Singapore navy
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I suggest why dun we discuss sumthing on Singapore's 'new' submarines?
I believe it will give us sum insights -
the ship that sinks?
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the ship that dives.
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well, its more for training more than anything else, doesn't have much in the way of offensive capability and also, no torpedoes, at least, none that the public knows about. . ., sort of like a shark with the teeth cut off, to train the men inside. . .
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RSN should get the tropicalise version of the A19 from Sweden.The German 212 also a good bet-but Swedish types might offer some advantages (beside the german are very strict about their state of the art weapons export).Other than that 2 type-i dont think RSN could offer some serious challenge against RMN Scorpene.
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A Good operational attack submarine means it certainly requires sophisticated internal hardware systems and of course a good team of submariners.The chassis design of a submarine doesnt play a particularly significant role in an attack sub.An ageing submarine(ex-sjoormen) might looks old but who knows what it contain.Remember defense equipments EX:aircraft and naval vessel,they can be customised to meet the demands of the customers.Originally posted by HARIMAU:RSN should get the tropicalise version of the A19 from Sweden.The German 212 also a good bet-but Swedish types might offer some advantages (beside the german are very strict about their state of the art weapons export).Other than that 2 type-i dont think RSN could offer some serious challenge against RMN Scorpene. -
y not get the scorpene ...then we upgrade the sub ourselve , with help of the israelis.....then the malaysia will feel sick abt our actions.As both have the same equidment , but we have the better plateform.
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Huh ! Foxtrout8,The israelis are not quite know for its capablities to upgrade a submarineOriginally posted by foxtrout8:y not get the scorpene ...then we upgrade the sub ourselve , with help of the israelis.....then the malaysia will feel sick abt our actions.As both have the same equidment , but we have the better plateform.
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.Quite confident to say that RSN will have its way,countering "Scorpene".Being panick and start some crazy purchases,why not calm down,look far ahead and be resourceful 
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Speaking of Israeli navy submarines, here's a happening website about their dolphin submarine program
http://www.dolphin.org.il
Their new class of subs are about the same size as the sjoormen but are packed with sub-launched harpoons capable of nuclear warheads -
u never noe, it is customized after the acquisition...but sorry i cannot tell moreOriginally posted by laser51088:well, its more for training more than anything else, doesn't have much in the way of offensive capability and also, no torpedoes, at least, none that the public knows about. . ., sort of like a shark with the teeth cut off, to train the men inside. . . -
Originally posted by IAF:Speaking of Israeli navy submarines, here's a happening website about their dolphin submarine program
http://www.dolphin.org.il
Their new class of subs are about the same size as the sjoormen but are packed with sub-launched harpoons capable of nuclear warheads -
there is a bigger plan behind...but i cant sayOriginally posted by foxtrout8:y not get the scorpene ...then we upgrade the sub ourselve , with help of the israelis.....then the malaysia will feel sick abt our actions.As both have the same equidment , but we have the better plateform.
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anyway.....trust the Singapore Govt ...they nv stop giving surprises to the public and our potential agressor.
I believe our submarines now or in the future will have cruisemissile capacity , obtained from israel and other allied countries.The lauching plateform may be builded by other allied countries or indegously by ourselve. The missile i believe to be from israel.
Very soon the sjoormen will have AIP system on it.....as DSO / DSTA/ sweden counterpart had been researching on it for quite some time.
It is my gut feeling that Singapore will equip herself with the technology. I dun have evidence for the cruisemissile statement , however with Singapore's nature.....i believe it is highly possible.
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eh? cruise missile? u can fit a strategic warhead on it and send the enemy a very big boom boom (WMD), better be careful what u say. . . but maybe they can adapt the Harpoon for land attack missions without buying SLAM or SLAM-ER from USA
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I feel that we should not hope for too much from the Sjoormens. The 4 subs purchased should be viewed as Singapore's serious effort to gain proficiency in undersea ASW ops. ASW is not something where proficiency can be gained in a short period. With Malaysia getting only 1 training sub, in the end the scorpenes will be used for training maneuvres in order to get an initial capability. Getting the scorpene sub would not represent any REAL undersea combat capability. They would prove a real threat only a minimum of a couple of years after getting the Scorpene. Singapore's purchase is aimed mostly at getting better knowledge of ASW and our undersea environment, so that in a subsequent purchase, her requirements would be better formed, and a better platform could be obtained.
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eh? cruise missile? u can fit a strategic warhead on it and send the enemy a very big boom boom (WMD), better be careful what u say. . . but maybe they can adapt the Harpoon for land attack missions without buying SLAM or SLAM-ER from USA
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I got say put a strategic warhead into the missile meh?......and btw harpoon missile is a form of cruisemissile too. It is known as anti-ship cruisemissile.
The israelis put the sub-popeye missile into their submarine. -
you don't normally call a Anti-ship missile a cruisemissile. . . although yah, it has similarities. . .but I do not think anti-ship missiles = cruise missiles
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Anyone enlisted into navy (into) on feb 24 at sembawang camp ?
i kanna enlisted leh , mono intake .....
somemore i not a swimmer , how to enlist for navy ?
and i fail my nafa test, how come straight away 8 weeks bmt uh?
Can someone enlighten me? ...
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you don't normally call a Anti-ship missile a cruisemissile. . . although yah, it has similarities. . .but I do not think anti-ship missiles = cruise missiles
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Officially an anti-ship missile (eg Harpoon ) can be called a anti-ship crusiemissle. As it has the abilities and capacity of a cruisemissile.
http://www-ksl-svc.stanford.edu:5915/doc/hpkb/mini-eval-1-results/SQMfriday/TFS/ikb-a-8.html#AntiShipCruiseMissile -
wah...HARIMAU so confident and proud of the scorpene hor.
But i think the navy has even began secretly researching the suitable type of attack submarines.
when they haf decided,they will simply transfer the crews over i guess
im not sure.Even a minister needs helps.
So pls clear my doubt
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Frankly if singapore would had have any plans to acquire attack submarines it could be a birth of a new class submarine.A contact might be like what the aussie did the collin class submarine,customise build for RAN.the Republic of singapore navy might do likewise,design could be base on Gotland etcOriginally posted by YourFather:I feel that we should not hope for too much from the Sjoormens. The 4 subs purchased should be viewed as Singapore's serious effort to gain proficiency in undersea ASW ops. ASW is not something where proficiency can be gained in a short period. With Malaysia getting only 1 training sub, in the end the scorpenes will be used for training maneuvres in order to get an initial capability. Getting the scorpene sub would not represent any REAL undersea combat capability. They would prove a real threat only a minimum of a couple of years after getting the Scorpene. Singapore's purchase is aimed mostly at getting better knowledge of ASW and our undersea environment, so that in a subsequent purchase, her requirements would be better formed, and a better platform could be obtained. -
Originally posted by HARIMAU:
i'm not sure if that's an entirely accurate assessment... when one thinks of western european sub makers, we generally think DCN (French), Kockums (Swedish) and HDW (German).
RSN should get the tropicalise version of the A19 from Sweden.The German 212 also a good bet-but Swedish types might offer some advantages (beside the german are very strict about their state of the art weapons export).
but since 2000, Kockums and HDW underwent a series of consolidation which ended up with the Swedish state-owned defence company Celsius AB and another private German company (Preussag) taking joint control over HDW and HDW acquiring a 100% stake in Kockums.
Sg is actually in a rather good position to acquire whichever sub it wants since the RSN enjoys good working relations with both the Swedish gov't, Kockums and DCN, which Sg has ordered frigates from...
and needless to say, the Kockums-HDW merger was undertaken primarily to share technology and gain a bigger share in the global market for naval vessels.
This was in early 2000...
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/data/communiques/archives/2000Jan/data/2000Jan1487/
now here's a bombshell... guess what USA did to keep its half of the bargain to supply Taiwan with subs...
http://www.yaffa.com.au/defence/may/sea3.htm
Australian Defence Magazine, May 2002
US merchant bank One Equity Partners (OEP) has bought a controlling interest in German submarine builder HDW. The bank, which is owned by Chicago-based Bank One (formerly First Chicago) has acquired 75 per cent of the firm from its German shareholders Preussag, Babcock Borsig and Bayern Finanz. Babcock Borsig retains a 25 per cant stake in HDW.
so now, one of the more prominent European naval supplier, is American owned... and since M'sia has introduced advanced submarine capabilities to the region, the door is WIDE open for Sg to purchase whatever diesel sub it bloody wants... the Germans have never been part of the equation but i seriously did not think that they would prove uncooperative should we have decided to deal with them.
true, America has export restrictions too, but Sg has dealt with them before and like i said: Sg is not introducing a new capability into the region.
so i do not foresee serious problems if Sg decides to buy a Swedish designed sub equipped with top of the line Swedish and German technology from big brother America and build it in Singapore with full technology transfer
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hey...trust our men at DSTA and ST Log...good brains there leh...
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Is sg realli buying frigates?
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yar, we been toking abt it so long liao, 6 of them based on the La Fayette shipsOriginally posted by sgboy2004:Is sg realli buying frigates?
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