BREAKING NEWS! F-15T WON!
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this replacement exercise just to tide over until JSF is ready for delivery?
If so, then it makes sense to go for the cheapest buy. Anyway, that's always been SAF's buying strategy, buy old and cheap machines and get ST to mod all the systems. -
ya... i know... but you should really ask the fella who claimed that the malaysian MKM dont have thrust vectoring... he probably can give you a better idea than i can... since i am offering only second hand information.Originally posted by foxtrout8:I dun think there is any official statement about it.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?s=d56300b0f6c4fb7fd80c3e7665ad7b83&t=30304
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Na beh... this call breaking news.
For the past year we all had the feeling that this will be like south korea... -
by the way... while alot of websites claimed that malaysia MKM will be getting the canards and watever bulls....
in reality... no one really knows... most of them are merely copycats of each others article...
so you should really check it out with that guy... -
win ah win ah i winOriginally posted by zquek:Na beh... this call breaking news.
For the past year we all had the feeling that this will be like south korea... -
probably not. if it was, we'd prolly get more F-16s, maybe the block 60 E/F versions..more commonality, easier to maintain, etc.Originally posted by Zooish:Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this replacement exercise just to tide over until JSF is ready for delivery?
If so, then it makes sense to go for the cheapest buy. Anyway, that's always been SAF's buying strategy, buy old and cheap machines and get ST to mod all the systems.
but its not. -
this is a nice site on the SU-30...
worth a look... not all SU-30 AF-31 engines are VTCs and malaysias SU-30MKM is actually a SU-30MK... just for your information... lots of stuffs...
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/archive/index.php/t-1101.html -
stop! stop! stop looking at the plane..maybe the gahment is looking at the whole package? Eh..got free training lehh..also comes with bundled are
200 AIM-120 Amraam and 200 AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to air missiles, 50 GBU-38 Joint Direct Attack Munitions and 30 AGM-154A Joint Stand-off Weapons, both armed with BLU-111 warheads, and 30 unitary warhead-equipped AGM-154Cs. Singapore has also requested 24 Link 16 multifunctional information distribution system low-volume terminals and 44 AVS-9(V) night vision goggles.
so so so.. which other country have such weapons? airplanes are just a platform for delievery. without good weapons and training is as good as quack quack. -
last post for tonight... sleepy man...
Malaysia Buys 18 Sukhois in RM3.4b Deal
it could be fitted with the AL-31FP... but its not... instead.. it is fitted with the AL-31F (NON VTC version)
KUALA LUMPUR, May 19 (2:22pm): The Government today announced its purchase of 18 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-30MKM Flanker fighter jets for the Royal Malaysian Air Force, under a package deal worth US$900 million (RM3,42 billion).
Making the announcement, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said that the deal proper would be made towards the yearÂ’s end, possibly during the proposed visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“We have agreed in principle on the technical specifications of the aircraft and the financial aspects of the purchase," he told a packed Press conference at Wisma Pertahanan in Jalan Padang Tembak. "There are other formalities, including the direct and indirect offset packages, to be settled with."
Also present at the Press conference was NajibÂ’s Russian counterpart Sergey Ivanov who is on a three-day visit here.
The 18 jets, specially customised to Malaysian specifications (thus the “MKM”), would be delivered the earliest by 2006.
“We selected the Su-30MKM because it fulfilled the RMAF's requirements of an advanced, multi-role combat aircraft to enhance its capabilities," he said. "The purchase is also part of RMAF's modernisation."
Najib said Russia would look into the possibility of helping RMAF upgrade its two squadrons of 18 MiG-29N, purchased in 1994.
“At the same time, we will also seek technical support from India, for both the MiGs and Sukhois, another major operator of the Russian jets,” he said.
Welcoming RussiaÂ’s cooperation to develop the countryÂ’s defence and anti-terrorism capabilities, Najib said there was avenue for Malaysia to exchange intelligence and information on these issues.
Malaysia is also expected to purchase a similar number of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets from Boeing of the United States.
Should both the Su-30MKM and Super Hornet deals materialise, it would make the RMAF one of the most modern outfits in the world.
The Su-30MKM, an upgraded version of the Su-27, is powered by two AL-31F turbofan engines, designed by the Lyulka Engine Design Bureau (NPO Saturn). It could also be fitted with the AL-31FP engine with thrust-vectoring nozzles, just like those fitted to the MKI variants currently operated by the Indian Air Force.
The aircraft could be equipped with a 30mm GSh-301 gun with 150 rounds of ammunition and a range of missiles, rockets and bombs mounted externally on 14 hardpoints.
These include the air-to-air missiles carried by the aircraft includes: R-27R1 (NATO designation AA-10A Alamo-A), all-aspect medium-range missile with semi-active radar homing and R-27T1 (AA-10B Alamo-B) with infrared homing and a range from 0.5 to 60km; and R-73E (AA-11 Archer) all-aspect, close-combat air-to-air missile with infra-red homing and a range from 0.3 to 20km.
ItÂ’s systems include infrared search and track system, laser range-finder, radar, and helmet-mounted target designator provide detection, tracking and attack capability.
Ivanov said that his deputy Mikhail Dmitriev, who accompanied him, was leading a high-level military and technical delegation to iron out the finer details in the Sukhoi purchase programme for Malaysia.
“These include legalities, and terms and conditions on after-sales and support services to ensure the continued serviceability of the aircraft," he said.
Also to be discussed are the research and development, and transfer of technology facilities. The major purchase conditions were agreed upon by both parties.
Malaysia and Russia would, over the next few days, be involved in talks here on defence industry cooperation which includes trade of hardware, research and development, training and military exercises.
The aircraft purchase is a culmination of the visit by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad to Moscow several years ago, according to Ivanov.
The aircraft purchase package, although not large, is very significant for a long-term business partnership and other bilateral deals between both countries, including that of space technology.
“For Malaysia, I believe the purchase will attach great promise to develop the country’s economy, now that Malaysian-Russian trade is on the increase,” he said.
On RussiaÂ’s perception of the terrorist threat in Malaysia, Ivanov said Malaysia has a sound security and stable political climate that encouraged countries like Russia to do business here.
“I am satisfied with the current situation and convinced of the counter-terrorism efforts undertaken by your government," he said. "On our part, we are prepared to assist Malaysia in this aspect, including providing training and conducting joint military exercises."
One of the proposals was for the Royal Malaysian Navy to participate in joint exercises in the Indian Ocean where Russia has a large fleet presence.
Ivanov said Russia, along with China and several central Asian countries, had set up international anti-terrorism centres to that effect.(Source: The New Straits Times Online)
weird... no R-77 mentioned....
i thought they sure buy R-77 this time round?
oh... well... feel free to correct me if i am wrong...
but for now... my conclusion is...
1... no VTC..
2... if based on SU-27.. then probably no canards as well....
3... no R-77
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:rolleyes not final proof that Singapore wants the F-15T but the incompetent decision making of the RSAF has been demonstrated time & again & everybody knows that 'free trade' is usually determined largely by US lobbying power.
From some Morrocan person. -
how many wars have this plane F15 seen action?
iraq iran war?
1991 gulf war
2003 iraq war
and casualties?
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The last time I heard cheap and cheerful being used was on Top Gear and they were talking about the proton perodua.Originally posted by huaichien:The Gripen is the modern day version of the F-5, simple, cheap and cheerful fighter for the budget conscious.
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It's better to overestimate your potential adversaries rather then to underestimate them.
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if the israelis don't see a problem with their vipers and Ra'ams .... i don't think we should be too worried .... they are even more kiasu and kiasi than us ....
in anycase .... read the announcement again ... is that really a confirmation ? ...
i don't really think so ... it looks like more smoke to me .... they've probably finished negotiations with dassault that's why ...
(methinks the RSAF actually wants the rafale ... but is throwing a bit of smoke to squeeze the frogs for further discounts .... ) -
I can see China snubbing Singapore.
They kept on trying to strengthen ties with M'sia and Indonesia , kicking us aside in the process -
sad day for SG...
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I have a feeling this was decided from day 1.
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agreed.. d rest was all dramarama..Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:I have a feeling this was decided from day 1. -
i just want to see RSAF come clean with the result of the competition and shows us the reason why F-15T won...
it would only be fair to everyone...
if F-15T really is the superioir fighter plane... then i think we will come to accept the choices made by RSAF. -
In the first place, I don't think we'll be getting the very first orders for the F-35. The Yanks and the Brits will be getting it first - it'll be years before we can get our hands on it.Originally posted by Zooish:Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this replacement exercise just to tide over until JSF is ready for delivery?
If so, then it makes sense to go for the cheapest buy. Anyway, that's always been SAF's buying strategy, buy old and cheap machines and get ST to mod all the systems.
Besides, from what I've read, the JSF program has been running into problems... no clear design goals, lack of direction, limited fuel and weapons capacity.... expect to wait really long for the JSF to finally roll out. -
There's a difference...Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Temasek just invested $10 billion dollar USD which is 10 TIMES the amount for NGF into Chinese banks.
No Money?
Money should be their last excuse.
Temasek is temasek leh, basically it's a big garment fund house that uses your CPF.
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I think u all make a mistake. The deal is not final yet.
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Firstly, I feel that the main reason why the F-15 was selected was that it could fit its deep strike capability into the whole RSAF air umbrella and do so seamlessly.
With the Viper as our mainstay fighter, the F-15 will be meant for a much more highly specialised role.Think about it.. -
Yes.Deep strike.sgFish was right...looking at it now, our Vipers are pretty much the top dog in A2A and with the F-15T, we have the ability to have our own dedicated bomber fleet.Originally posted by tripwire:you want to see NGF, go to asian aerospace 2006... sure have one...
but RSAF needs planes that can fit the missions it requires.... and somehow... it appears that they are looking for deep penetrators.... with loads of bombs...
kinda like the SBS double decker... same number of pilot... but can lugs alot more explosives...
The engine thrust of the F-15T is the most powerful in the market, making it suitable for deep penetration and quick evasion and escape. -
As I say again, the competition is still on. "In the process of seeking final clarifications and contract negotiation with Boeing" mean the negotiation is final for Boeing. Mindef need to have 2 final contract in order to decide which to sign.
In response to media queries on the status of the SAFÂ’s Next Fighter Replacement Programme (NFRP), a spokesperson said that MINDEF is now in the process of seeking final clarifications and contract negotiation with Boeing.