Military Nuts Plane of the week. Featuring the SU-33
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grab tis for use on our -15s or Rafales(if we do buy it tat is...Originally posted by CenturionMBT:thrust vectoring. The ruskies are the pioneer in it.
The yanks on the other hand started out this research much later.
The F22 has this capability. However it is more of a 2d thrust vectoring. flankers are 3D.
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i thought it was something to do with the engine air inlets? american aircraft would flame out doing that maneuverOriginally posted by CenturionMBT:thrust vectoring. The ruskies are the pioneer in it.
The yanks on the other hand started out this research much later.
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no it is the engine outlets. not inlets. Basicly they angle the nozzle at a certain degree so that the engine thrust will be in a certain angle. Thats why we call it thrust vectoring.Originally posted by sgFish:i thought it was something to do with the engine air inlets? american aircraft would flame out doing that maneuver -
hmm...but how bout the MiG-29? If i'm not wrong it can perform the cobra maneuver, however it is not equipped with thrust vectoring nozzles. The MiG-29 has the ability to generate a tremendous pitch rate without changing the vector of flight, enabling it to do the maneuver, so thrust vectoring can't be the only factor that determines whether an aircraft can perform that or not. But there must be something these russian aircraft have that western ones don't right...Originally posted by CenturionMBT:no it is the engine outlets. not inlets. Basicly they angle the nozzle at a certain degree so that the engine thrust will be in a certain angle. Thats why we call it thrust vectoring.
taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev%27s_Cobra
Cobra is a demonstration of an airplane's pitch control authority, high AOA stability, and engine/inlet compatibility at high AOA.
it talks about the inlets here though. anyone got more info on this? -
What is the SU 33 maximum speed?
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Of course the F22 Raptor also can do kind of cobra maneuver .
Even Su27 without TVC also can do it, The F22 with much powerful engines sure no problem -
mig 29 i am not so sure . . .for the rafale, i have seen it doing a very high aoa flight. Mainly due to its canards. And for the rafale, it has an attachment to the nozzle which directs thrust a little, somewhat like thrust vectoring, but not quite there yet. Maybe i will look into the mig 29 and i will try to find out more about its cobra maneuver.Originally posted by sgFish:hmm...but how bout the MiG-29? If i'm not wrong it can perform the cobra maneuver, however it is not equipped with thrust vectoring nozzles. The MiG-29 has the ability to generate a tremendous pitch rate without changing the vector of flight, enabling it to do the maneuver, so thrust vectoring can't be the only factor that determines whether an aircraft can perform that or not. But there must be something these russian aircraft have that western ones don't right...
taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev%27s_Cobra
Cobra is a demonstration of an airplane's pitch control authority, high AOA stability, and engine/inlet compatibility at high AOA.
it talks about the inlets here though. anyone got more info on this? -
ok from what i read, the mig 29's cobra that we see is actually called the hook or tailslide. Basicly it changes its AOA from a close to level flight, although some people claim that it is more of a 30 degrees climb, until the airspeed drops to 0, then they drop the nose back to horizontal altituse, and accelerates off.
Here is a little discription from a person who was taking a ride in a mig 29.
"We then rolled over and did a "Split S" to a lower altitude into a "7.5 G loop",
followed by an "Emmelman", a "climbing turn", then the famous "Cobra"
maneuver where the MIG flies at the same altitude but in a vertical position.
He then recovered and flew the plane straight up, pulled back, both engines
reached "0" air speed where upon we slid back on our tail in a vertical position.
We then "brought-in" both engines, first the left, then the right.
That was the "tail slide". " -
Nice Su34 Tactical Striker vedio clip :
http://www.xplanefreeware.net/~jim/Su-34/Su34(800x600).wmv
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