only officers do thatOriginally posted by bcoy:Yes - there are people who have completed their 13 year cycle ICT and take up another cycle.
I think it is only open to officers.Originally posted by dragg:only officers do that
Young man, try go take your IPPT while you r in your mid 30s and see for yourself b4 you make this statements.Originally posted by tvdog:There are many men in their late 40's or 50's whom have finished serving NS and still in considerably good healthy condition.
After so many years of valuable military training plus their own life experience these men can continue to be very useful to SAF.
Some of these men may actually want to continue serving in a reduced capacity in SAF.
So should SAF start a programme where these men can volunteer to continue to serve yearly ICTs?
One way is to start a Home Guards Division where these older men can be like a last line of defense or help police provide armed security for civilian areas in wartime. Or these men can be trained to operate light AA weapons. During WW2 England had the Home Guards made of men either too old or unfit to be in the regular army.
Another way is to let these men remain in their unit in admin or other non-combat posts like armskoteman, armourer, QM, weapons instructors etc. This would relieve a lot of younger men so they can go out to the field instead of languishing in the camp.
First of all, I'm in my late thirties. But it is really your own fault if by your mid-thirties you can't pass IPPT in the CAT Z. Shape up, old man...Originally posted by Manager433:Young man, try go take your IPPT while you r in your mid 30s and see for yourself b4 you make this statements.
You raise a good point, but as long as it's voluntary and the person is certified medically fit, why not.But we should not go down the route of stop-loss orders currently in force with the National Guard in US.Originally posted by tvdog:First of all, I'm in my late thirties. But it is really your own fault if by your mid-thirties you can't pass IPPT in the CAT Z. Shape up, old man...
Anyway, I am talking about a STRICTLY VOLUNTARY PROGRAMME. So no one is forcing you. But there are some people who would like to remain part of the force that makes this country a militarily powerful one.
And I am talking about NON-COMBAT ROLES.
So if my job is to be the armourer, how much running do you suppose my duties needs? A 50 year old man can't repair weapons?
40 to 50 year-old men continue to work at shipyards, construction sites and other strenuous chores and I don't see them dropping dead on the job. So if a 50 year-old reservist can repair a tank why not continue to use him? Why drop him just because he can't pass the same IPPT test a 30 year-old can?
No - in my ex-unit (we just ROD), some of the officers and specialists are going to continue serving past their 13 year cycle. They have been "re-cycled" to another new batch of reservists. And no, they do not owe any ICT make-ups. I guess it depends on Mindef.Originally posted by dragg:only officers do that
I read about an MP force made up of National Guardsmen beating back a coordinated Iraqi insurgent attack that outnumbered them 5 to 1.Originally posted by John Ching:What Tvdog has suggested is really not a bad ideal, seriously.
An example, there is currently no less then a company of 60 years old & above of volunteer ex-Marines in Iraq serving in non-combat roles.
Of course, the MARINE Corp has a guide line that these volunteers must satisfy before their allow back into service.
However, these older MARINEs do not necessary free the active able support MARINEs back into combat roles. What I do know is that they are mostly assigned to the Provost company to provide camp security, Prisoner control, etc.
BTW, with referrence to whoever might assume or even suggest that old soldiers are useless in combat, should've check out how a few of those old MARINEs were part of the younger fighting MARINEs beating back the militant attack at a base in Iraq recently. Everyone grows old but not every old man are weak from sitting on their arse after leaving the service.![]()
Ya, in fact, there are a few fellows that I know came back after their cycle. They are mainly regular officers holding command position. I think their years experience are in demand and of course if you are they long enough, you will have some kind of bond with the unit and the men. So most of them are doing for the unit and the men.Originally posted by lution:after spending your most precious and healthy years and more than half a lifetime of protecting what is not ours and protecting the ruling dynasty, you still want to spend extra time back in there?
might as well sign on in the first place.
Frankly, if my family and loved ones are here, il fight.If there is nothing for me to fight for, why stay.Logical.Originally posted by freeman8:Ya, in fact, there are a few fellows that I know came back after their cycle. They are mainly regular officers holding command position. I think their years experience are in demand and of course if you are they long enough, you will have some kind of bond with the unit and the men. So most of them are doing for the unit and the men.
With regards to protecting what is not ours and protecting the ruling dynasty. That is very subjective. I would not say this is my land, cos I don't own it. And I am not a patroit. But I believe a lot of NS men will fight cos they wives, kids and their parents are all in Singapore. Most important thing is the way of life that we are so used to, be it you like it or not. If all these are not yours, I guess you are pretty much a loner or you got nothing in Singapore...
Ya..my ex-CO did 17 high-key ICT...volunteer. Really on...Originally posted by dragg:only officers do that
no thks..Originally posted by bcoy:Yes - there are people who have completed their 13 year cycle ICT and take up another cycle.
There is already men that are for Home Defense... the PDF lor.Originally posted by tvdog:There are many men in their late 40's or 50's whom have finished serving NS and still in considerably good healthy condition.
After so many years of valuable military training plus their own life experience these men can continue to be very useful to SAF.
Some of these men may actually want to continue serving in a reduced capacity in SAF.
So should SAF start a programme where these men can volunteer to continue to serve yearly ICTs?
One way is to start a Home Guards Division where these older men can be like a last line of defense or help police provide armed security for civilian areas in wartime. Or these men can be trained to operate light AA weapons. During WW2 England had the Home Guards made of men either too old or unfit to be in the regular army.
Another way is to let these men remain in their unit in admin or other non-combat posts like armskoteman, armourer, QM, weapons instructors etc. This would relieve a lot of younger men so they can go out to the field instead of languishing in the camp.