Pedra Branca
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Kiasu On The Rock - Malay Mail
http://www.emedia.com.my/Current_News/MM/Thursday/Frontpage/20021226104010THE fishing community of the east coast of Johor are living under the impression that the disputed Pulau Batu Puteh is already under Singapore.
This is because the island is being guarded by the Singapore marine police round-the-clock and new structures have been built there, giving it the look of a "fortress".
They are taken aback by the recent brouhaha over the rock's disputed ownership between Malaysia and Singapore.
"If the ownership issue is not settled, why are we being chased away by the Singaporeans when we are close to the island?" asked Syed Ahmad Syed Yassin, 66, a fisherman for more than 50 years.
"This is news to us. Though I don't go out fishing anymore, I am told of what is happening there by other villagers." Others interviewed spoke of military aircraft landing on the helipad built on the island.
Several said if their boats were near the island, the Singapore marine patrol would confront them and tell them to move along.
# HERE are the experiences of fishermen of Kampung Musoh, on the south-eastern tip of Johor: IBRAHIM AHMAD, 72. He used to go to the island regularly to rest after his fishing expeditions or get fresh water from the people manning the lighthouse.
"But in recent months, the police boat would stop us. I was under the impression that the island no longer belonged to us," said Ibrahim, who still goes out deep-sea fishing.
"After being chased away several times, I decided not to go near the island anymore." MOHD RASHID KARIM, 22. He is a boatman who ferry anglers near the island on weekends.
"The marine police were polite but stern. They were firm when insisting that I should not pass the marker buoys.
"On several occasions, my passengers were Singaporeans and they were also surprised that the island was being controlled by Singapore.
"The police will not stop anyone from taking pictures of the island but it has to be done from a distance.
"I, too, was under the impression that the island belonged to Singapore as I did not know anything about the dispute."ISMAIL HASHIM, 37: "I once saw a fighter jet landing on the helipad on the island. It was the kind that could take-off and land vertically. I know what I saw," he insisted, when asked if he was sure it was a fighter jet.
HAMDAN SIES, 33. A boat operator who frequently goes out to sea, said the military activities on the island do not occur frequently. He believes they were drills.
"Most of the time, you cannot see anyone on the island. But then why should the patrol boat be there 24 hours a day?" -
Singapore only allowed to administer lighthouse - Malay Mail
As far as Malaysia is concerned, Singapore was only allowed to administer a lighthouse based on several agreements with colonial British.
http://www.emedia.com.my/Current_News/MM/Thursday/Frontpage/20021226104252
Over the years, Singapore went ahead and built a "fortress" which include a communications tower with radar antenna and a helipad to allow the landing of Chinook helicopters.
Situated seven nautical miles off the southern State of Johor and 20 nautical miles off the east coast of Singapore, the island is also known as Pedra Branca.
Even the British acknowledged that the island was part of Johor, considering the lighthouse was run by the East India Company or whoever took over after it.
Several historical records showed that Johor's territory included Pulau Batu Puteh among several islands, islets and shoals.
Another evidence was that the building of the Horsburg Lighthouse was made after getting the approval of Johor.
They included: # A letter from the Johor Temenggong dated Nov 25, 1844.
# A letter from Sultan Allie Johor dated Nov 25, 1844.
# Letter from the Straits Settlement governor to the secretary of the Indian Government dated Aug 26, 1846.
# Territorial water agreement (1927) between Britain and Johor did not change the island's status.
# One of the memoranda from the Attorney-General's Chambers to the Johor government stated "as islands have their own territorial seas three miles around the islet such as that on which Horsburg Lighthouse stands would be Malaysian territorial waters".
This was supported with several maps as follows: # Singapore map and its territory published by ‘Surveyor General's office' Singapore, 1885.
# Singapore map and its territory published by the Surveyor-General's office Singapore, 1898.
# Singapore map and its territory published by the War Office, February, 1916.
# Johor map published under the instructions of Survey General FMS and SS (FMS Survey no. 57 - 1926).
# Map of the Sultan of the State and Territory of Johor 1930.
# Johor map (FMS Survey no. 77-1932) # Malaysian map published by the Indian Surveyor's Office (HIND 1035 C 1925) # Sedili Besar map published by the Indian office (HIND 1076 dated Nov 1944).
# Lagoi map published by the US Army map services AMS 1511, 1944.
# Johor Map published by the Federal Malayan Surveyor Department, 1950.
Singapore voiced its intention to house a radar on July 14, 1989, and another intention to build a helipad on Nov 11, 1991. -
Oh....the pilot was on the way back to his aircraft carrier, when he needed to use the toilet badly...so dropeed by and borrowed the facilities lor... after paying 10 cents of cos.
ISMAIL HASHIM, 37: "I once saw a fighter jet landing on the helipad on the island. It was the kind that could take-off and land vertically. I know what I saw," he insisted, when asked if he was sure it was a fighter jet.
Oh....that's where we cook our secret sauce & flavouring to serve on our food in our cookhouses...to make our troops smarter...and stronger. To prevent our secret receipe from being stolen, we have to hire police guards lor...
HAMDAN SIES, 33. A boat operator who frequently goes out to sea, said the military activities on the island do not occur frequently. He believes they were drills.
"Most of the time, you cannot see anyone on the island. But then why should the patrol boat be there 24 hours a day?" [/quote] -
Well....according to that theory, it nulls and void our very independence.
Singapore is part of Malaysia then, and not yet a nation when those maps are drawn.
Thus do you mean SG belongs to Malaysia now? Hell no!
Similarly, according to old maps, part of Malaysia belongs to Thialand, so they must return to Thialand those areas also right?
We don't follow normal international norms when dealing at State level? Who's the one who choose to change the interpretion of the water treaty? Who's the one who broke signed agreements...e.g. CIQ? -
Dr M: We're not about to wage war with anyone - The Star
By MERGAWATI ZULFAKAR
PUTRAJAYA: Malaysia must avoid being confrontational with Singapore in the dispute over Pulau Batu Putih, said Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad.
Defusing calls by Malaysian politicians for the Government to send warships to the island, the Prime Minister said:
“We wish to avoid a confrontation. We’re not about to wage war with anyone ... We’re not giving in, but we’re not looking for a reason to engage in battle.”
He was speaking to reporters after attending the Prime MinisterÂ’s DepartmentÂ’s open house here.
His remarks came in the wake of angry reaction from politicians and non-governmental organisations lambasting Singapore over reports that the island republic was continuing development and construction on the disputed island.
Recently a group of journalists from Johor were reportedly chased away by a Singapore naval vessel.
Barisan Youth chairman Datuk Hishammuddin Hussein had, on Wednesday, asked the Government to consider sending military personnel and warships to the island.
Prior to his call, the movement sent a memorandum to the Singapore Government, protesting against its latest move on the rocky outcrop 15 nautical miles off Pengerang in Johor.
Earlier in the week, Dr Mahathir had said that “short of going to war,” there was little Malaysia could do to deal with the situation.
Defence Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak had also said that Malaysia would not use military might and would rather go to the International Court of Justice or use diplomatic channels to resolve the dispute.
Asked whether Malaysia was admitting defeat, Dr Mahathir replied: “(It is) not admitting defeat. (We are) just not looking for (any) reasons to go to war.”
On claims by Singapore that it had a stake on the island because it had built a lighthouse there, Dr Mahathir said the republic must submit such claims to the ICJ.
Asked what Malaysia would do if Singapore refused to sign an agreement to bring the dispute to ICJ, he replied:
“When the time comes, we will think (about it).”
Dr Mahathir had repeatedly said that Malaysia was ready to bring the matter to the ICJ but Singapore had yet to come up with necessary documentation to support its claims.
On reports that the Public Complaints Bureau had received many reports on red tape at land offices all over the country, Dr Mahathir said the Government would conduct a study to find their weaknesses
On the move by some political parties to collect donation for sekolah agama rakyat, he said if they solicited donation from their own members, the Government could not do anything.
“If they start collecting from the public and go against the laws, we can take action,” he added.
Also present at the open house were his wife Datin Seri Dr Siti Hasmah Mohd Ali and Chief Secretary to the Government Tan Sri Samsuddin Osman.
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Singapore refutes 'wild' KL allegations - ST
Singapore delaying referring Malaysia's claim on Pedra Branca to arbitration? It's absolutely wrong, says the Republic
By Brendan Pereira
MALAYSIA CORRESPONDENT
THE small lighthouse island of Pedra Branca to the east of Singapore has once again become a flashpoint between the Republic and Malaysia.
After a week of threats and accusations from across the Causeway, Singapore responded yesterday.
Calling the recent allegations reported in the Malaysian media 'wild and irresponsible', a Foreign Ministry spokesman said they were 'wrong both in fact and law'.
He not only debunked the various Malaysian claims but also noted that it was Singapore that had first proposed to refer the issue to the International Court of Justice (ICJ), and that was 13 years ago.
This is contrary, he said, to recent Malaysian allegations that Singapore was holding up the signing of a Special Agreement that would allow this to take place.
He said: 'It was Singapore which first proposed to Malaysia in 1989 that Malaysia's claim to Pedra Branca should be referred to the International Court of Justice for resolution. That has always been our position and we stand ready to sign the Special Agreement, to which both sides have agreed, to bring the dispute to the ICJ.'
Asked when Singapore would be ready to sign it, a senior official said: 'Any time.'
Malaysia proposed on Nov 2 that this agreement be signed at the next water talks, but on Nov 29, it called off the talks, saying it wanted to go directly to arbitration.
Singapore has exercised sovereignty over Pedra Branca since the 1840s, when the British colonial government built Horsburgh Lighthouse on the island, to ensure the safety of passing ships.
Singapore has continued to maintain the lighthouse and other facilities needed for navigation.
Malaysia first staked a claim to the island it calls Pulau Batu Putih in 1979, when it published a map of its territorial waters that included the island. It claims the Johor Sultanate has exercised complete jurisdiction and sovereignty over it since 1513.
Since 1979, there have been several incidents at sea, when Malaysian vessels were prevented from approaching the island by Singapore naval vessels patrolling the waters.
The latest took place on Dec 24, when a Republic of Singapore Navy vessel ordered a Malaysian marine police boat to leave the area. The Malaysian boat was ferrying journalists to the site.
The Malaysian media have been playing up the issue for a week since the ICJ ruled in Malaysia's favour in a separate dispute with Indonesia over the Sipadan and Ligatan islands, off the north-east coast of Borneo. Last Sunday, to beef up the Malaysian claim, the Mingguan Malaysia newspaper published on its front page a picture of what it claimed were new structures that Singapore was building on the island.
Yesterday, the MFA's spokesman set the record straight, pointing out that the last things built there were a radar facility in 1989, and a helipad in 1991 'to aid in the safety of navigation in and out of the Straits of Singapore'.
The Malaysian accusations reflected 'either a lack of understanding or misrepresentation of international law', said the spokesman.
'The dispute over Pedra Branca arose in 1979 when Malaysia for the first time contested Singapore's ownership and sovereignty. It is a well-established principle in international law that acts done by the disputing parties in an attempt to advance their own case after the dispute has already arisen will not be given credence,' he said.
He noted that Indonesia had complained to the ICJ about Malaysia's continued activities on Sipadan while the dispute was still before the court.
Malaysia had continued to promote the island, which is among the top diving spots in the world, as one of its tourist destinations.
Malaysia responded that it had done nothing wrong as it was merely continuing actions it had undertaken before the dispute arose.
'Singapore's activities on Pedra Branca are no different in law from Malaysia's actions on Sipadan,' the MFA's spokesman said.
Yesterday, Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad rejected a politician's call to consider having a military presence near the island. Malaysia, he told reporters, will not station troops or warships in the waters off the island.
He said: 'We want to avoid confrontation. We do not want to go to war with anyone. It is not that we are giving up, we just do not want to find a reason to go to war.'
SEVERAL INCIDENTS
THERE have been several incidents at sea since 1979, when Malaysia staked a claim to the island. Malaysian vessels were prevented from approaching the island by Singapore naval vessels patrolling the waters.
The latest incident took place on Dec 24, when a Republic of Singapore Navy vessel ordered a Malaysian marine police boat to leave the area. The Malaysian boat was ferrying journalists to the site.
A Malaysian paper last Sunday published on its front page a picture of what it claimed were new structures that Singapore was building on the island.
Yesterday, a Singapore Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman set the record straight, pointing out that the Republic had not built anything on Pedra Branca for over 10 years.
SINGAPORE'S VIEW
Ready to sign
'It was Singapore which first proposed to Malaysia in 1989 that Malaysia's claim to Pedra Branca should be referred to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for resolution. That has always been our position and we stand ready to sign the Special Agreement, to which both sides have agreed, to bring the dispute to the ICJ.'
-- A spokesman from Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA)
Malaysia continued projects on Sipadan
'Malaysia claims that in the Sipadan and Ligitan dispute with Indonesia, Malaysia stopped all the projects on the disputed islands until the dispute was resolved. This is untrue. Indonesia in fact complained to the ICJ about the continued activities by Malaysia on Sipadan. Malaysia rejected these objections and their counsel's argument in the ICJ was that what they did was not wrong because these were merely the continuation of actions they had undertaken before the dispute arose. Singapore's activities on Pedra Branca are no different in law from Malaysia's actions on Sipadan.'
-- An MFA spokesman
MALAYSIA'S VIEW
Singapore to blame
'But although Singapore agreed in 1998, they have yet to come up with the necessary documentation to support their claim, and owing to this, the dispute cannot be solved through the International Court of Justice yet... Pulau Batu Putih is important to us because it is our territory. We don't take into consideration whether it is a source of oil or whatever.'
-- Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad at a press conference on Dec 25. He was referring to the two countries' agreement in 1998 on the procedure to refer the matter to the ICJ
Location on its side
'Our arguments are solid, whether in terms of history, management and administration or location of the island, which lies within Malaysian waters.'
-- Johor Mentri Besar Abdul Ghani Othman
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Pulau Batu Puteh Fiasco: Watch from a distance - Malay Mail
THE Marine police will continue to patrol Malaysian waters in the vicinity of Pulau Batu Puteh despite harassment by Singaporean forces.
This, said a Johor police source yesterday, should be the case as the status of the rocky island is still being questioned.
However, the Marine police have been instructed to be cautious so as to avoid a confrontation with their Singapore counterparts. They have also been told not to react to any form of action by the Singaporean forces.
“We are patrolling Malaysian waters. However, we will not confront or risk being confronted by them to avoid any misunderstanding,” he said.
The source was responding to a report that a Singapore naval vessel had chased our Marine police boat with local journalists on board about four nautical miles from the island.
The Malaysian police boat, PA41, from the Marine police southern region headquarters, was on a routine observation patrol of the island when it happened.
The officer admitted this was not the first time such an incident had occurred.
Local fishermen have also been chased away from the island. They have been keeping away from the island, which originally housed a lighthouse, for years.
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Delay In Preparing Document On Pulau Batu Puteh, A Ploy By S'pore - BERNAMA
KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 27 (Bernama) -- Barisan Nasional (BN) Youth head Datuk Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said Singapore has specific reasons in delaying the preparation of documents for submission to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) pertaining to its overlapping claim on Pulau Batu Puteh.
He claimed that Singapore deliberately did so to divert the attention of its people from the internal problems faced by the island republic.
He said Singapore was adamant on proceeding with the construction of structures on the island probably to emulate Malaysia's success in the claim on Pulau Sipadan and Pulau Ligitan based on the permanent structures it had on the two islands.
"This ploy will not succeed. Both sides have agreed to leave the matter (concerning the overlapping claim) to the ICJ and comply with all procedures and time-frame specified," he told reporters after opening the International Lion and Dragon Dance Championship 2002 at Stadium Putra, Bukit Jalil, near here.
Hishammuddin, who is also Umno Youth head, was commenting on Prime Minister Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad's statement Wednesday that Singapore had yet to submit documents on its claim on the island although it had agreed to do so for the past four years.
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Malaysians protest at Singapore High Commission - The Star
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Protesters gathered outside Singapore's High Commission Friday, demanding the city-state back down in a dispute with Malaysia over a tiny island claimed by both countries.
About 100 people shouted slogans and waved banners outside Singapore's High Commission in downtown Kuala Lumpur, as a delegation went inside to deliver a protest note to officials.
The protest ended peacefully.
The Malaysian government claims Singapore is dragging its feet in efforts to settle the dispute over Pulau Batu Puteh, an islet strategically-located in the busy shipping lanes of the Singapore Strait.
The two countries agreed in 1998 that the dispute should be brought before the International Court of Justice, but Malaysia says it is still waiting for Singapore to agree to a date to approach the court.
The dispute flared last week after a newspaper published a photograph showing a two-story building and a helicopter pad allegedly built by Singapore on the island.
Singapore's Foreign Ministry said Thursday the country was maintaining facilities on the island that dated back to British colonial times and that no new construction work had been carried out for years.
Singapore and Malaysia, former British colonies, were united as one country in 1963. But they split over bitter political differences two years later.
Occasional spats over water supply, border crossings, airspace and other issues have marred their otherwise close economic and social ties.
Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad said Thursday Malaysia did not want a confrontation with Singapore over Palau Batu Puteh, but that it would not back down on its sovereignty claim. - AP
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Delay In Preparing Document On Pulau Batu Puteh, A Ploy By S'pore - BERNAMA
KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 27 (Bernama) -- Barisan Nasional (BN) Youth head Datuk Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said Singapore has specific reasons in delaying the preparation of documents for submission to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) pertaining to its overlapping claim on Pulau Batu Puteh.
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who's not attending?
jus because the m'sia had
taken back the two island
from indonesia doesn't mean
they could get what they wan,
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He claimed that Singapore deliberately did so to divert the attention of its people from the internal problems faced by the island republic.
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this ,my neighbours up north,is not the tactics
we use. tot you were all along using it?
swipping us whenever u've got elections,
when your ex dpm got into some serious problems?
what problems we have? GST? no choice lah, all thanks to
u guys upnorth, gov gotta take more money to buy water from you and sell it cheaply to u...somemore still got to spend some money to reclaim the land around the tiny little island...wat to do...
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He said Singapore was adamant on proceeding with the construction of structures on the island probably to emulate Malaysia's success in the claim on Pulau Sipadan and Pulau Ligitan based on the permanent structures it had on the two islands.
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hey wake up your idea lah, the structures were built donkey years ago.... yuo all now then miserably took it back from your blood bros .....
shame on the people who claim that the island sipadan was theirs
and promoted it as their holiday destination...shame shame...
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Hishammuddin, who is also Umno Youth head
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so i see,youth head. with mr Hishammuddin in umno,good luck to your party's youth wing...or do they even care???
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Well....according to that theory, it nulls and void our very independence.
Singapore is part of Malaysia then, and not yet a nation when those maps are drawn.
Thus do you mean SG belongs to Malaysia now? Hell no!
Similarly, according to old maps, part of Malaysia belongs to Thialand, so they must return to Thialand those areas also right?
We don't follow normal international norms when dealing at State level? Who's the one who choose to change the interpretion of the water treaty? Who's the one who broke signed agreements...e.g. CIQ?
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do you think they would wan sentosa next?it's a main tourist attraction here ...pulau ubin? pulau tekong? near to m'sia water wat... -
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/28434/1/.html
Malaysia wants to settle water issue according to its laws
By Malaysia Bureau Chief Zainudin Afandi
In another twist in the water talks with Singapore, Malaysia Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar says his country wants to settle the issue according to Malaysian laws.
Mr Syed Hamid has told the Malaysian media he does not see why the matter should be brought to arbitration.
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Only last week, Malaysian newspapers had quoted Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad as saying Malaysia might want to refer the dispute to international arbitration at the Hague.
But he added Singapore has to agree.
Responding, Singapore's Foreign Minister S Jayakumar had said Singapore was ready to go to arbitration to clear the impasse in the water talks.
And Dr Mahathir on Monday blamed Singapore for a series of disputes over water, territory and other issues that he said threaten the two countries' otherwise good relations.
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Remember your origins, Singapore
NEW STRAITS TIMES
EDITORIAL
SINGAPORE ought to behave with decorum and submit its claim to Pulau Batu Putih for adjudication by the International Court of Justice, as Malaysia had long decided to do, instead of sending naval vessels to the island.
If, by this show of force, it hopes to provoke Malaysia into imprudent retaliation, then it is very much mistaken.
Secure in our legal rights over what appear to be mere rocks in the sea, the Prime Minister has adamantly insisted that we, at least, will not be playing that game. After all, does not Singapore owe its independent sovereign status to the Malaysian Parliament?
The moment it became part of the Federation of Malaysia in 1963, the physical entity of Singapore existed only as that. Not until August 1965 did Singapore, as an independent nation state, come into being, and that only after an Act of our Parliament to this end was passed.
Furthermore, given Malaysia's consistent stand against Singapore's claim over Pulau Batu Putih, it is a fair assumption that the creator of the claimant never intended these rocks to be a part of the latter, its very own creation, in the first place.
Singapore's use of the island is, hence, tolerated and no surrender of ownership can be inferred, despite Malaysia's reluctance to resort to military action.
Therefore, to believe that our policy on Pulau Batu Putih is driven by cowardice or military unpreparedness is to overlook all the peaceful recourse that Malaysia has to hand in solving this dispute.
For, much like in the case of Pulau Sipadan and Ligitan, this country is never complacent about its territorial possessions. Where we can put them to good use, we have; and where others have infringed, we have vehemently objected.
History, too, can do little to satisfy Singapore's hunger for territoriality. From Siamese influence to British possession, it had never really known total self-government.
If it thinks adventurist foreign policies will change this, then the city state is playing with fire. Its fine economy notwithstanding, Singapore cannot afford to irk its neighbours.
This editorial appeared in the New Straits Times of Dec 28. -
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S'pore's Actions Jeopardize Bilateral Ties With M'sia, Says PM
PUTRAJAYA, Dec 30 (Bernama) -- Prime Minister Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad said Monday that Singapore's actions in dealing with bilateral issues with Malaysia have all along never helped in preserving relations between the republic and Kuala Lumpur.
"We're saddened over how Singapore always act in a way that could jeopardize the close ties between Malaysia and Singapore," he told reporters after recording his New Year's message to be aired by RTM, here.
Dr Mahathir said that at the time of Singapore's cessation from Malaysia in 1965, Singapore gave an undertaking that Malaysia's facilities in Singapore would continue to remain in the republic in accordance with the agreement previously entered into with the British but they failed to abide by it.
"For instance, they deliberately increased the rate for the lease (of land) for the naval base in Woodlands that we were forced to vacate and we vacated without being paid even a sen. And we didn't make a fuss over the matter," he said.
Dr Mahathir said that the water supply issue also caused problems in bilateral relations.
The Prime Minister said that Singapore had always been asking for the volume of water supplied to the republic to be increased and Malaysia had promised to meet their request by taking into account the increasing population in the neighbouring country.
"But they objected to a review of the payment even though it has been agreed that after 25 years, we could negotiate the price of water. After 25 years, not on reaching 25 years," he said.
Dr Mahathir said that Singapore however contended that it was now too late to negotiate the matter.
"And there are many other actions by Singapore which do not help in preserving ties with Malaysia, including differentiating between Malaysians in the peninsula and those from Sabah and Sarawak over the Central Provident Fund pensions issue," he said.
In recent days, the two neighbours are embroiled in a dispute over the rightful ownership of Pulau Batu Puteh, a rocky outcrop located 7.7 nautical miles off Johor.
According to news reports yesterday, Singapore is prepared to ratify the special agreement with Malaysia to pave the way for the dispute to be brought before the International Court of Justice in The Hague.
Dr Mahathir was also asked to comment on the stance of the United States which appeared to be reluctant to learn from the events of Sept 11 and declined to identify the root causes of terrorism.
"We're very sad because now that the various parties have expressed the importance of the causes of terrorism to be tackled and eliminated, it appears that the approach adopted is still in building up the military, defence," he said.
The United States, he said, also acted in attacking a country which so far had not been known to be involved in the Sept 11 attacks on New York and Washington, which claimed 3,000 lives.
"All this will only increase anger that will lead to more acts of terrorism," he said.
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shit ass hole..i hate when malaysians cum to us telling us to rememebr our origins...to hell man...sang nila utama found us..not fucking malays or malaysians for tt matter.
wad malaysian laws?might as well sae we use singapore laws rite?
y do malaysian leaders owaes cant make up their mind. -
aiya, they tok orgins. We should thx them.
Without them , we will not be away from the british. Without them , we will not be rejected and gain independence. And without them , WE WILL NOT HAVE TO SUFFER THEIR POOR ECONOMY , POOR GOVERNINGS!!!!!!
Im so damm proud to thx them , for all the shit their had and has given us. Toking abt the origin of Singapore , it will make them feel how inferior are they.
They will regret rejecting us in 1965............and we should feel lucky that we kana rejected in 1965.
Is that the origin of Singapore?Oh boy ....im damm proud of itl. -
Originally posted by wombat:
which one?
Remember your origins, Singapore
i don't think the ICJ is interested in ancient world history according to the Sejarah Melayu so i would presume they're talking about modern world history right?
so are they reminding us that Sg was founded in 1819 by an opportunistic Tengku who collaborated with the Brits to counter his brother's claim to the throne? never mind that it gradually led to hs sultanate being split in 2 and never mind that the same family later lost favour with the Brits and never exercised sovereign or royal power again?
or are they reminding us that Sg was administered as a separate colony after WW 2 since it was not and never was administered from Peninsula Malaysia before that?
or they fact that M'sia itself is a Colonial construct which never existed as an independent political entity until 1958?SINGAPORE ought to behave with decorum and submit its claim to Pulau Batu Putih for adjudication by the International Court of Justice, as Malaysia had long decided to do, instead of sending naval vessels to the island.
we still don't know for sure who's playing delaying tactics on this one... decorum is wasted on third world boors and roughnecks anyway.Secure in our legal rights over what appear to be mere rocks in the sea, the Prime Minister has adamantly insisted that we, at least, will not be playing that game. After all, does not Singapore owe its independent sovereign status to the Malaysian Parliament?
it is known that Sg sought merger to gain independence and to revive its flagging entrepot trade at that time through a common market with M'sia.
the common market NEVER materialised... we were STILL left to fend for ourselves DESPITE the merger...
so are we to remember how we had been abandoned in all but name despite the merger? that ironically, separation, upon hindsight, gave us a more viable chance for survival than merger?The moment it became part of the Federation of Malaysia in 1963, the physical entity of Singapore existed only as that. Not until August 1965 did Singapore, as an independent nation state, come into being, and that only after an Act of our Parliament to this end was passed.
like i said, Sg was governed as administrative capital of the Straits Settlements, as Syonan To directly under the Japanese military during the occupation and as a separate entity under the British Military and as a separate colony with its own royal charter after that until 1963.
all these status recognised Sg as being a distinct and separate entity OUTSIDE the Malay Peninsula. the reason why we were booted out was not merely because of petty political differences and race riots, but that Sg was ill suited to merge with M'sia in the first place!
M'sia recognition of such an obvious fact only made official what has been the obvious case all the while!Furthermore, given Malaysia's consistent stand against Singapore's claim over Pulau Batu Putih, it is a fair assumption that the creator of the claimant never intended these rocks to be a part of the latter, its very own creation, in the first place.
bollocks! M'sia only made known its objections in 1979... they were blissfully "bochup" up till then. And Sg is M'sias' "own creation"??? please... that it stood alone and separate from M'sia for the past 200 years at least is certain.History, too, can do little to satisfy Singapore's hunger for territoriality. From Siamese influence to British possession, it had never really known total self-government.
that may be true, but neither did M'sia for much of modern history... from Siamese influence (don't forget to send the Bunga Emas...) to anarchy to British protection... wow... an illustrious history indeed... it does no good to deny the legacy of British indirect rule neighbour...If it thinks adventurist foreign policies will change this, then the city state is playing with fire. Its fine economy notwithstanding, Singapore cannot afford to irk its neighbours.
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I wonder will they use their submarine to monitor sg?Originally posted by cavsg:M'sia Will Not Deploy Warships Off Pulau Batu Puteh, Says PM - Bernama
http://www.bernama.com.my/B2002/news.shtml?general/ge2612_11
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their subs will only be operational in 2007/08.....Originally posted by sgboy2004:I wonder will they use their submarine to monitor sg? -
u should write to ST Forums n piss Mahathir offOriginally posted by CX:i wonder who has more neighbours pissed off with it... Sg or M'sia... 
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January 1, 2003
http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,2276,68297,00.html?
KUALA LUMPUR
Syed Hamid says S'pore has 2 choices
MALAYSIA'S foreign minister said Singapore should learn to compromise in spats with its neighbour or 'go to war', news reports said yesterday.
Singapore seemed to care only about its own economy, while Malaysia tried to be a good neighbour, Syed Hamid Albar was quoted as saying by Bernama news agency.
'Singapore has two choices. If it refuses to compromise . . . Go to war,' Syed Hamid said.
He stressed, however, that war was not the right solution.
Officials at Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said they could not immediately comment on the report.
Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has in the past sometimes used the word 'war' in comments on the long-running disputes with Singapore on issues that include water supply.
But rhetoric against Singapore has risen after Malaysia recently accused the Republic of building structures on Pedra Branca, an islet claimed by both sides.
Singapore has refuted the accusation, saying it has not done any recent construction work on the islet, although routine maintenance of facilities there has been carried out.
Singapore Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong last weekend characterised the disputes as mere 'hiccups' in bilateral ties. But Dr Mahathir on Monday blamed Singapore for threatening their otherwise good relations. - AP
One thing I don't really understand....is that Dr. M, and now their foreign minister likes to use the "W" word. The foreign minister should know better....obviously not. I dunno who is not following international norms.
They claim to be "neighbourly"....but one does ponder...do one beat the war drum , if they are so friendly as they claimed? We ought to be thankful enough, that those words remain as words....due to a strong & credible SAF. I don't want to see a Kuwait 2 happen.
Their poking noses into our internal affairs...their "big brother" attitude. To me, it seems more of a bully / thug attiude. Some across the border hoped to see SG go back to Malaysia fold....it's hard to say what will happen in the future, but it should be on equal terms.
The politicians, and their youth wings like to use SG as bogey man, for their political gain. They shoot their mouth off...without bothering to check the facts. Based on current outburst from those youth group leaders.....if they ever rise to positions of power...it's not gonna get better.
On the other side of the coin, is their economy or internal problems so bad....until they have to deploy such ploys to distract their citizens?
Strangely....their no.2 man, stated to take over Dr M....has been real silent. It will be interesting to see his response...and it will fortell the direction the relation takes in the future.
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there could be in-fighting amongst the msian cabinet, a cabinet should in all sense function and talk like one, but the behaviour of their ministers do not seems that they have a collective and a single thought. the ministers might be joslting for power before the hand over, it is better to reinforced their power base now, who knows what badawi will do after he has taken over the pm ship....and who knows, it is hamid himself who is sending a strong message across to badawi.......
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Hmmm, interesting...talking about claim, should we claim back our rights to Penang Island, Serawak and Sabah state, don't forget it is thanks to Singapore effort that pursaude them to join the so call Malaya Federation in 1962 hor
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aiya..Dr Moron is just trying to pick bones out of eggs lah....as he will be strpping down soon, he wanna leave a good impression as a politician not as a prata seller lor. How can that plane landed in that island... that island or maybe rock was only about 8 basket court size and the wind is so strong!!! Tahat fisher man also use her ass to think like his leader... anyway...Singapore has been administrating that islnd for 100 over years liao... why wait till now then those problem comeout... maybe trying to smoke ppl from the water , causeway issue.... even their government there was contradicting among each other. Dr Moron say they will refer to international court where as his Minister say they can settle it by Malaysia's law and will not go international!!! Chey
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In my opinions, I really hate the Malaysian Malays' views, or maybe those who holds hatred views towards singapore.
U can say I am Racist but I am damn pissed off by their behaviours, words and actions.
They think ICJ grant the rights of the 2 islands to them then they got all the rights to claim disouted islands... why dun they go claim the whole spratlys?
Anyway, wonder how their country will progress if their goverment's way of governing and treating their neighbours remains unchanged...
Do you see any Developed Countries whose government have the same working way as the Malaysians??