Malaysia defeats Singapore
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It's 4:41AM.
The Malaysian political and military leadership were paralysed in the first 41 minutes of the unexpected attack by Singapore. Their intelligence had failed them. They had earlier dismissed the silent mobilisation of Singapore Armed Forces as nothing more than the usual mobilisation practice culminating in a military exercise which the island regularly conducted and which been earlier announced in the Singapore press.
In the panic and ensuing confusion, the PM decided to invoke the Malaysian-Indonesian Alliance, where an attack on Malaysia would be deemed to be an attack on Indonesia. However, his Defence Chief, as cool, calm and collected as ever, assured him that it would not be necessary. He said that the MAF would respond with a vengeance - in spite of 90% of their Air Force having been destroyed - that would lead to the total and complete destruction of Singapore.
The MLRS missile batteries hidden in the hardened bunkers in the hills of Johore were activated. Within 15 minutes, 250 missiles were launched in the first wave of attack and were sent streaking into the air and across the Johore Straits. 152 missiles malfunctioned and exploded in mid-air. The MAF had a notorious record of maintaining their military hardware. However, 98 missiles found their targets.
The Ministry of Defence's nerve centre in Bukit Gombak partially collapsed with the onslaught of the first wave of a missile barrage, hindering the Singapore Armed Forces' command, control and communication structure. The military command centres in the airforce bases in Lim Chu Kang, Sembawang and Paya Lebar were hit. Runaways were destroyed. Roads serving as alternative runaways were destroyed. Missiles also rained on the civil-military supply bases. Changi airport was partially destroyed, trapping thousands of Singaporeans and foreigners who had gathered to try to flee the island state. 15 missiles struck the Central Business District, partially destroying buildings.
Twelve stray missiles struck the HDB towns of Woodlands, Yishun, Choa Chu Kang, Jurong West, Tampines, Pasir Ris and the middle class suburb of Bukit Timah. 6,819 Singaporeans were killed within the first 20 minutes of the missile strikes. 16,732 were injured. The Singapore hospitals could not cope with the continuing stream of ambulances and makeshift ambulances ferrying in the bloodied wounded. Dead bodies were left outside the hospitals' mortuaries when it became obvious that the mortuaries did not have the capacity to cope with the constant flow of vehicles streaming in to send yet another ghastly load of dead people, many of whom had heads and limbs torn off from their mangled and bloodied torsos.
Within 40 minutes of the missile barrage and before the Malaysians could launch a second missile wave, the Singapore Government - commanding the battle from the comfort and safety of a faraway land - acted upon the advice of their trembling, nervous defence chief, a sallowed skin, portly, bespectacled scholar who, at age 39, was the world's youngest Chief of Defence Force.
The Malaysian Defence Chief smiled. Singapore had unconditionally surrendered to the Malaysians. He called his Prime Minister and reminded him of what the Malaysian Defence Chiefs had been advising the political leadership many times in the past; that there was never a need to match Singapore with glamorous but expensive fighter jets and fanciful military hardware. All the MAF needed were to invest in multiple launched rocket missiles - obtained cheaply at a tiny fraction of the cost of Singapore's advanced fighter jets - to bring Singapore to its knees.
The Singaporeans earned a consolation price. They achieved a world's first and was recorded in the Guinness book of record for fighting the shortest war of aggression, all of 1 hour 49 minutes.
Three months later, history repeated itself. Singapore was reabsorbed into Malaysia as a Malaysian state.
What do you guys think of this scenario? -
i think NS is a waste of 2 years
that fat chair-warmer is a waste of tax-payers' money -
In all fairness, I think the scenario is quite exciting, albeit simplistic. In a pre-emptive attack by Singapore, KL, PJ, SS2, Puchong, Shah Alam and Subang would have been obliterated, killing far more than the Singaporean count in the scenario. The Malaysian leaders would definetely think twice before trying to fire their rockets less they lose another major population centre.
And I think Singapore is too proud to surrender so fast - not to Malaysia anyway. If all of Singapore's reserve escape into hiding in Malaysia's jungles, Malaysia will have a serious problem on its hands. At least 300,000 very angry soldiers and ex-soldiers hiding in the midst of their botanical labyrinths. Most of them not caring if they live or die, they have lost their tiny utopian state and families, and they want a blood vengeance. Most of these are highly-educated, thinking and strategizing soldiers equipped with scoped rifles, NVGs, anti-tank weapons, grenade launchers, machine guns, claymore mines and mortars. Good luck to the MAF in weeding them out. And I haven't even started talking about SAF's armour and artillery (which from what I know, can hit KL from Singapore).
In the first place, you two countries should never ever fight. Too much to lose from each other. Billateral trade between Singapore and Malaysia amounted to SG$77.2 billion in 2003, probably even higher now. Why risk losing such a pot of gold over petty arguments? Due to the geographical proximity, the two neighbours will be devastated by war - physically, psychologically and economically. Millions will die. -
First up, what makes you think Indon will even be remotely interested in helping an antagoniser such as Malaysia?
As if they will ever forget the slap on their faces in the rows over some disputed islands.
Secondly, what makes you think the MLRS missles are capable of even hitting, let alone penetrate, the "nerve centres"? And what makes you think the "nerve centres" are even there?
Next up, a few runways to get rid of the RSAF? Ability to win conventional war without a credible air support?
I think I'll have a sore stomach tomorrow, from all that laughter. -
You're joking, right?
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right. thank you
activate missiles in johor... then where does the pre-emptive strike by singapore stop? the causeway???
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given singapore already have air superiority over malaysia... astros would be merely committing suicide by firing its rocket.
i dare say that after the first salvo of the rockets that would give off the astros launchers location... they would be quickly destroyed by the CAP/CAS that RSAF would have estab over southern johor.
secondly... there are hundreds of roads in singapore that could potentially be use as runways... IF only our generals got a bit of brain and change those lamp post from the current bend over system to one of straight lamp post...
it sometime amazes me at how thick headed RSAF can be given the experience they hand in LIM CHU KANG road where they have to spend hours just removing the lamppost..... damn stupid leh... done it for afew years liow.. still never got tired of repeating the same routine... they got brain or not? -
the road is wide enough, removing lamposts is a safety precaution. in war, what is safety?Originally posted by tripwire:given singapore already have air superiority over malaysia... astros would be merely committing suicide by firing its rocket.
i dare say that after the first salvo of the rockets that would give off the astros launchers location... they would be quickly destroyed by the CAP/CAS that RSAF would have estab over southern johor.
secondly... there are hundreds of roads in singapore that could potentially be use as runways... IF only our generals got a bit of brain and change those lamp post from the current bend over system to one of straight lamp post...
it sometime amazes me at how thick headed RSAF can be given the experience they hand in LIM CHU KANG road where they have to spend hours just removing the lamppost..... damn stupid leh... done it for afew years liow.. still never got tired of repeating the same routine... they got brain or not? -
Emm... Then what is that E-2 for?
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"sar kor char kway teow, mai hiam, hum zui zui, tar pow!"Originally posted by sbst275:Emm... Then what is that E-2 for? -
Originally posted by ditzy:"sar kor char kway teow, mai hiam, hum zui zui, tar pow!"
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E2 could not detect a MLRS lauching please.Originally posted by sbst275:Emm... Then what is that E-2 for? -
I mean invading fightersOriginally posted by 38�Ž:E2 could not detect a MLRS lauching please. -
Probably the airfield being destroyed during MLRS showering, so E2s already fly to heaven. sad iszit, but have to face the reality if the scenario comes tureOriginally posted by sbst275:I mean invading fighters -
Em... Something I can't sayOriginally posted by 38�Ž:Probably the airfield being destroyed during MLRS showering, so E2s already fly to heaven. sad iszit, but have to face the reality if the scenario comes ture -
if i remember correctly... the US was using the AEW to look for scud launchers... since when the scud flys... it is detected by the AEW and F-15s are then triangulated towards the origin of the scud.Originally posted by 38�Ž:E2 could not detect a MLRS lauching please.
understand that a scud is as big as a plane and the Astros is far bigger then a AAM... if the E-2 can spot incoming plane and AAM... its well within the capability of the E-2 to spot a astros launch.
unfortunately for the americans... the scuds had a range slightly longer then the AEW radar range... and given the huge distance the F-15 have to cover to reach the origin of scud missile... the iraqi already disappeared with their launchers...
with regard to singapore vs malaysia... the odds are in our favour since the ASTRO max range of 90km is well within the radar range of the E-2 radar and given the short distance.. the F-16C/D would be right on top of those launchers before then can run away..... -
Scud is much larger than the rockets being fired from MLRS. and rocket flies low, ask any SAF personnel, he will tell u impossible to detect rocket shell
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Can believe or not? Such things who will want to give you a ans?Originally posted by 38�Ž:Scud is much larger than the rockets being fired from MLRS. and rocket flies low, ask any SAF personnel, he will tell u impossible to detect rocket shell -
oh... come to think of it... since the range of the astros is so pathetic at 90km... i think its well within the radar detection range of the F-16, so even if the E-2 is not on station.... the F-16 alone should be more then enough to silence those overpriced rockets.
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ahhaahahahhahahahahaahahah....
let mi this Military Nuts Noob ask u a ask you a few question ok?
1) M'sia have missiles or nuclear bomb? so power ar? it's a war, people will die, 6K ppl killed, then what about the 3.94M others that will tulan and hit m'sia back?
2) then how many MLRS does M'sia have?? 100? 200? what about the arti from sg? if all aim at JB u think it will be flat or not still got second wave ar?? unless u m'sia already got teleport technology lor.
3) 1hrs surrender ar?? then all the advance party and cdo, guards that have landed all over m'sia how?? change to CV and act as tourist is it?
4) And since it's a SG attack dun you think most of the fighters already on air or based overseas? so no run way in sg who cares? -
Sorry have to upset u again, probably the Malaysian army will deploy modern SAM in front of their MLRS base. If u aware this enough, u would know what the Malaysian army currently doing now, they are not too much to just hug new fighter, but they sliently upgrading their SAM-Surface To Air Missile. to the defending side, the SAM is cheaper but much more effect means to counter air strick. Any 3rd generation Phased Array Radar controlled, TVM guided or Active Radar guided SAM can shoot down F16 with easy if it enters the SAM's effective rangeOriginally posted by tripwire:.
with regard to singapore vs malaysia... the odds are in our favour since the ASTRO max range of 90km is well within the radar range of the E-2 radar and given the short distance.. the F-16C/D would be right on top of those launchers before then can run away..... -
Haiz... Do you know that JB is doomed as we know too well thereOriginally posted by 38�Ž:Sorry have to upset u again, probably the Malaysian army will deploy modern SAM in front of their MLRS base. If u aware this enough, u would know what the Malaysian army currently doing now, they are not too much to just hug new fighter, but they sliently upgrading their SAM-Surface To Air Missile. to the defending side, the SAM is cheaper but much more effect means to counter air strick. Any 3rd generation Phased Array Radar controlled, TVM guided or Active Radar guided SAM can shoot down F16 with easy if it enters the SAM's effective range -
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha, yet another arm-chair strategist, this one can't even configure tri-service warfare!Originally posted by 38�Ž:Sorry have to upset u again, probably the Malaysian army will deploy modern SAM in front of their MLRS base. If u aware this enough, u would know what the Malaysian army currently doing now, they are not too much to just hug new fighter, but they sliently upgrading their SAM-Surface To Air Missile. to the defending side, the SAM is cheaper but much more effect means to counter air strick. Any 3rd generation Phased Array Radar controlled, TVM guided or Active Radar guided SAM can shoot down F16 with easy if it enters the SAM's effective range Must be related to idwar, another no-brainer.
Now if you'll excuse me while I go laugh myself silly. -
Do u ever enter the military base around Mt Ophire?Originally posted by sbst275:Haiz... Do you know that JB is doomed as we know too well there
Knows well does not mean u can control it with ur spiritual power, so still return to the topic, if as the thead suggested, how can S'pore count it.
Only way to my opinion , is the authority strike 1st if detect the war is inevitable.
1st, SEAD all frontline SAM, then the airforce could enter to clear MLRS likes.
But soon, the SAF will face Su30MKM/Mig29. still very tough leh. -
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/astros/specs.htmlOriginally posted by 38�Ž:Scud is much larger than the rockets being fired from MLRS. and rocket flies low, ask any SAF personnel, he will tell u impossible to detect rocket shell
those astros are not small ok.... it measure from 3.9 meters long for the smallest SS40 up to 5.6meter in length for the SS-80.
an AMMRAAM measure 3.6meters only.
not to mention the fact that the diameter of the ASTRO rocket is way above that of the AMRAAM.
secondly... rockets dont fly low... that would be cruise missiles... not rockets..
and for your information i am one of your ANY SAF personnel... and i can tell you that SAF have ARTHUR long range radar and other arty round tracking radar in service.. an arty round is far far smaller.. then even an AMRAAM.