the ROCAF also has some locally built figthers... not sure how many?
Taiwan produced the Ching-kuo Indigenous Defense Fighter with extensive assistance by American corporations, led by General Dynamics. The project consisted of four sub-projects. They were the Ying-yang project (in cooperation with General Dynamics Corporation) which made the air-frame; the Yun-han project (in cooperation with Hughes Corporation), which designed the engine; the Tian-lei project (in cooperation with Westinghouse Company), which took care of the avionics system; and the Tian-chien project, which developed the weapons system.
The twin-engine IDF is similar to the F-16 except that it is slightly smaller and has a slightly shorter range. The IDF is a hybrid as far as its external appearance is concerned. The nose of the fighter jet is a replica of the F-20A Tigershark, while ts body, wings, and vertical tail surface are apparently lifted from the F-16, and the shape of its cockpit hood and vertical tail wing and its girth near the engine inlets have a notable French flavor.
The IDF is superior to the F-5E in airborne performance. The IDF accelerates better than the F-104 and its turning radius is smaller than that of the F-5. The aircraft, equipped with four Sidewinder missiles, but without spare fuel tanks, has a combat endurance of three minutes on afterburner and a combat radius of between 70 and 90 nautical miles. With a combat radius of 600 nautical miles while carrying out armed reconnaissance and patrol missions, the IDF is capable of conducting preemptive raids and strikes at airports along the Chinese coast. It is mainly used in combat for air control and is capable of using "Hsiung Feng"-II missiles to attack targets at sea. Most of the IDFs are expected to be armed with the indigenously-produced, BVR Tien Chien-II (Sky Sword-II) ARAAM.
But only has 130 of that fighter jet..
Seriously, Taiwan doesn't really have any real kick-ass moden & powerful jet .... -
Aircraft carrier? They already have 1 which australia sold to them which they use as training platform.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:If they build aircraft carrier, i think they got some serious agenda going on..
they are also building a few more at their Dalian shipyards, but reports in 2000 says at least 1 will be fully completed this year in 2005, high chance it is the varyvag which they bought the hull from russia.
satelite imagery below
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While the content of the translated article is pretty clear, I can't help laughing at the mis-translations!
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China could be a real superpower(sounds quite bad for sg). Considering the population of China and US, I believe china has more than double US's population.
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Around 4 times i presume.Originally posted by ah_kwang:China could be a real superpower(sounds quite bad for sg). Considering the population of China and US, I believe china has more than double US's population.
thank you very much!
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any other source of news?
can't find any online, except for 1 report. -
USA population is around 295 million and China's is 1.3 billion, not double, but double double, around 4.4 times!!!! are you scared?? sounds bad for sg????Originally posted by ah_kwang:China could be a real superpower(sounds quite bad for sg). Considering the population of China and US, I believe china has more than double US's population.