China mirage?!
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let's put things in perspective.
how many of that 1.3 billion are NOT living in rural villages, or knows what's a refridgerator? -
The real danger is the growing wage gap. There is a big gulf between the provinces of the coastal regions and those deeper in. Heck most provinces without a port are bloody poor compared to those with!Originally posted by nismoS132:let's put things in perspective.
how many of that 1.3 billion are NOT living in rural villages, or knows what's a refridgerator? -
tat isn't so bad...wat's worse is tat the US has a 4.4 million man army stationed AROUND THE WORLD while CHINA has a 100million man army stationed IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.....so if the population numbers are bad news...tis should be worst...Originally posted by sgdiehard:USA population is around 295 million and China's is 1.3 billion, not double, but double double, around 4.4 times!!!! are you scared?? sounds bad for sg????
btw just my POV don think China will do anything dumb and att Taiwan...
1)world opinion is now somewhat on their side..and an att will give the US and its allies an overwhelming propganda tool....
2)the taiwanese economy is too intermixed wif China's...so an att there will cut off much needed profits....
and lastly...China is virtually surrounded by allies of the US.... so if they do att....the US has the ability to project at least it's airpower in the first few hours of any att watsoever.... -
Or are they actually using it as a CASINO ship for training casino workers? As their government had not approved the presence and creation of Casino like us?? hahaOriginally posted by KumSioJui:Aircraft carrier? They already have 1 which australia sold to them which they use as training platform.
they are also building a few more at their Dalian shipyards, but reports in 2000 says at least 1 will be fully completed this year in 2005, high chance it is the varyvag which they bought the hull from russia.
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Its nothing new. MM Lee already said that China will become a superpower one day.Originally posted by ah_kwang:China could be a real superpower(sounds quite bad for sg). Considering the population of China and US, I believe china has more than double US's population.
Where have u been all these years?
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oops!! Imagine 10 years later... we log on to Sgforums, Military nuts. And everything appears in Chinese. Imagine our desktop... "my computer" would become "wo de dian nao"(in chinese). Worst still, our aircraft cockpit, radar systems, handphone, PDAs, TVs, MRT stations, everything in chinese. JIA LAT AH!!! Better brush up our chinese language!!!Originally posted by Paladin:Its nothing new. MM Lee already said that China will become a superpower one day.
Where have u been all these years?
Anyway, if China really overtake US, can singapore survive? considering or 'not so good' relations with China. -
This and several other posts seem to indicate that China is a potential enemy to Singapore.Originally posted by sgdiehard:USA population is around 295 million and China's is 1.3 billion, not double, but double double, around 4.4 times!!!! are you scared?? sounds bad for sg????
I am very very curious how you guys arrive at this conclusion?
First of all, Chinese govt and people greatly admire SG. The Chinese government in the early days happily sent their officials to SG to learn about what makes our little island tick. They continue to view us as a China-friendly nation.
Secondly, it is also forgetting that SG govt has shrewdly cultivated realtionship with the Chinese govt for DECADES. We were there to help them modernise their economy long before anyone else. Though in the end we lost a lot of money but this money has bought us very good favour in the eyes of Chinese government.
For all the perceived ideological difference, the fact that we are all Chinese was not lost to the PAP and they played this card well. So relax, China does not view us as an enemy despite us appearing so western-oriented.
The recent admonishing of PM BG Lee HL was because the Chinese government has yet to acknowledge LHL as a senior leader worhty of respect - unlike his old man LKY which Chinese government holds in very high regard. -
I would be wary of China rather than place our faith in her.There are no permanent friends, only permanent interests.
Being Chinese, I know that we can be very duplicitious.Same goes for the PRC. -
lagi worse, even haven't yet reached the status of a Super-power, China is acting as a bully now, threatening to Nuke US, Japan and Taiwan (if Japan or Taiwan possess nuclear weapon). Wah liao.... what is this?Originally posted by LazerLordz:I would be wary of China rather than place our faith in her.There are no permanent friends, only permanent interests.
Being Chinese, I know that we can be very duplicitious.Same goes for the PRC.
China is actually like the pre-WWII Japan and they have the face to criticise Japan for not apologising to China for the WW2 atrocities... double talk man....
Being a Chinese, I am very very afraid of a overly powerful PRC. I like Chinese to be strong throughout the world but definitely not under the Communist regime....
...and yes, I do think that if the mainlander really love Taiwan, they should set it free and let it choose the path, selfish forced possession is NOT love at all. -
Just look at the way they speak in MRT / using their mobile phone.
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China may never recover if it fights with the USA, it might lose more then what it had. China , after fighting Taiwan and USA , might experience another invasion by it's neighbours again....
Taiwan should have declared independence long ago , but then again , a war will stilll happen , cause they will also still have the intention to take it back. -
sorry
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Originally posted by Joe Black:
dude ure info is wrong.....china nuclear policy is that china will never nvr start to use its nuclear weapons first......only when other countries like US try to interfear with china's policy towards taiwan and attack china.....
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lagi worse, even haven't yet reached the status of a Super-power, China is acting as a bully now, threatening to Nuke US, Japan and Taiwan (if Japan or Taiwan possess nuclear weapon). Wah liao.... what is this?
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Well, I don't think it is alot if you divide that with the land area China has to defend. On a ratio basis, Singapore is crazier.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Wha, 210 fighter planes for what purpose?
Somehow i feel that China will be a much stronger force when comparing to USA...at least we know what kind of super-power USA is like, but i don't know what kind of super power china will be like....
210 mirage jets...crazy...
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Isn't the US a bigger bully? What would you do if your friends living on Palau Ubin decides to be independent from mainland Singapore? And your neighbors come in to encourage this separatism? Woudl you set Ubin inhabitants free because you love them and they are also Singaporeans previously?Originally posted by Joe Black:lagi worse, even haven't yet reached the status of a Super-power, China is acting as a bully now, threatening to Nuke US, Japan and Taiwan (if Japan or Taiwan possess nuclear weapon). Wah liao.... what is this?
China is actually like the pre-WWII Japan and they have the face to criticise Japan for not apologising to China for the WW2 atrocities... double talk man....
Being a Chinese, I am very very afraid of a overly powerful PRC. I like Chinese to be strong throughout the world but definitely not under the Communist regime....
...and yes, I do think that if the mainlander really love Taiwan, they should set it free and let it choose the path, selfish forced possession is NOT love at all.
I also belive that Japan shares a higher portion of the blame for existing bad r/s between China and Japan. Can't they just own up, apologise and move on like the Germans? -
You know, that was exactly the scenario I painted before I decided to erase it. That's why you see my last post was simply "sorry".Originally posted by golani_bde:Isn't the US a bigger bully? What would you do if your friends living on Palau Ubin decides to be independent from mainland Singapore? And your neighbors come in to encourage this separatism? Woudl you set Ubin inhabitants free because you love them and they are also Singaporeans previously?
I also belive that Japan shares a higher portion of the blame for existing bad r/s between China and Japan. Can't they just own up, apologise and move on like the Germans?
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel about the situation between China and Taiwan. Taiwan has always been a part of China. If let's say in 1965 the Workers Party decides to set up an independent People's Republic of Singapore on Pulau Ubin, should we just accept it?
What if it starts trading and by 2005 is a very strong economy? And Ubin has aligned itself with Malaysia and receives arms and training from the Malaysians.
Then Ubin decides to officially declare its independence. With official independence it means they can invite the Malaysians to build airbase and station troops on Ubin to deter an attack from Mainland Singapore.
What is the mainland supposed to do? If we attack, Malaysia vows to join in. If we don't the separatists on Sentosa whom are aligned with the Indonesians will be encouraged to step up their campaign for independence.
This is exactly the situation China is trapped in. Attack, sure die. Don't attack, also problem cos all the other places like Xinjiang and Tibet will take this as a sign of weakness and step up their revolt for independence.
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I dont think China ever threaten to nuke Jap or taiwan. As for US, let's look at Gen Zhu's comments again:Originally posted by Joe Black:China is acting as a bully now, threatening to Nuke US, Japan and Taiwan (if Japan or Taiwan possess nuclear weapon). Wah liao.... what is this?
...and yes, I do think that if the mainlander really love Taiwan, they should set it free and let it choose the path, selfish forced possession is NOT love at all.
"If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons," the official, Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu, said at an official briefing.
"War logic" dictates that a weaker power needs to use maximum efforts to defeat a stronger rival, he said, speaking in fluent English. "We have no capability to fight a conventional war against the United States," General Zhu said. "We can't win this kind of war."
He is admitting China's military weakness as compared to US. They simply cannot win a conventional war against US and that's why he thinks China will use their nuke. What would you do if you're the president of China? what choices do you think China have?
Next on Taiwan, China leaders belong to the generation who lived through the humiliation of foreign invasions esp. Jap occupation. Defending their land or sovereignty is always the no 1 priority(Isn't that our priority as well?). It was reported that Deng Xiao Ping refused to visit HK until HK is handover to China by the British. He did not live long enough to see it. That is their mentality.
How can we say that it's selfish possession when Taiwan was part of China before the civil war? In any case, China never say they must re-unite by force. they only said Taiwan must not be independent. They are happy with the status-quo. -
where did u get yr facts from, china don't have a 100m army.Originally posted by Lance_han:tat isn't so bad...wat's worse is tat the US has a 4.4 million man army stationed AROUND THE WORLD while CHINA has a 100million man army stationed IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.....so if the population numbers are bad news...tis should be worst...
btw just my POV don think China will do anything dumb and att Taiwan...
1)world opinion is now somewhat on their side..and an att will give the US and its allies an overwhelming propganda tool....
2)the taiwanese economy is too intermixed wif China's...so an att there will cut off much needed profits....
and lastly...China is virtually surrounded by allies of the US.... so if they do att....the US has the ability to project at least it's airpower in the first few hours of any att watsoever....
total army strength for china stands at 3m at its peak.
how r u going to feed a 100m army in the first place
USA only have less than 1m counting those on national guards n reserves. -
China will be the first one to admit it is now at least 20 times weaker than US militarily.
But China will also be the first to remind you that when it fought the US in Korea during the 1950's the PLA must've been 200 times weaker than the US Army. The US was the mighty victor of WW2 whereas China was the sad loser that suffered grieviously during the war only to be further weakened by the civil war between the Chicom and KMT.
Still, China fought the Americans to a standstill. You can cite high casualty figures for PLA but this has never been a great problem for PLA.
So today, if US sends a task force sailing in to fight China on Taiwan's side, victory is not guaranteed. In fact, the US might again suffer serious damage to its ego. China isn't Iraq or Afghanistan.
And you cannot automatically count on South Korea and Japan to happily jump into the fray. S. Korea and Japan have so far never been threatened by China and are doing massive trading with China. In fact, both countries would rather wished the cockroach Chen Sui Bian disappear so they can all get on with their lives. -
....hmm...Originally posted by Kenashi:where did u get yr facts from, china don't have a 100m army.
total army strength for china stands at 3m at its peak.
how r u going to feed a 100m army in the first place
USA only have less than 1m counting those on national guards n reserves.
it's stated in some book somewhere...
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I think the 100m is probably inclusive of reserves.
Standing army can't be so big.
In anycase, numbers aren't the most important. Its whether the numbers can get to the front or not. Its like, TNI is so much bigger than SAF, but how many can swim over at a time? -
You think it is a "bad" thing if the language is in chinese, eventhough your mother tongue is chinese? Shows what kind of mentality you have. Happily living as a slave of colonialism and westernization. Not just being a slave physically, but mentally a slave deep to the core. I'll bet you would happily change your family name to "Woodleigh" or "Mountbatten".Originally posted by ah_kwang:Worst still, our aircraft cockpit, radar systems, handphone, PDAs, TVs, MRT stations, everything in chinese. JIA LAT AH!!! Better brush up our chinese language!!! -
Stop living in the 1970s.Originally posted by nismoS132:let's put things in perspective.
how many of that 1.3 billion are NOT living in rural villages, or knows what's a refridgerator? -
hahahaha.... are you from China?Originally posted by zhaozhilong:You think it is a "bad" thing if the language is in chinese, eventhough your mother tongue is chinese? Shows what kind of mentality you have. Happily living as a slave of colonialism and westernization. Not just being a slave physically, but mentally a slave deep to the core. I'll bet you would happily change your family name to "Woodleigh" or "Mountbatten".
I live in Shanghai. -
So home sicking ah...Originally posted by tvdog:hahahaha.... are you from China?
I live in Shanghai.
Luckily here got this forum, like an E- territory without a border