Pedra Branca
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If M'sia goes to ICJ and wins back the island. How is SAF going to be affected? I know that RSAF has a dogfight range to the east of this island. Losing it will be a big blow. Access to south china sea will be affected as well.
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LOOSE tongue LOOSE island...
singapore sure will win one...
so lets keep quiet and wait for some gorrilla dance up north,once they loose their case before the ICJ -
if we loose, we will bomb that island...
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anyway...wheres is this pedra branca place? anyone can post a map of it?? onli noe its some island in the south china sea...
we wont lose... its juz the northerners juz tryin to gain another piece of land after successfully wrestling those islands from indonesia..
we have practised full sovereignity over pedra branca until those northern twits decided to meddle in our affairs...
we want to build stuff on it..bcos its our island!! who the fuck are u to ask??? .. not happy...wage a war on us !
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Why waste ordanance on that island? I believe the bombs will be of more use on KLOriginally posted by sgboy2004:if we loose, we will bomb that island...
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cool down... how on earth can someone get upset over something when they don't even know where on earth it is!Originally posted by kY|e-_-o:anyway...wheres is this pedra branca place? anyone can post a map of it?? onli noe its some island in the south china sea...
we wont lose... its juz the northerners juz tryin to gain another piece of land after successfully wrestling those islands from indonesia..
we have practised full sovereignity over pedra branca until those northern twits decided to meddle in our affairs...
we want to build stuff on it..bcos its our island!! who the fuck are u to ask??? .. not happy...wage a war on us ! don't act stupid lah...
the island lie near the easter entrance of the Sraits of Singapore. its basically a piece of rock in the middle of the ocean and Horsburg Lighthouse is built on one of its rocks.
the real-estate value of that piece of rock is zilch. the island is only valuable for the seas around it because it intersects a vital SLOC.
and since Horsburgh Lighthouse was constructed in 1851, Sg, as the admin capital of the Straits Settlements from 1832, the lighthouse was administered from here. after the war, the colony of Singapore continued to administer the lighthouse and the island.
well, the Malaysian argument is that the brits stole the island from the Johore sultanate... hmmm... funny it took them so long to notice that one of their islands had been stolen -
for KL, the bomb is reserved orediOriginally posted by Typhoon:Why waste ordanance on that island? I believe the bombs will be of more use on KL -
tat idiot even mentioned "short of going to war..." tmd, he think he big f***, use war to threaten...he never wash his f**king stinko mouth one meh...i think he need to change a brain
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Pulau Batu Putih (Pedra Branca Island) -
Malaysia GOT NO proof that pedra branca is part of johor... case close... they can balik kampong and makan pisang....Originally posted by CX:cool down... how on earth can someone get upset over something when they don't even know where on earth it is! don't act stupid lah...
the island lie near the easter entrance of the Sraits of Singapore. its basically a piece of rock in the middle of the ocean and Horsburg Lighthouse is built on one of its rocks.
the real-estate value of that piece of rock is zilch. the island is only valuable for the seas around it because it intersects a vital SLOC.
and since Horsburgh Lighthouse was constructed in 1851, Sg, as the admin capital of the Straits Settlements from 1832, the lighthouse was administered from here. after the war, the colony of Singapore continued to administer the lighthouse and the island.
well, the Malaysian argument is that the brits stole the island from the Johore sultanate... hmmm... funny it took them so long to notice that one of their islands had been stolen -
YesOriginally posted by tripwire:Malaysia GOT NO proof that pedra branca is part of johor... case close... they can balik kampong and makan pisang.... 
congratulation to them having won the ownership of 2 dispute islands but does that mean they gonna be arrogant over their winning by openly contesting singapore.Such a moronic bastard!! 
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anyone who's lived here for some time will know that they are merely making a political point in this... the case with Indonesia has heightened awareness and enboldened them somewhat... that much is certain.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:Yes congratulation to them having won the ownership of 2 dispute islands but does that mean they gonna be arrogant over their winning by openly contesting singapore.Such a moronic bastard!!
the politicians need to make some noise in response to the domestic audience or they lose votes and the opposition will try and score points. its merely political...
as for "proof", their's is a bunch of 500 year old maps of the Johore sultanate which shows that that piece of rock is part of their territory. but as administrative sovereignty has rested in Sg for over 150 years, it could be argued that they have effectively lost it when they failed to exercise effective sovereignty over it since 1851.
the recent case they won over Indonesia shows that Sg is really in a much stronger position to win this case then them if the same criteria was applied... ho hum... we'll just have to wait and see...
and come now... Mat-man said "short of war, there's really nothing we can do..." so what he really meant was, there's nothing they can do
but seriously... they have been saying that W word a lot lately... its not really healthy for bilateral ties...
could be that the recent arms acquisition has given them a distorted sense of armed might... it does look good suoerficially on paper... -
well... wat matman has said is indeed quite true... SHort of going to war.. there is nothing they can do about it....Originally posted by CX:anyone who's lived here for some time will know that they are merely making a political point in this... the case with Indonesia has heightened awareness and enboldened them somewhat... that much is certain.
the politicians need to make some noise in response to the domestic audience or they lose votes and the opposition will try and score points. its merely political...
as for "proof", their's is a bunch of 500 year old maps of the Johore sultanate which shows that that piece of rock is part of their territory. but as administrative sovereignty has rested in Sg for over 150 years, it could be argued that they have effectively lost it when they failed to exercise effective sovereignty over it since 1851.
the recent case they won over Indonesia shows that Sg is really in a much stronger position to win this case then them if the same criteria was applied... ho hum... we'll just have to wait and see...
and come now... Mat-man said "short of war, there's really nothing we can do..." so what he really meant was, there's nothing they can do
but seriously... they have been saying that W word a lot lately... its not really healthy for bilateral ties...
could be that the recent arms acquisition has given them a distorted sense of armed might... it does look good suoerficially on paper...
BUT... i think even going to war is not an option for malaysia in view of its military, industrial, economic and geopolitical weakness...
Going to war.. is gonna hurt malaysia big time... not only will they NOT get pedra branca.. they could jolly well loose the entire state of JOHOR to SAF... not to mention all those malaysian cities up in smoke and fire from RSAF napalms....
Mat man... may be old and senile... BUT unfortunately for us... he aint stupid enough to hand JOHOR to us by starting a war on pedra branca... a war ... that they could not win to begin with...
If ever Mat man do go to war with singapore over pedra branca... Singapore has an obligation to see that Mat man.. be declared as a hero of singapore and be given the highest medal of honor... the star of temasek......we will even build a temple for him or place a statue next to raffles at the CBD..... -
Tim Huxley's 'Defending the Lion City' contained a brief but intriguing mention about the island that commandos are deployed there. However, i checked the biblo but found that he didn't have any documentation to back that up. Any idea about how he got that info?
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trust him...Originally posted by IAF:Tim Huxley's 'Defending the Lion City' contained a brief but intriguing mention about the island that commandos are deployed there. However, i checked the biblo but found that he didn't have any documentation to back that up. Any idea about how he got that info?
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Malaysia says it has strategy to get disputed island - CNA
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/southeastasia/print/28077/1/.htmlUmno Youth chief Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said Umno Youth and Barisan Nasional (BN) Youth would continue to ask Singapore not to do anything in contravention of the decision to refer the dispute to the ICJ.
He said Singapore's move to build structures on the island might be aimed at strengthening its claim.
Mr Hishammuddin said Singapore's action was complicating matters and the republic was unlike other neighbours which took the road of amicable settlement like the ICJ.
He urged the authorities to seek military help if Malaysians continued to be threatened by Singapore personnel in the Pulau Batu Puteh waters. -
Singapore keeps atoll off limits - The Star
JOHOR BARU: A group of reporters who chartered a boat to get a closer look at Pulau Batu Putih said they felt an “intense presence” of Singapore’s authorities in the waters surrounding the island.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2002/12/25/nation/jbputih&sec=nation
The pressmen had chartered the boat to get a closer look at the atoll despite being aware that there was already a Singapore police coast guard boat patrolling the area.
On their journey, however, the pressmen not only encountered a coast guard patrol boat but also a naval craft which cruised close to the pressmenÂ’s boat.
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They crazy har...if now leave the lighthouse, then who maintain it? Then pirates will occupy the place...of cos the polilce coast guard and navy must b there to protect the pple working there mah...
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CRazy?Originally posted by sgboy2004:They crazy har...if now leave the lighthouse, then who maintain it? Then pirates will occupy the place...of cos the polilce coast guard and navy must b there to protect the pple working there mah...
No brainers
NO lah... they got their brain in their butts..... by their pathetic logic.. if tomolo singapore lodge a claim on malaysia... Are they gonna ask all their people to vacate malaysia by jumping into the sea and wait until the ICJ make a final decision??
As far as singapore is concern.. that island is ours... just because malaysia make a claim of it... DOES not invalidate our rights and sovereignty over that atoll immediately... they die die must wait UNTIL the UN ICJ decides otherwise....
In fact.. during malaysia's and indonesia wrangle over sipadan and ligitan.... the malaysian also attempted to build structures on those islands UNTIL the TNI-AL starts to pump bullets into their ships did they stop.... Malaysia is very very neighbourly indeed.....
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found this interesting part in one of the attached articles in the pedra branca report...
On water supply to Singapore, Dr Mahathir said Malaysia would not cut water supply to the republic but the supply now will only be for drinking and bathing purposes.
"We don't feel that we should supply water for their purpose of selling it to ships in order to make more money.
"We know according to the rates they publish that they sell water to ships at at the rate of S$20 per 1,000 gallons (3,800 litres) of treated water. They buy 1,000 gallons of non-treated water at 3 sen from us.
"Assuming that the cost of treating the water is $S2, selling it at S$20, which is RM40, means a huge profit and we don't think that we should contribute to that," he said.
hey... since when did the seller start to question his customers on wat to do with his products? next time they are going to tell us to use the water solely to wash our asses..
haha... we made huge profit and he dont think he should contribute to that?..hey... u jealous issit? -
Should we ever go to a military conflict(I think a major war will not be very possible) over Pedra Branca. What are our options? Should we use diplomatic effort or simply fight them? Well if its me,knowing that they are succeeding in 'conquering' our island, I will rather we FIGHT them! Because if we start being a nice guy and giving small islands away to avoid trouble in the end we will lose the entire Singapore island! Anyone have any possible scenarios in which we enage them should the need arise.Hopefully those SAF officers in here familiar with this issue can comment. At least it will be much more accurate and pratical than some of the immatured comments given by some.No offense intended,please comment,Thanks.
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I seriously doubt a limited war can be possible if malaysia occupy that island....Originally posted by tankee1981:Should we ever go to a military conflict(I think a major war will not be very possible) over Pedra Branca. What are our options? Should we use diplomatic effort or simply fight them? Well if its me,knowing that they are succeeding in 'conquering' our island, I will rather we FIGHT them! Because if we start being a nice guy and giving small islands away to avoid trouble in the end we will lose the entire Singapore island! Anyone have any possible scenarios in which we enage them should the need arise.Hopefully those SAF officers in here familiar with this issue can comment. At least it will be much more accurate and pratical than some of the immatured comments given by some.No offense intended,please comment,Thanks.
Singapore probably WONT even bother to issue an ultimatum and before the malaysian can celebrate their 'victory' ... KL and all major malaysian cities, towns, roads, industrial and millitary facility would be under endless waves of bombings.... -
If M'sia occupies that island, Sg will most likely start its diplomacy rolling first, probably gather a bit of regional support at the VERY LEAST BEFORE sg start thinking about using bombs, else Sg will be the one condemned,
firstly, publicly denounce action of M'sia
second, get some support form other countries, while you get some navy vessels to stooge around near the island, or get Sg fighters to boom them like mad, as in fly over them at supersonic speed, so they'll get the boom, do this often
thirdly, no one gonna let us touch mainland malaysia (that means the international community will damn SG if sg touches mainland m'sia), get some troops in and take Pedra Branca, dun even have to be elite, the rock/island is so small you can't sneak onto it in the first place -
if we do this, we are no different from Country MOriginally posted by laser51088:If M'sia occupies that island, Sg will most likely start its diplomacy rolling first, probably gather a bit of regional support at the VERY LEAST BEFORE sg start thinking about using bombs, else Sg will be the one condemned,
firstly, publicly denounce action of M'sia
second, get some support form other countries, while you get some navy vessels to stooge around near the island, or get Sg fighters to boom them like mad, as in fly over them at supersonic speed, so they'll get the boom, do this often
thirdly, no one gonna let us touch mainland malaysia (that means the international community will damn SG if sg touches mainland m'sia), get some troops in and take Pedra Branca, dun even have to be elite, the rock/island is so small you can't sneak onto it in the first place -
M'sia Will Not Deploy Warships Off Pulau Batu Puteh, Says PM - Bernama
PUTRAJAYA, Dec 26 (Bernama) -- Prime Minister Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad said Thursday that Malaysia will not deploy its security forces and warships in the vicinity of Pulau Batu Puteh, a small rocky outcrop located 15 nautical miles off Pengerang in Johor.
http://www.bernama.com.my/B2002/news.shtml?general/ge2612_11
"We wish to avoid a confrontation. We're not about to wage war with anyone...we're not giving in, but we're not looking for a reason to engage in battle," he told reporters after attending an Aidilfitri gathering hosted by the Prime Minister's Department here.
He was asked to comment on the call by Barisan Nasional (BN) Youth chairman Datuk Hishamuddin Tun Hussein yesterday for the government to consider deploying the military and warships in the waters off Pulau Batu Puteh where Singapore has carried out construction and development work when ownership of the island is in dispute.