Singapore has dropped the Eurofighter combat jet
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risk the lives of 300 000 singaporeans? no thanks. I am not going to fight such a war unless we are actually going to be attacked by an aggressor.Originally posted by LazerLordz:For once I'm inclined to agree with you.Our SAF is increasingly focusing on threats beyond our own archipelago in the long term. -
Nah, its either USA/Taiwan or China...Originally posted by CenturionMBT:risk the lives of 300 000 singaporeans? no thanks. I am not going to fight such a war unless we are actually going to be attacked by an aggressor.
Its either we let those ships pass through , if we let those ships pass through..we will be attacked by Chinese warships and fighter jets..
If we don't...USA/Taiwan will be very pissed off...cause a high % of their military assets are stationed at middle east and will be awaiting transport to the taiwan straits in the event of a conflict. -
We will not fire the first shot.But let's just say that our shipping is attacked by the PLAN and they seize control of our waterways and attack CNB and the USN vessels there.Should we let them do that? NO.Originally posted by CenturionMBT:risk the lives of 300 000 singaporeans? no thanks. I am not going to fight such a war unless we are actually going to be attacked by an aggressor.
I think that would constitute aggression.And i'll be very sure which direction my rounds will fly. -
no shit! this is SAD news!
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PLAN with its current modernization program will grow but will become a regional maritime power capable of active offshore defence at most. In the foreeable future, PLAN naval air arm, with its Su 27K Flanker, remains rather ineffective in engaging ships with modern air defence system. With its limited range it is no threat to even the sampan along the malacca straits or at the south china sea. Aircraft carrier remains in the discussion stage and projection of power would likely be carried out mainly by its submarine fleet. What has RSAF Eagles got to do with such a threat or no threat?Originally posted by LazerLordz:If there is a war in the Taiwan Straits, whoever owns the Straits will have a big influence on whether China gets her supplies.
I'd bet that in such an event, we might see PLAN warships trying to secure the Straits for their own purposes, thus possibly setting us Malay Archipelago states into a conflict with her.We are very tied into the fate of North Asia, if you look really hard enough into the political and military dimensions are work here, plus taking into account our relationship with the United States, which sees us as a vdery important forward logistics HQ in South and North Asia.
They are basing more troops and aircraft at Guam these days..And it's definitely due to the rising tension.
Take a look at our RSN's increasingly bluewater plans and strategy.Add in our air-to-air refueling capability, which only we have amongst our neighbours..throw in the fact that we are getting our Frigates anti-missile missile capability..
We're definitely trying to be a force capable of defending the Straits.Whoever the enemy might be...we won't know for sure..but I think if there is an external military threat to the Straits, I'd be glad to see RSAF Eagles and Vipers flying CAP alongside RMAF SU-30s and F/A-18E Super Hornets in the South China Sea
If there were a war in the Taiwan Straits, it will not be necessary for China to secure the straits of malacca, it will be for the US to control the straits to block supplies to China, but will Malaysia and Indonesia allow?? if China choose to start the war, would they not have sufficient supplies to pre-empt a possible naval blockage? US carrier task force will come from Japan or across the pacific, Malacca straits may not be that important for an immediate and direct conflict between the US and China.
If the US were prepared to go to war with china over taiwan, would singapore want to be involved, against China? Malaysia and Indonesia certainly do not view the threat of China the way some singaporeans view and they certainly do not fight war as allies of the US, I cannot see how RMAF planes could be flying along RSAF Eagles against Chinese planes.
Many countries would be affected by a war in the taiwan straits but how many want to be involved? Even against iraq, most countries in the world chose to stay out. Is it wise for Singapore to stand along side the US against China? for what? that is a question for politicians to think very very carefully. In the meantime, the RSAF should refrain from showing off.
SAF should continue to be modernized against direct threats to the existance of singapore , and our position in the international theatre should continue to be strengthened through sound foreign policies and international cooperations. Taking China as our perceived enemy is not a sound foreign policy and buying plane in anticipation of participation in a war 1000 miles away is rather far fetched.
If RSAF planes should one day be fighting against a SU-30, this SU-30 is not likely to be flown by a chinese pilot. I believe the guys in Mindef knows where our threats are likely to come from.
I am surprised and a little disappointed that Eurofighter is out of contention now. F-15 is still too old an aircraft. A newer aircraft from Europe can gain us access to the european technologies, training facilities and military doctrines. -
Hmm, I don't think we will proactively seek a confrontation, if that's what you think my post implied.But there is value in opening up the scope for looking at where future threats might come from.And the people whom we bicker with all the time might not turn out to be the most dangerous.Originally posted by sgdiehard:PLAN with its current modernization program will grow but will become a regional maritime power capable of active offshore defence at most. In the foreeable future, PLAN naval air arm, with its Su 27K Flanker, remains rather ineffective in engaging ships with modern air defence system. With its limited range it is no threat to even the sampan along the malacca straits or at the south china sea. Aircraft carrier remains in the discussion stage and projection of power would likely be carried out mainly by its submarine fleet. What has RSAF Eagles got to do with such a threat or no threat?
If there were a war in the Taiwan Straits, it will not be necessary for China to secure the straits of malacca, it will be for the US to control the straits to block supplies to China, but will Malaysia and Indonesia allow?? if China choose to start the war, would they not have sufficient supplies to pre-empt a possible naval blockage? US carrier task force will come from Japan or across the pacific, Malacca straits may not be that important for an immediate and direct conflict between the US and China.
If the US were prepared to go to war with china over taiwan, would singapore want to be involved, against China? Malaysia and Indonesia certainly do not view the threat of China the way some singaporeans view and they certainly do not fight war as allies of the US, I cannot see how RMAF planes could be flying along RSAF Eagles against Chinese planes.
Many countries would be affected by a war in the taiwan straits but how many want to be involved? Even against iraq, most countries in the world chose to stay out. Is it wise for Singapore to stand along side the US against China? for what? that is a question for politicians to think very very carefully. In the meantime, the RSAF should refrain from showing off.
SAF should continue to be modernized against direct threats to the existance of singapore , and our position in the international theatre should continue to be strengthened through sound foreign policies and international cooperations. Taking China as our perceived enemy is not a sound foreign policy and buying plane in anticipation of participation in a war 1000 miles away is rather far fetched.
If RSAF planes should one day be fighting against a SU-30, this SU-30 is not likely to be flown by a chinese pilot. I believe the guys in Mindef knows where our threats are likely to come from.
I am surprised and a little disappointed that Eurofighter is out of contention now. F-15 is still too old an aircraft. A newer aircraft from Europe can gain us access to the european technologies, training facilities and military doctrines.
But let's just say that the Typhoon is out, I would go for the Eagle than the Rafale.The Strike Eagle concept with its different airframe and avionics wa developed nearly the same time as the Rafale, which is also a derivative of the Mirage.
Hope the Typhoon is still in the competition, but if not, I'll still have greater faith in the combat proven Eagle. -
if that is the case, we are hell in a dillema. It is all up to whom our gov is siding. Anyway, whoever we choose to side, we will still lose in the end. If i had it my way, i rather that our gov stands by its neutality and not side anybody in this war.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Nah, its either USA/Taiwan or China...
Its either we let those ships pass through , if we let those ships pass through..we will be attacked by Chinese warships and fighter jets..
If we don't...USA/Taiwan will be very pissed off...cause a high % of their military assets are stationed at middle east and will be awaiting transport to the taiwan straits in the event of a conflict. -
anyway, the flanker family have an extremely short range as compared to a fighter like an f 15. To actually attack all the way here they will be on the edge of their combat radius. We still have to add in the combat fatique factor in too. So unless they have an aircraft carrier operational, we really have nothing to worry about for the time being.
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eh...sori dude...but i believe in tis little saying:train for the worst..hope for the best...Originally posted by sgdiehard:PLAN with its current modernization program will grow but will become a regional maritime power capable of active offshore defence at most. In the foreeable future, PLAN naval air arm, with its Su 27K Flanker, remains rather ineffective in engaging ships with modern air defence system. With its limited range it is no threat to even the sampan along the malacca straits or at the south china sea. Aircraft carrier remains in the discussion stage and projection of power would likely be carried out mainly by its submarine fleet. What has RSAF Eagles got to do with such a threat or no threat?
If there were a war in the Taiwan Straits, it will not be necessary for China to secure the straits of malacca, it will be for the US to control the straits to block supplies to China, but will Malaysia and Indonesia allow?? if China choose to start the war, would they not have sufficient supplies to pre-empt a possible naval blockage? US carrier task force will come from Japan or across the pacific, Malacca straits may not be that important for an immediate and direct conflict between the US and China.
If the US were prepared to go to war with china over taiwan, would singapore want to be involved, against China? Malaysia and Indonesia certainly do not view the threat of China the way some singaporeans view and they certainly do not fight war as allies of the US, I cannot see how RMAF planes could be flying along RSAF Eagles against Chinese planes.
Many countries would be affected by a war in the taiwan straits but how many want to be involved? Even against iraq, most countries in the world chose to stay out. Is it wise for Singapore to stand along side the US against China? for what? that is a question for politicians to think very very carefully. In the meantime, the RSAF should refrain from showing off.
SAF should continue to be modernized against direct threats to the existance of singapore , and our position in the international theatre should continue to be strengthened through sound foreign policies and international cooperations. Taking China as our perceived enemy is not a sound foreign policy and buying plane in anticipation of participation in a war 1000 miles away is rather far fetched.
If RSAF planes should one day be fighting against a SU-30, this SU-30 is not likely to be flown by a chinese pilot. I believe the guys in Mindef knows where our threats are likely to come from.
I am surprised and a little disappointed that Eurofighter is out of contention now. F-15 is still too old an aircraft. A newer aircraft from Europe can gain us access to the european technologies, training facilities and military doctrines.
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And Mao once said, we can sustain 300 million casualties and still win the war..
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If it is true, EF2000 is dead
F-15 stands a 50% chance now, Rafale another 50%
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Agree, stay neutral, especially if the war is between China and USA. We cannot not help and we will not gain, but we have a lot to lose, during and after the war.Originally posted by CenturionMBT:if that is the case, we are hell in a dillema. It is all up to whom our gov is siding. Anyway, whoever we choose to side, we will still lose in the end. If i had it my way, i rather that our gov stands by its neutality and not side anybody in this war.
The scenario is getting ridiculous from a military point of view. The typical combat radius of the Chinese Su 27 Flanker is 1500 miles and that is the distance between Hainan island and singapore! Besides, to fly to malacca straits the planes need to fly over malaysia, or thailand and myanmar. I never see that as an option in any discussion among the chinese military websites and wonder how on earth singaporeans can consider that a possible threat, to justify the purchase of the toys they like?
Straits of Malacca will continue to be open to all and the only country who can force a blockage is USA, with the approval of Indonesia and Malaysia, and that is not likely to happen. Chinese navy do not have the means and do not need to control the Straits of Malacca. -
What is the worst that we should be prepared for? declaring war with China? or prepared to go to war where the americans go?Originally posted by Lance_han:eh...sori dude...but i believe in tis little saying:train for the worst..hope for the best... -
tat' realli depends on our foreign policy...so i donno much on tat and i wont comment then...but if its wat u sae...than you're already answering your own questionsOriginally posted by sgdiehard:What is the worst that we should be prepared for? declaring war with China? or prepared to go to war where the americans go? -
If we compare USA and China...with education, the determination of the people ,population etc all else ceteris paribus...
I will be correct to say that China will be stronger power then what USA have been...
USA took a few hundred years to establish itself...
China only just a short span of 1/2 century we are already feeling the power already...................
Can you imagine the might of China in a few hundred years? -
I thought we r talking abt Eurofighter drop from RSAF list! How it mange to side track to whether siding US or China?
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I agree with you..with regards to foreign policy and defence matters, we will never really know.But I'm confident the policy guys have thought of every scenario.Originally posted by Lance_han:tat' realli depends on our foreign policy...so i donno much on tat and i wont comment then...but if its wat u sae...than you're already answering your own questions -
Woops!Originally posted by zenden9:I thought we r talking abt Eurofighter drop from RSAF list! How it mange to side track to whether siding US or China?
i guess..
EF is a pretty advanced fighter jet compared with F-22...
its a big waste..=/ -
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Anyway, hope our new NGF is more high-tech in comparison to F-16 I...
SU-30...or whatever.. -
the source is from a bloody indian source !!! maybe idwar site !!! hahaOriginally posted by Lance_han:eh if u look at the fine print it's FROM REUTERS...
so tell me...wad do u tink is the possiblity of it being a rumor...
but then again...seriously...even if i'm a eagle fan...i realli wonder wat leaded to MINDEF scrapping the eurofighter.... -
This is directed at SBS1908B's much earlier post.No hard feelings but the post of Singapore's defence minister have been handed over to Rear Admiral Teo Chee Hean for some time already. So it is most likely to come from him instead of Dr Tony Tan.
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Originally posted by storywolf:the source is from a bloody indian source !!! maybe idwar site !!! haha
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+1Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:
thank u veri much for postin pic on my favourite airplane -
ehh...wad about an alien invasion???Originally posted by LazerLordz:I agree with you..with regards to foreign policy and defence matters, we will never really know.But I'm confident the policy guys have thought of every scenario.