Difference between m4 and m16
-
can anyone please give the difference between them other than those listed below? are the components all the same? e.g buffer spring
1.) lenght
2.) weight
3.) the butt -
shorter barrel.
-
Barrel is shorter...and the muzzle velocity is lower. Aiming a carbine requires a bit of practice, since its shorter, and the barrel tends to climb a bit when shooting. The audible "crack" is much louder and sharper with the carbine, whereas the M16 goes "blam"...
Of cos'....its easier to clear SOC with the carbine. Its a good compact weapon, meant for spec ops, scouts, cdos, armour crewmen, and anyone that requires an assault rifle sans length and weight. -
-
is it possible to do M16 rifle drills with the M4? for instance stand in 'sir di ya' position and 'lu so sen jia ta', 'ho ma se jia ta' etc?
-
They already have a new set of drills just for the sar-21.Originally posted by Gordonator:is it possible to do M16 rifle drills with the M4? for instance stand in 'sir di ya' position and 'lu so sen jia ta', 'ho ma se jia ta' etc? 
-
the one with rifle sling right?Originally posted by ditzy:They already have a new set of drills just for the sar-21. -
i heard the m4 is not meant to kill but to injure only...cos the m4 used in spec ops if hit friendly or innocent at least wouldn't be that bad.also the m4 is more compact,making it more suitable for CQC
m16 on the other hand is more of shoot to kill.i dunno but i think its on the barrel differences.
tat time i at sispec saw some spec doing drill with SAR21 for dunno wat parade.scream and scream non stop at the parade square.but they sound liek chickens.. -
Umm.... tell ya what--let me unload a single 5.56 mm 55 gr. FMJ-BT projectile with a muzzle velocity of 2850 fps at you through my M4, and we'll see about that injury part!Originally posted by casshern:i heard the m4 is not meant to kill but to injure only...cos the m4 used in spec ops if hit friendly or innocent at least wouldn't be that bad.
MG -
Its possible...just that the length is shorter lor...and the buttstock has to be extended...will end up gripping the tip of the barrel insteadOriginally posted by Gordonator:is it possible to do M16 rifle drills with the M4? for instance stand in 'sir di ya' position and 'lu so sen jia ta', 'ho ma se jia ta' etc?
But when it comes to unloading drills at the range...heh...its uncomfy lah...cos' the barrel is hot...
The M4 can kill...no doubt abt it...heh...same calibre leh...the only thing is accuracy, that's all...takes a bit of practice... -
Absolute nonsense. Please tell me where you heard these falsehoods from.Originally posted by casshern:i heard the m4 is not meant to kill but to injure only...cos the m4 used in spec ops if hit friendly or innocent at least wouldn't be that bad.
m16 on the other hand is more of shoot to kill.i dunno but i think its on the barrel differences. -
they're just for different uses in the field..>.<Originally posted by poor clt:can anyone please give the difference between them other than those listed below? are the components all the same? e.g buffer spring
1.) lenght
2.) weight
3.) the butt
-
amen.Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:Umm.... tell ya what--let me unload a single 5.56 mm 55 gr. FMJ-BT projectile with a muzzle velocity of 2850 fps at you through my M4, and we'll see about that injury part!
MG -
Its the round that kills. not the weapon. If u put a rubber bullet in m16, then m16 cannot kill?? m4 n m16 uses 5.56, same round. Think you meant the round they use for m4. for such ops, they use fargment rds. or dunno what u call them. those that breaks into fragment within the body it enters. and will not exit the body, thus reducing the chance of hitting innocent or friendly forces.Originally posted by casshern:i heard the m4 is not meant to kill but to injure only...cos the m4 used in spec ops if hit friendly or innocent at least wouldn't be that bad.also the m4 is more compact,making it more suitable for CQC
m16 on the other hand is more of shoot to kill.i dunno but i think its on the barrel differences.
tat time i at sispec saw some spec doing drill with SAR21 for dunno wat parade.scream and scream non stop at the parade square.but they sound liek chickens.. -
Even M193 FMJ 55gr 5.56mm rounds will fragment, that is as long as it travels faster than 2,700 feet/ 823 meter per second.
From a 20" barrel the M193 round will travel for about 200m before it drops to 2700fps/823mps, from a 14.5" barrel its about 100m. -
I always thought FMJ-full metal jacket was the norm since the late 70's?? the 5.56 or M193 is definately full metal jackets, the 'others' are more big bore (for hunting) of left over for replica ammo etc. DUH!Originally posted by Raptor937:Even M193 FMJ 55gr 5.56mm rounds. -
And why the devil would a soldier want to go into battle knowing that weapon he's carrying is designed only to injure? It's not as if he's a cop.Originally posted by casshern:i heard the m4 is not meant to kill but to injure only...cos the m4 used in spec ops if hit friendly or innocent at least wouldn't be that bad.also the m4 is more compact,making it more suitable for CQC
-
I agree. Anyway have you seen guys hitting fig 12 targets consecutively at 500m using M4 with iron sight? I have.Originally posted by Gedanken:And why the devil would a soldier want to go into battle knowing that weapon he's carrying is designed only to injure? It's not as if he's a cop.
One thing you probably might notice about the recoiling action of an M4. It's comparatively less cushioned than M16. Might be due to the weight, might be due to the shorter recoil spring (I'd go for the former, because I have this theory that the recoild spring assembly does nothing other than to reload sebsequent rounds). -
Can'y say I've seen the M4 In action with my own two eyes. It goes out to 500m? That's not bad.Originally posted by crosshairs:I agree. Anyway have you seen guys hitting fig 12 targets consecutively at 500m using M4 with iron sight? I have.
One thing you probably might notice about the recoiling action of an M4. It's comparatively less cushioned than M16. Might be due to the weight, might be due to the shorter recoil spring (I'd go for the former, because I have this theory that the recoild spring assembly does nothing other than to reload sebsequent rounds).
Apart from the recoil spring, if we're talking about the compasrion between an M4 and an M16A1, the rifling (1-in-7 vs. 1-in-12) and propellant would also contribute to the difference in recoil. Now if only they'd just go back to the M193's projectile instaed of the M855, we could be on a winner here. -
ermm a rifle newbie..is the SAF carbine used by the scouts, tankees also known as the M4 or just a M16 carbine ?
-
The proper classification is the M-16 carbine (at least used by the SAF). Dun think many carbines in use now, since the SAR-21 replaces it...at least for scouts. For tankees, I'm not too sure...anyone care to confirm it?Originally posted by one-niner:ermm a rifle newbie..is the SAF carbine used by the scouts, tankees also known as the M4 or just a M16 carbine ?
The M4 is a slightly different variant altogether...the SOF uses it.. M4A1 version to be exact...not SOPMOD version...its slightly heavier than the M-16 carbine but still lighter than the M-16...
Fig. 12 at 500m with a carbine? wow...that's impressive
its possible though..the carbine needs a little getting used to, since the recoil is stronger...I love to shoot with that weapon... -
Nope - the M4 incorporates the key developments that came with the M16A2, namely a barrel with one-turn-in-7-inches rifling (as opposed to one turn in 12 for the M16A1), and the M855 round to go with the new rifling. The new rifling spins the projectile faster, making for higher accuracy.Originally posted by one-niner:ermm a rifle newbie..is the SAF carbine used by the scouts, tankees also known as the M4 or just a M16 carbine ?
The carbines used by scouts etc. were the older models with the 1:12 rifling and the M193 round. -
Hmm alright ..so does our SAR 21 have similar specs with the M4 in terms of rifling and the type of rounds to go with it ? Sorry for the rather basic questions as all i ask for is a rifle that does its job of killing an enemy with minmial rnds to accomplish my mission.Originally posted by Gedanken:Nope - the M4 incorporates the key developments that came with the M16A2, namely a barrel with one-turn-in-7-inches rifling (as opposed to one turn in 12 for the M16A1), and the M855 round to go with the new rifling. The new rifling spins the projectile faster, making for higher accuracy.
The carbines used by scouts etc. were the older models with the 1:12 rifling and the M193 round.