Light arms
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I've read in a US arms magazine that SAR-21 is perfect to be the top assault rifle in the world. It is said that it is een more durable than the AUG and HK33.
However, they also said that Singapore's sniper rifle (scout) is seen as rather obsolete?
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the old one or the new one being introduced?Originally posted by MinisterOfDefence:However, they also said that Singapore's sniper rifle (scout) is seen as rather obsolete?
Wad u all think? -
I think should be the old one right? Any way whats the new one being introduced? Haven't heard anything about it. . .
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not sure, heard from a reservist sniper that reg and nsf are using a new one
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Any pictures of this new sniper rifle to replace scout?
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btw, army brothers here, wat is sidearms?
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ur pistol.......secondary weapon.
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personnally i feel that the sar21 would not be the rifle i would carry into battle...give me my trustly m16 anytime.
too much complications...changing of mags troublesome,operation mode switches hard to reach...a very heavy, and mean HEAVY, hand guard,too bulky for singaporeans...come on ST,design something that's really useful for singaporeans...can't u guys see that the sar21 is inproportionate to the body frame of local guys??? how many men inside a bionix? more lke how many sardines in the can! -
actually the design to suit singaporean soldiers is onli a general characteristic, surely it cant be 100% on the fravour of our soldiers. For mi , i personally prefer the SAR-21 , due to my short arm . The SAR-21 may be heavier , but i find it more comforting due to center of gravity being on the center of tha gun.
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But with wad sniper rifle will they replace it with?
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eh? u tried the SAR 21 b4?? how is it??Originally posted by foxtrout8:actually the design to suit singaporean soldiers is onli a general characteristic, surely it cant be 100% on the fravour of our soldiers. For mi , i personally prefer the SAR-21 , due to my short arm . The SAR-21 may be heavier , but i find it more comforting due to center of gravity being on the center of tha gun. -
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i haben been to NS , however having tried the M-16 at discovery center and Bukit Timah SAFRA , really find it quite uncomfortable , long , heavy and bulky.
Then i have the chance to fire a few blank rounds of the SAR-21 at T.Defence Day . Having the first time trying out the rifle , i have a great trial experience on it. It is less bulky , shorter and overall confortable. ( statistically the SAR-21 is heavier , however u cant really feel it heavy lor. )
Athough i have not tried the two rifles in action as it will be a very different experience out there , than the range , However i have a very good first impression of the SAR-21 which solve most of the discomfort i encountered with the M-16.
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the 2000 version...Originally posted by MinisterOfDefence:But with wad sniper rifle will they replace it with?
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haben been to NS , however having tried the M-16 at discovery center and Bukit Timah SAFRA ,
really find it quite uncomfortable , long , heavy and bulky.
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sar21 needs the firer to free 1 hand to switch from different modes of operation.changin the mag requires you to hold on to the mag.m16 wise you jus need to push the release switch wif your firing finger and the other free hand go grab another mag.
cocking the rifle of an m16 is much easier than the sar21,at least you won't hurt you finger of nails while doing so,especially when you had to urgently change a mag while in a firefight.
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long , heavy and bulky
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m16 is longer,no doubt. but sar21 is much heavier,i assure you.
bulky?how can a sar21 be less bulky? the hand guard is cramped with the LED n the battery compartment.it's much thicker than the m16 so it can't be less bulky!!!
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Then i have the chance to fire a few blank rounds of the SAR-21 at T.Defence Day . Having the first time trying out the rifle , i have a great trial experience on it. It is less bulky , shorter and overall confortable. ( statistically the SAR-21 is heavier , however u cant really feel it heavy lor. )
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funny how come you can't feel the difference...
statistically,sar21 is already heavier than m16 when unloaded and without the batteries.not to mention with a fully loaded mag in!
funny....lor
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Athough i have not tried the two rifles in action as it will be a very different experience out there , than the range , However i have a very good first impression of the SAR-21 which solve most of the discomfort i encountered with the M-16.
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in a way it brought more discomfort to the people tat need to use it on a day to day basis, not to mention bringin it to war..
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Anyone out there with the on-hand experience to share?
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me.the scope is a nice idea though.but m16 and sar21 head on, m16 win hands up for me.
If U think U are Right ...U are Right Lor... -
eh...pls lar..nv go NS yet...then do you know wad you are tokkin abt....
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emmm..... Actually for most of the bulpup design ( including Stery AUG ,SA-80, FAMAS jus to name a few ), removing the mag requires ur the other hand. However if u are well train on the SAR-21 , removing the mag will be much more smoother . On the part where u have to cock the weapon, i fully agrees that u finger could be hurt if ur not careful . However as i said , if u are trained on the SAR-21 , cocking will not be a problem liao.
No offence buddy , however on the part where i stated that the SAR-21 to be less bulky ...blah blah , is my own personal feeling which i believe could be quite different from urs. The SAR-21 could be heavier , however due to the good egonomical design and being altered to have the center of gravity well in place , i personally cant feel much of the difference.Even though it is heavier , for mi the SAR-21 is much more a comfortable rifle than the M-16.
Some of the good points is that the rifle consist of 4 stripping parts , a 3x scope with iron sight , laser aiming device , more lasting material and short barreled. ( did i miss any? )
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eh...pls lar..nv go NS yet...then do you know wad you are tokkin abt....
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Someone ask mi on how i feel abt the rifle , so i jus answer how i feel abt the rifle lah. I do not need to be in NS to state how i feel abt the rifle right?
Yes i lack the experience on the action part , but my experience on the range is jus enough for mi to state my personal opinion on this rifle as i had done the reloading , cocking and shooting part .
I personally dun think that u have to go NS to answer most of the questions here ( if the answer can be found in NS , then y pple still ask ? They have not been? )as u do not have cut urself to openly state that cutting urself is painful. Of course as i had said , i lack the action experience , thus i restrict myself from having opinions abt that. -
eh friend, i been through ns still never seen a sar-21 before... talk about sau ku......
have all active units converted to sar-21?[/i][/u] -
standard issue sar21 is with 1.5 scope.
it has longer bolt carrier. -
enough said. wait til you enter ns and run soc with sar21, then you know....
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friend......relax lah.... i ran my last soc 4 years ago.....and i am really sua ku... really never seen the sar-21 b4 except on photos....
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standard issue sar21 is with 1.5 scope.
it has longer bolt carrier.
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Opps i dun know abt that......lolX . I thought it was 3x .......paisei. -
hmmm...
y hasnt anyone mentioned da IMI Tavor?
or already it has been mentioned but i cock-eyed only
i heard dat da SAR-21 was modelled after da Aug n Tavor...
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Er......this topic was posted several times in SGforums and most of us here knew that.......Originally posted by Stefanism:hmmm...
y hasnt anyone mentioned da IMI Tavor?
or already it has been mentioned but i cock-eyed only
i heard dat da SAR-21 was modelled after da Aug n Tavor...