Singapore navy
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http://mindef.miw.com.sg/display.asp?number=1665
The Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN) laid the keel for the first in a series of six frigates on 14 November 2002 in Lorient, France. Permanent Secretary (Defence) Mr Peter Ho officiated at the ceremony.
Under a contract signed with Direction des Constructions Navales (DCN) in March 2000, the shipyard will be delivering six modern frigates to the RSN. These ships are intended to replace the six ageing Missile Gunboats (MGB) that have been in service for more than 25 years. The first of the class is to be built in France while the remaining five ships will be constructed locally by Singapore Technologies Marine. The Defence Science & Technology Agency (DSTA) is the overall programme manager and is also undertaking to integrate the combat systems and platform in this challenging programme. The first ship is expected to sail back to Singapore in 2005.
The frigates are built to be stealthy, using the latest ship design and building technology. The addition of the frigates to the RSN Fleet will expand the capabilities that the navy can employ in the defence of Singapore.
The keel laying ceremony marks another milestone in the strong bilateral defence ties between France and Singapore. The defence relationship between Singapore and France is an extensive one which includes regular dialogue at the policy level, professional interactions in bilateral and multilateral exercises, and defence technology collaboration.
Ship Data
Length : 110 m
Breadth : 16m
Tonnage : 3200 tons
Speed : more than 25 knots
Range : 4000nm
Heli Deck : Medium size helicopter -
hi gguys.... i know very little about submarines and naval stuffs... may i know what's the capability of the Sjoormen? And wonder why RSN would wanna buy old aged submarines?
And if u guys said is true that sg will buy more attack submarines, then the number of subs sg haves will increases, together with the new frigates coming in, i think the NAVY will need more manpower... Am I right?
And in how many years, would u guys think RSN will have new state of the art submarines with superb offensive capabilities? -
Submarine underwater warfare is relatively new to RSN.Originally posted by Arena:hi gguys.... i know very little about submarines and naval stuffs... may i know what's the capability of the Sjoormen? And wonder why RSN would wanna buy old aged submarines?
And if u guys said is true that sg will buy more attack submarines, then the number of subs sg haves will increases, together with the new frigates coming in, i think the NAVY will need more manpower... Am I right?
And in how many years, would u guys think RSN will have new state of the art submarines with superb offensive capabilities?
Training a team of efficient specialists is critical for any future acquisitions.This enable new recruits to be professionally taught by these veterans and directly contribute to the overall operational capabiliy of the crew members of each individual submarine.Buying over ageing submarines is perfect its not only train its crew members learning to operate the basis equipments/system and knowledge of a submarine before they learn to operate a large more sophisticated and complex subs.In another .words "foundation".ANyway we lack enough sub trained personnals for more subs.
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Singapore Naval armanda display will never be the same again once all 6 is being commissioned in 2009 and probably some major naval vessal like destroyer and new class of submarineOriginally posted by wombat: -
I agree about RSN ORBAT will never be the same. However, it will never be big enough to be consider armanda. Though sophisticated, RSN will never be able to be grow too big, eg. no destroyers. Ships and subs are expensive. A typical frigate will cost at least S$300 million per ship (go and do the maths for the latest La Fayatte *Delta* frigates). Each new built SSK will cost at least double to triple the cost of a frigate.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:Singapore Naval armanda display will never be the same again once all 6 is being commissioned in 2009 and probably some major naval vessal like destroyer and new class of submarine
My prediction is that RSN will, in 5 to 8 years time (approx 2008-2010), acquire a new sub class. This will fall in line after the completion of the Delta project. In between the Delta and the new sub class, RSN may choose to acquire a smaller class corvette (52m Stealth Corvette or 85m Stealth OPV from ST Marine) to boost the fleet. At the mean time, the MGBs are almost certain to be phased out, with the boats pass to Indonesia or to the Police Coast Guards.
In the logistic front-end at the end of the decade or early next decade, RSN may retire the present Sir Lancelot class LST to training role, and replace that with a new helicopter carrier cum landing platform dock. This ship might also act as the "mothership" to the smaller crafts, eg. MCVs, PVs, etc for lottral warfare or forward deployment controller/coordinators with a secondary anti-subs and snti-surface role.
BTW, I feel that NH-90 will most probably win the helo competition. -
But the NH-90 is untried, not a single unit is in active service. I tink the S-70 is more likely, given that singapore doesn't like untested systems unless it gives a big advantage.Originally posted by Joe Black:I agree about RSN ORBAT will never be the same. However, it will never be big enough to be consider armanda. Though sophisticated, RSN will never be able to be grow too big, eg. no destroyers. Ships and subs are expensive. A typical frigate will cost at least S$300 million per ship (go and do the maths for the latest La Fayatte *Delta* frigates). Each new built SSK will cost at least double to triple the cost of a frigate.
My prediction is that RSN will, in 5 to 8 years time (approx 2008-2010), acquire a new sub class. This will fall in line after the completion of the Delta project. In between the Delta and the new sub class, RSN may choose to acquire a smaller class corvette (52m Stealth Corvette or 85m Stealth OPV from ST Marine) to boost the fleet. At the mean time, the MGBs are almost certain to be phased out, with the boats pass to Indonesia or to the Police Coast Guards.
In the logistic front-end at the end of the decade or early next decade, RSN may retire the present Sir Lancelot class LST to training role, and replace that with a new helicopter carrier cum landing platform dock. This ship might also act as the "mothership" to the smaller crafts, eg. MCVs, PVs, etc for lottral warfare or forward deployment controller/coordinators with a secondary anti-subs and snti-surface role.
BTW, I feel that NH-90 will most probably win the helo competition. -
I can understand tt RSN wanna start knowing sub or underwater warfare so bought the ageing subs to train personnels for future buyings of better sub......Originally posted by Mech^O^GATor:Submarine underwater warfare is relatively new to RSN.
Training a team of efficient specialists is critical for any future acquisitions.This enable new recruits to be professionally taught by these veterans and directly contribute to the overall operational capabiliy of the crew members of each individual submarine.Buying over ageing submarines is perfect its not only train its crew members learning to operate the basis equipments/system and knowledge of a submarine before they learn to operate a large more sophisticated and complex subs.In another .words "foundation".ANyway we lack enough sub trained personnals for more subs.
but why RSN BOUGHT 4 OLD SUBS?? i dun understand...... 4 old subs?? tt's too much for training i guess -
Not really, if you consider that the subs would be used as targets for RSN warships to find and participate in mock combat, there is also joint operations and finally we got to be aware that at least 1 will be at port to undergo servicing at anyone time. So 4 is actually not really alotOriginally posted by Arena:I can understand tt RSN wanna start knowing sub or underwater warfare so bought the ageing subs to train personnels for future buyings of better sub......
but why RSN BOUGHT 4 OLD SUBS?? i dun understand...... 4 old subs?? tt's too much for training i guess -
with nature of the SAF , i dun think the 4 old subs will be jus for training in the future. I believe she will be upgraded ( after the open secret that DSO/DSTA is study undersea weaponry ) enough to join the big boys when needs arises.
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special forces insertion...
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the current sub is for special force insertion liao
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how about a delicated fleet of subs
for special forces insertion?
perhaps sabotage? -
Sg is v interested in the scandinavian viking sub. Sg will likely be building 4-6 sub in sg around 2007-2009.
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tot some country pulled out of it? tot the viking project stalled liao?
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Singapore do not have the resources or manpower to operate such a fleet. Subs are not cheap!! USA whose defence buget are many times larger, also do not keep a dedicated fleet of subs for special forces.Originally posted by foga:how about a delicated fleet of subs
for special forces insertion?
perhaps sabotage?
Also in a all out conflict, the subs will be busy ensuring our SLOC are kept open. Though subs may be used according to operational needs, special forces are better deployed using other means. -
there is a class of sub known as midget subs. The lastest of it has the high-end technology for steath and navigation , specialize in SOF insertion , and some can be operate for SUB rescue as well.
Some of this subs come cheap , however due to the sensitive nature of it , not many country wish to declare their existence in their orbat.
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/dagger/index.html
This is an example of a high end ''midget sub''. I believe Singapore could be interested in such Submarines , however for the Sjoormen to operate like that , a very major upgrade have to be done. -
to add on.
On the word cheap , i mean comparing it to a conventional sub , the midget sub will come cheaper. If u r operating the type which the north korean are using for example....then in the sense , it is rather cheap. -
Malaysia is already operating some midget subs. I read it somewhere. The scorpene subs will be for the deeper seas while these midget subs will be for coastal waters.
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wah kao. . . M'sia got midget subs?? never hear before. . . anyone else got info on this??Originally posted by eurofighter:Malaysia is already operating some midget subs. I read it somewhere. The scorpene subs will be for the deeper seas while these midget subs will be for coastal waters. -
its probably brought from Pakistan.Originally posted by laser51088:wah kao. . . M'sia got midget subs?? never hear before. . . anyone else got info on this??
http://www.pakdef.info/pdnn/news/news2002jan.html
there's something in that article about Pakistan's plans to increase its arms exports (including naval vessels such as midget subs) and m'sia is one of its potential customers.
don't see anything directly referring to m'sia operating midget subs...
anybody else got any other info? -
think they got it from italy. some sub known as predator,i think
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WOoo................ midget subs..... for diving?
whats next? sampan with torpedoes and innocent looking fisherman or better still sexy chio bu. 
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120 squadron will stop operating Hueys in 2005 and switch to naval helicopters. The crew will sail onboard the frigates for tours.Originally posted by 21Alpha:But the NH-90 is untried, not a single unit is in active service. I tink the S-70 is more likely, given that singapore doesn't like untested systems unless it gives a big advantage. -
sg navy got problem liao after the crash wif the merchant ship?
Really surprised that the ship which should be on alert all the time it is out on sea, actually crash wif a civilian ship.
Anyone can enlighten mi on this? -
we probably wont know, let alone the public. accident do happen.