Aussie using SAR-21.
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That Aussie on the right sure looks abit out of shape.
BTW, why no one Fcuk the Aussie civi helpers, don't SAF NCO and Officers could be charged for allowing that ? -
Not sure about the blackeye on the recoil...Originally posted by lwflee:Got this rule meh? No one told me!
Logical though - Otherwise the recoil will give you a black eye everytime you fire!
Proves that i am a thinking soldier. I used the scope correctly w/o being told how to
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Its not possible to bring ur eye right next to the scope... it would result in a very awkward posture. Cos the Sar-21 is a bullpup, the posturing is very different from the M-16. Its a bit more hunched and elbow's more closed...so trying to put ur eye nearer to the scope.. well would probably mean u have a very long neck. Or an aching one after that -
I thought I saw a malaysia flag on the arm of one of those guys???
May be trying to sell SAR 21 to them loh. ST can make money. -
Because it's a magnified scope, there is a optimal focusing distance. Nearer than that, the picture that one see is not complete, i.e., edge is missing. Further than that, the picture presented is too small. So it is typically more reflexive for your eye to focus at the same particular position. Play with it next time, you get a feel for it.Originally posted by Shotgun:Not sure about the blackeye on the recoil...
Its not possible to bring ur eye right next to the scope... it would result in a very awkward posture. Cos the Sar-21 is a bullpup, the posturing is very different from the M-16. Its a bit more hunched and elbow's more closed...so trying to put ur eye nearer to the scope.. well would probably mean u have a very long neck. Or an aching one after that
Physics lah, it's not as much as for blackeye. -
Is it? My time my S3 asked us commanders to remove.Originally posted by pqr:they have allow it since few years ago...
active NSF can confirm -
Your S3's a stick in the mud then - probably some scholar type who always coloured within the lines as a child. As far back as 1991 I was wearing sunnies in the field.Originally posted by Shigemichi Take:Is it? My time my S3 asked us commanders to remove. -
So its more to do with the weapon being fool-proof and less to do with my natural potential to be a thinking soldier then? ...Originally posted by Shotgun:Not sure about the blackeye on the recoil...
Its not possible to bring ur eye right next to the scope... it would result in a very awkward posture. Cos the Sar-21 is a bullpup, the posturing is very different from the M-16. Its a bit more hunched and elbow's more closed...so trying to put ur eye nearer to the scope.. well would probably mean u have a very long neck. Or an aching one after that
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In a way u can say that. Like mentioned, there is a optimal distance to place ur eye behind the scope. Too far and u cant really see... cos the sight picture would shift too drastically. Its supposed to be a very natural position once u are accustomed to it.
Fool-proof? Well I'm not sure. Ideally the SAR-21 is supposed to be weapon where u can just pick up and use without care for individual zeroing. Eg, ur buddy die, ur weapon jam, use ur buddy's one first. Haha.
Question is, how does having an idiot proof weapon contradict the notion of having a thinking soldier? In fact, i think it helps a soldier to thiink rather than making him dumber. When u have a reliable, and easy to use weapon, the soldier can concentrate on "fighting" rather than thinking of how to use his weapon. -
when you're reluctantly thrown into a foreign country, you could care less.Originally posted by MobyDog:That Aussie on the right sure looks abit out of shape.
BTW, why no one Fcuk the Aussie civi helpers, don't SAF NCO and Officers could be charged for allowing that ? -
Recoil giving you a black eye?
If you're an experienced shooter your whole body moves with the recoil.
Black eye scenario is only possible if you are not holding the weapon properly. And have the intelligence of a door knob.
Hey, did anyone notice that all the troops are wearing SAF webbing? They look like they barely fit them.
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Indeed? Is the point of the shoulder where the butt sits perfectly rigid? One would be hard-pressed to imagine that the muscle tissue in the deltoid lacks the hardness of a brick, and therefore some shift occurs when the force of recoil is applied to it. This applies to a greater extent with sniper rifles, but even with an automatic weapon the weapon will shift slightly.Originally posted by tvdog:If you're an experienced shooter your whole body moves with the recoil.
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Heh. I still think the likeliness of getting a black eye from scopes is very low.
First of all, scopes dont work if u plaster ur eye to it. So there is definitely a minimal distance in order to look thru it properly.
2nd of all, the cheek is supposed to be resting on the weapon. THe recoil will probably gently push ur cheek together with ur entire body back a bit.
My prev unit had one super lai jiao CPT that always tell us to bring our nose such that it touches the charging handle of our m-16. It works fairly well, tho we were concerned that the recoil will wack our nose, or wadever.
According to him, and I've personally tried and proven, that the recoil wont do that to u. At least if its not a sniper rifle i guess -
is that stryer Aug? Malaysian Aussie and NZ uses Aug too.
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No...Originally posted by banzie:is that stryer Aug? Malaysian Aussie and NZ uses Aug too.
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GOM permits it.Originally posted by Shigemichi Take:Is it? My time my S3 asked us commanders to remove. -
If you notice, all the soldiers in the pictures are from Armies also using Bull-pups with scope back home.
So i guess that's why they can't be bothered to bring in theirs. haha.
As for wearing shades. GOM permits it but at the same time very vague about it.
remember the SAF dress code said that shades is allowed except during training.
But the next paragraphs says that Vocations where visual acuity is important (pilot, etc), then shades are not allowed.
Obviously pilots don't wear shades during flying, but it will be redundant to say pilots are not allowed to wear shades which implies that shades are allowed during training.
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During NSF times. My platoon, ie recce platoon, was required to have eyes protection while riding on our open, windscreenless recce jeep. We can either get those big ugly safety googles or wear glasses. So we all opted for those cool, dark sunglasses. Was really quite a sight, a convoy of recce jeeps with all inhabitants wearing shades.
Nighttime, we just have to use those ugly safety googles. 
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I think D&G has some nicer ones, can go and take a look... Supposedly shatter proof.