Malaysia To Take Delivery Of Submarines In 2009
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If there is no problems / delays , RMN submarines might reach their operational status by 2012 onwards.
Malaysia To Take Delivery Of Submarines In 2009
From Jamaluddin Muhamad
CHERBOURG (France), June 11 (Bernama) -- Malaysia will take delivery of its two Scorpene submarines in 2009, Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said here.
He said one of the submarines was expected to arrive in the country in the middle of that year and the other at the end.
Najib, who is also Defence Minister, said the construction of the two submarines was proceeding according to schedule, with 35 per cent of work completed.
He spoke to Malaysian journalists after a visit to the construction site at the DCN dock here, about 300 km from Paris, yesterday.
The two submarines are being built jointly by DCN International, the French shipbuilder, and Izar, the Spanish shipbuilder.
Although the first of the submarines could be ready in early 2009, delivery would only take place in the middle of the year after personnel from the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) had completed their training in handling the craft, he said.
Seventy RMN personnel have just started training at the Malaysian Submarine School at the DCN marine base in Brest, about 500 km from Paris.
"The submarine programme enables Malaysia, as a maritime and trading nation, to have the additional capacity required of the RMN.
"Submarines have the force multiplier not found in ordinary vessels. It gives high deterrent value to the country," said Najib.
He also said that the government would not compromise on the quality and the four-year period of training for the RMN personnel who would handle the submarines.
He said the government would not be too anxious to take delivery of the submarines though they would be ready in early 2009.
Asked about media reports that the submarines were scheduled to be completed in 2008, Najib said: "The construction is proceeding according to schedule and they will be completed on schedule. Only the training of the personnel has been delayed a little, due to a delay in the signing of the agreement on the training."
Najib said only 31 crew was required to handle a Scorpene, the world's most sophisticated conventional submarine.
Overall, a total of 156 personnel would undergo training, he said, adding that the additional number was to accommodate the manpower needs of the submarine unit.
Najib also said that the trainees would be given three weeks of leave after every four months of training, contrary to the provision of the original contract where they would be allowed leave only after every eight months of training.
He also said that the government was looking into the payment of a special allowance for submarine crew.
Earlier, Najib visited the RMN trainees in Brest and joined them for Friday prayers at the school.
Nine RMN officers are monitoring the construction of the submarines in Cherbourg.
Asked for the names of the submarines, Najib said they were under consideration. He said the submarines would be based in Teluk Sepanggar in Sabah.
Meanwhile, DCN International Programme Director for the Malaysian submarines project, Philippe Novelli, told Malaysian journalists the forward and hull parts of the two submarines were being built here and the aft part in Cartegena, Spain.
The final assembly for the first submarine would be done here and the final assembly for the second submarine in Cartegena. Construction of the submarines began in 2003 after the Malaysian government finalised the contract to purchase them in June 2002.
Novelli said the diesel- and electric-powered submarines would be equipped with Black Shark torpedoes and SM-99 guided missiles which could be launched from below water.
"They are able to handle anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare," he said.
DCN International provides transfer of technology through training, which includes simulator and a refurbished Agosta submarine used as a platform for training. The Agosta is similar to the Scorpene submarine. The Scorpene's overall length is 66.4 metres and it has a maximum speed of 20 knots and underwater endurance of 45 days.
Also present during Najib's visit were Chief of Navy Admiral Datuk Illyas Mohd Din and Malaysia's Ambassador to France Datuk Hamidah Mohd Yusoff.
Later, Najib attended a reception with the Malaysian community here.
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Based on this report, if the length of MY's Scorpenes overall length is 66.4 metres , then they should be Scorpene Basic which mean non-AIP subs.
The other two variants are Scorpene Basic AIP is 76.2m long and the Scorpene Compact is 59.4m. -
The effectiveness of all military hardwares depend much on the peoples
who operate it.Their sub may be 1 or 2 generation advanced than ours.
But how about the quality of peoples inside it?
Corruptions in their police may be the mirror of Malaysia armed force. -
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special mentally capable crew must also be selected.
crews must be fast and sharp. corruption is a no no here. a low quality battery is out of the question. cannot save this type of money even for sapre parts.
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well, then they have to match salaries of singapore. afterall its damn risky to be in submarine in the straits of malacca.Originally posted by lionnoisy:The effectiveness of all military hardwares depend much on the peoples
who operate it.Their sub may be 1 or 2 generation advanced than ours.
But how about the quality of peoples inside it?
Corruptions in their police may be the mirror of Malaysia armed force. -
Crew quality is the most important factor that would decide the effectiveness of the submarine force. For those who are familiar with sub operation, attention must be given to every single details in operating a sub. U would need a highly motivated and disciplined crew to manned a deadly underwater weaponary system. The knowledge on the sea is very critical in "hiding" the sub from sonar as well.
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Well, when they take delivery of their subs, we'd actually be at a slight disadvantage. Their probably already trying to build an acoustic profile of our subs. By then, we probably still dunno what theirs sound like.
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The helicopter is equipped with a Sikorsky sonobuoy launcher on the port side of the cabin, an ARR-84 receiver, an UYS-1 acoustic processing unit and an ARN-146 on top position indicator which indicates the position over a submerged submarine. The towed magnetic anomaly detector is the AN/ASQ-81 (V)2 supplied by Raytheon.
The helicopter carries two Mark 46 torpedoes or Mark 50 ALT Advanced Lightweight Torpedoes from Honeywell.
our heli to counter them
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sounds like we are squeezing our own sour grapes
seriously, i was really wondering why singapore wants to buy 2nd-hand subs.
you can't discount that 2 4th generation subs can wreck havoc on shipping lines.
Challenger class subs are meant for conventional sub warfare. Scorpene can do silent sail very well... compared to noisy 2nd generation subs we are using. It does worries us abit on their AIP capabilities. Imagine 2 scorpene silent sail into our waters and cruise missiles launched from the coast of Sentosa -
I guess you did not read thru this thread, the detail are in pg 2.Originally posted by fartboystinks:sounds like we are squeezing our own sour grapes
seriously, i was really wondering why singapore wants to buy 2nd-hand subs.
you can't discount that 2 4th generation subs can wreck havoc on shipping lines.
Challenger class subs are meant for conventional sub warfare. Scorpene can do silent sail very well... compared to noisy 2nd generation subs we are using. It does worries us abit on their AIP capabilities. Imagine 2 scorpene silent sail into our waters and cruise missiles launched from the coast of Sentosa
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Yes.
Imagine you are one of the 33 standing on deck as you sail past the CVN.Salutes all round man..
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Hear!! hear!!!Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yes.
Imagine you are one of the 33 standing on deck as you sail past the CVN.Salutes all round man.. -
Operating an effective and deadly submarine forces is very complicated task. I dun think the RMN could easily bring up the combat standard of their scopene sub in just 1 - 2 years. From the time they take in their first sub in 2009, the submarine crew will nedd 1 -2 years to horn their scale and come out with all their underwater combat tactics. Their tech will also need about at least bare minimum 2-3 years to master the technology behind the submarine. They would also need to chart out the water in the South China Sea and Meleka Straits. But I think our sub has already all these task already.
More importantly, we can do our own underwater combat drills to trial new tactics using our 4 sub. The 5th spare sub would alos our tech / engrs to familiarise with the sub technology for faster repair time and more reliability. In addition, we can try out some new innovative tech (eg AIP, new sonar, propulsion, combat system, stealth technologies) using the spare sub as well.