Steyr rifles to be phased out
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of cos not when loaded lah. but there no mag so how u feel unsafe when unloaded? misfiredOriginally posted by Meia Gisborn:What if it were? Would you feel comfortable being around an individual who exercises poor trigger discipline while wielding a loaded firearm?
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There's no mag in the rifle, but can you be sure there's also no cartridge in the chamber?Originally posted by martin_lim85:of cos not when loaded lah. but there no mag so how u feel unsafe when unloaded? misfired
Bad habits developed outside of the range can very easily bite you in the rear at the most inopportune times, like when you're handling a loaded firearm at the range. Again, there's no guarantee that a person who casually fingers a trigger on an unloaded firearm will not do likewise with a loaded one. I've seen my share of negligent discharges at the range caused by harebrained shooters accidentally fingering the trigger on a loaded firearm, and the results are usually not pretty, especially if the firearm wasn't pointed downrange when it discharged.
For your edification, these are the Four Rules of Firearm Safety that are held sacrosanct by responsible firearm owners here:
Rule 1 - Treat all firearms as always loaded.
There are no exceptions to this rule. Assume that all firearms are loaded until you have verified otherwise.
Rule 2 - Never allow a firearm to point at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Experience has shown that this is the easiest rule to violate. More than half of the fatal firearms accidents are a result of neglecting safety rules 1 and 2.
Rule 3 - Keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until your sights are on target.
This rule is conspicuously absent in many firearms training programs and is particularly important to staying safe while carrying a firearm under stress, while moving, etc.
Rule 4 - Be sure of your target and what lies beyond. -
say so many also wasted, cos its for show nia for sure theres no cartridge in the chamber one.Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:There's no mag in the rifle, but can you be sure there's also no cartridge in the chamber?
Bad habits developed outside of the range can very easily bite you in the rear at the most inopportune times, like when you're handling a loaded firearm at the range. Again, there's no guarantee that a person who casually fingers a trigger on an unloaded firearm will not do likewise with a loaded one. I've seen my share of negligent discharges at the range caused by harebrained shooters accidentally fingering the trigger on a loaded firearm, and the results are usually not pretty, especially if the firearm wasn't pointed downrange when it discharged.
For your edification, these are the Four Rules of Firearm Safety that are held sacrosanct by responsible firearm owners here:
Rule 1 - Treat all firearms as always loaded.
There are no exceptions to this rule. Assume that all firearms are loaded until you have verified otherwise.
Rule 2 - Never allow a firearm to point at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Experience has shown that this is the easiest rule to violate. More than half of the fatal firearms accidents are a result of neglecting safety rules 1 and 2.
Rule 3 - Keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until your sights are on target.
This rule is conspicuously absent in many firearms training programs and is particularly important to staying safe while carrying a firearm under stress, while moving, etc.
Rule 4 - Be sure of your target and what lies beyond. -
Remind me to keep well clear of you when you're handling a firearm.Originally posted by martin_lim85:say so many also wasted, cos its for show nia for sure theres no cartridge in the chamber one. 
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Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:Remind me to keep well clear of you when you're handling a firearm. haha dun worry in open house etc no SOP one for me but i ops/mission always on SOP for serious matter
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Rules are good. Keeps people from dying.
I think most of our NS guys are pretty good when it comes to safe handling of firearms. The smart ones will protect their weekends at all cost, the dumb ones will learn to handle firearms safely by protecting us from external threats on weekends. -
Originally posted by shotgun
Thats a good one! This way they will learn safe weapon handling one way or the other.
The smart ones will protect their weekends at all cost, the dumb ones will learn to handle firearms safely by protecting us from external threats on weekends
On a side note, there is a case of a live armbrust LAW being displayed in one of the Asian Aerospace exhibitions in the past, not sure if anyone can remember. Luckily, there were no accidents. So bottom line is always confirm, never assume.
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That was when AA was at PLAB.Originally posted by tankee1981:Thats a good one! This way they will learn safe weapon handling one way or the other.
On a side note, there is a case of a live armbrust LAW being displayed in one of the Asian Aerospace exhibitions in the past, not sure if anyone can remember. Luckily, there were no accidents. So bottom line is always confirm, never assume.
Somebody died from the backblast. The counterbalance plastic bits hit a bystander on the back, he died on the spot. The warhead, flew an upward ballistic curve and exploded on the runway.
Till date nobody knows who pulled the trigger. -
better to be safe than sorry. Every single weapon in my hands, will be checked thoroughly before entering the workshop.Originally posted by martin_lim85:say so many also wasted, cos its for show nia for sure theres no cartridge in the chamber one.
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That was a very unfortunate incident.In the world of weapon handling, nothing is left to chance. Check and double check, and for goodness sake ,take those fingers out of the trigger guard.Originally posted by touchstone_2000:That was when AA was at PLAB.
Somebody died from the backblast. The counterbalance plastic bits hit a bystander on the back, he died on the spot. The warhead, flew an upward ballistic curve and exploded on the runway.
Till date nobody knows who pulled the trigger.
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Hmmm... Maybe there was a cover-up.Originally posted by touchstone_2000:That was when AA was at PLAB.
Somebody died from the backblast. The counterbalance plastic bits hit a bystander on the back, he died on the spot. The warhead, flew an upward ballistic curve and exploded on the runway.
Till date nobody knows who pulled the trigger.
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Originally posted by touchstone_2000:
Thats weird. The armbrust LAW is designed to penetrate armour so the warhead is not explosive. Further more it is high velocity so it will fly straight without any curve, if it is aim up then the projectile should land in an downward curve instead of an upward one.
That was when AA was at PLAB.
Somebody died from the backblast. The counterbalance plastic bits hit a bystander on the back, he died on the spot. The warhead, flew an upward ballistic curve and exploded on the runway.
Till date nobody knows who pulled the trigger.
Anyway it is fortunate that the projectile did not hit anyone in the exhibition hall or many more will be killed as it can penetrate many bodies before hitting something tough enough to stop it. -
I'm surprised that someone in SAF was actually dumb enough to display a live LAW...
I guess common sense isn't common until something uncommonly bad enough happens to make it common.