Bull-Pup vs. Conventional
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They still picked the A4 which comes in burst rather than full-auto. And I doubt they would be replacing them anytime soon.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Anyway...anyone has anything to say about the use of 3 round burst settings on automatic weapons?feel that its pretty useless...as most operators will select the mode to be in SEMI or AUTO.read somewhere that US miitary is also doing away with the 3-round burst function.
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Wah lao 3x nia.. of course not enuff.Originally posted by tvdog:I used the sharpshooter's scope once.
We were deployed at the beach and some angmo girls in bikinis were waterskiing. We all took turns to have a look through the section shaprshooter's scope.
Damn, all I can say is magnification not enough!
My monocular alone is 10x liao... better than sharpshooter scope.
In the US, they were selling 27x sniper scopes for like USD$80++ -
Good luck finding a US$80 27X riflescope that will hold its zero after you fire the first shot...Originally posted by Shotgun:In the US, they were selling 27x sniper scopes for like USD$80++
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The 3rd burst pack on the M16A2, and so on is a joke. It will not reset for 3 rd everytime. What I meant to say is if during one burst you fire 2 rd, the next burst will be 1 rd , than a reset will be done and you'll get a 3 rd burst after that.
I feel it is a waste of time becasue a control burst , we can achieve a good 2 to 3 rd all the time with ease.
Besides, becasue of the spring tension on the trigger mechanism, the 3 rd burst kit on the M16 created 3 different spring tension .. thus we have 3 type of trigger pull in semi auto shoot !
I would go with the std M16 trigger , Semi, FA than the POS burst kit.
The Heckler Koch MP5 trigger is completely differnt and do not pocess this problems.
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THis is what happens when you try to improve something that's already perfect.Originally posted by davechng:The 3rd burst pack on the M16A2, and so on is a joke. It will not reset for 3 rd everytime. What I meant to say is if during one burst you fire 2 rd, the next burst will be 1 rd , than a reset will be done and you'll get a 3 rd burst after that.
I feel it is a waste of time becasue a control burst , we can achieve a good 2 to 3 rd all the time with ease.
Besides, becasue of the spring tension on the trigger mechanism, the 3 rd burst kit on the M16 created 3 different spring tension .. thus we have 3 type of trigger pull in semi auto shoot !
I would go with the std M16 trigger , Semi, FA than the POS burst kit.
DaveC!
But, really, I would've thought that they have learnt with the M16A2 that 3-round burst is not good. And most of the time I come across people saying that US soldiers themselves hated the 3-round burst.
Is this true?
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Hmmmz....personally feel that the Fully Automatic mode is better then the 3 round burst mode. The Fully Automatic mode allows the user to fire controlled bursts and if the need arises,hold down the trigger and empty the entire clip down range.The idea of having the 3 round burst is thus rather redundant
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Remember in FIBUA training where it is the only time you;re allowed to put your weapon to AUTO?
There is one part where the three of you is checking out a room with window closed. First man confirms enemy presence inside room and prepares grenade.
After the explosion you're supposed to stick your weapon through the window spray the room to catch anyone still standing.
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haha,rapid squeezing of the trigger?Originally posted by tvdog:Remember in FIBUA training where it is the only time you;re allowed to put your weapon to AUTO?
There is one part where the three of you is checking out a room with window closed. First man confirms enemy presence inside room and prepares grenade.
After the explosion you're supposed to stick your weapon through the window spray the room to catch anyone still standing.
With a 3-round burst how are you going to spray a room? -
fully auto not that good uh....Originally posted by SpecOps87:Hmmmz....personally feel that the Fully Automatic mode is better then the 3 round burst mode. The Fully Automatic mode allows the user to fire controlled bursts and if the need arises,hold down the trigger and empty the entire clip down range.The idea of having the 3 round burst is thus rather redundant
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geee.. i think they changed that part of fibua... From what i heard, they changed to controlled fire. No more spray in "X".
as for the US $80 27x Scope... well it was hanging at one of the walmart or walgreens when I was in Springfield, Illinois. -
burst of 3 was featured in Halo 2 for the assualt rifle(new one)....
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Naaa, the model it after the MA5B assualt rifle, but the battle rifle fires a heavier 9.8mm round with a magazine capacity for 36 rounds, as opposed to a 60 round clip of 7.62mm for the MA5B.Originally posted by ceecookie:burst of 3 was featured in Halo 2 for the assualt rifle(new one)....
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Don't know about other units, but we were trained to double-tap in FIBUA. Damn, if you went full-auto for each room, you'd run out of ammo before you cleared a building.
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Yepp. Fast triggering , single shots, was recommended for FIBUA during my time. Only time "auto" is used, is if for covering fire or to flush out hidden snipers.Originally posted by Gedanken:Don't know about other units, but we were trained to double-tap in FIBUA. Damn, if you went full-auto for each room, you'd run out of ammo before you cleared a building.
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This is addressed to Specfore only:
A long burst but less than 8 rounds. No one said to empty the whole magazine. Besides, you don't want to expose yourself for too long.
Besides, this routine is used only when there is CONFIRMED enemy. That's why you throw a grenade in the first place. We do not throw grenades into every room nor do we fire blindly into every empty room.
So if there are confirmed enemies inside a room, I do not consider this a waste of ammo. After tossing a grenade in there is no guarantee all enemies are killed. Or some could come from other connecting rooms. The practice of firing a couple of bursts before you go in is so that anyone still alive will be encouraged to keep their heads down as you go in.
We are infantry, not SWAT.
Don't expect niceties or finese in our methods.
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Ack! I didn't mean to resurrect an ancient thread, but I thought you guys might be interested in my latest AR build:
This particular AR features a Rock River Arms upper assembly with a 16" bull barrel and midlength handguards. The lower assembly was built from a DPMS forged receiver and RRA internals, and features a 2-stage match trigger that I've modified to break at approximately 1.5 lbs.
The holosight atop the EOP handle is a standard el-cheapo BSA "red dot" unit with a 30mm tube. It works pretty well (I was getting 4" groups at 100 yards), and should tide me over until I dredge up the funds for a more sophisticated set of optics.
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Actually you can get some pretty accurate shots with the present sharpshooter scopes on the stock M16S1, you just need to get used to it.
Let's face it, since the M16S1 is good out to 300m anyway, what's the point of a 27x or even a 10x scope? In combat, your main aim (pardon the pun) is to bring the target down, not have a nice 3cm grouping.
And for those of you who have tried combat shooting, i.e. running, dodging, finding cover and then aiming, you'd realize you don't really have all that much time to find the target, not to mention the heavy breathing that causes your rifle to point all over the place. The 27x scope will not allow you to find the target quickly enough before he plugs you with iron sights!
A sniper is different. He often can take all day to slowly get into position, take up a nice comfortable position, have a spoter next to him to direct him on to target, adjust for wind and drop then shoot one rond through the head of an officer or signaller. Much different from the infantry guy charging up and down a hill or running through buildings.
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Come on throw in a range reportOriginally posted by Meia Gisborn:Ack! I didn't mean to resurrect an ancient thread, but I thought you guys might be interested in my latest AR build:
This particular AR features a Rock River Arms upper assembly with a 16" bull barrel and midlength handguards. The lower assembly was built from a DPMS forged receiver and RRA internals, and features a 2-stage match trigger that I've modified to break at approximately 1.5 lbs.
The holosight atop the EOP handle is a standard el-cheapo BSA "red dot" unit with a 30mm tube. It works pretty well (I was getting 4" groups at 100 yards), and should tide me over until I dredge up the funds for a more sophisticated set of optics.
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MG don't mind me asking, is it possible to use a 9mm heavy buffer spring for shooting 5.56mm?
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I like the conventional set up. bull pup looks nice but i think reloading will take really long... and in combat, those seconds count alot.
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Huh? Range report? What's there to report? I pulled the trigger, the rifle went BANG, the bullet hit the paper, I was happy!Originally posted by Raptor937:Come on throw in a range report
MG don't mind me asking, is it possible to use a 9mm heavy buffer spring for shooting 5.56mm?
Any 9mm builds?
Okay, here's a brief RR:
Since this was a new rifle, I needed to perform that wretched "barrel break-in" routine (shoot 10 rounds, pausing between each shot to clean the bore, then shoot 100 rounds, pausing every 10 rounds to clean the bore). I was shooting my tried-and-tested 55 gr. handloads that I normally use in my ARs with 1-in-9 twist barrels (my 24" varmint AR has a 1-in-8" twist barrel, and gets fed a different diet of handloads).
I also managed to zero the regular iron sights during the break-in. Very little windage correction was needed on the rear sight, indicating that the barrel was indexed correctly into the upper receiver, with no inadvertent offset to tilt the front sight base. Some other ARs, particulary the Bushmasters, have their barrels overtorqued into the upper receiver at the factory, resulting in a tilted front sight base and requiring massive amounts of left windage correction in the rear sight to properly zero.
No misfeeds or jams were encountered during the break-in, and the rifle was consistently holding sub-4" groups at 100 yards with the iron sights towards the end of the break-in. I was initially worried that the modifications I made to lighten the trigger pull of the 2-stage match trigger might cause the rifle to "double" or even go full auto, but that didn't happen.
After the break-in, I mounted the red dot sight and zeroed it. It's a cheap unit and I consider it disposable, but it held its zero surprisingly well through repeated double and triple taps. I planning on replacing it with a Hakko TacPoint red dot sight eventually.
A heavier buffer spring has the effect of mitigating the felt recoil somewhat, but can potentially lead to misfeeds if it prevents the bolt carrier from cycling completely, especially if a cartridge with less-than-normal powder is encountered.
Using a heavier buffer (not spring) like the H-buffer intended for the 9mm version also has the effect of mitigating felt recoil and reducing the cyclic rate in full-auto fire.
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