Light arms
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sowwieee.... its da first time i came into dis forum...
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haha..a few trial round u call that experience...u still in secondary school rite..shud haf join the NCC.at least got adequate experience.
Most of the time i use the carbine as im from the armour but i agree that in terms of weight....the SAR21 is much heavier..kinda awkward on ur 1st try.
However,i still prefer to depend on the reliable m16 as it is realli combat proven worldwide.
the sar21 is rather smooth but its is harder to cock as earlier mentioned but theres less oil 'spills'.
Plus, u haf to carry extra batteries when u go on the battlefield nd i dread that. -
haha..a few trial round u call that experience...u still in secondary school rite..shud haf join the NCC.at least got adequate experience.
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Y is a few trial not an experience? Experience i mean here , is that i have tried the rifle b4 , not the type of experience that an old-bird will tell u.
I have friends in the NCC , not yet fire the SAR-21 , so NCC may not be the best option in order to try the gun.
Btw most NCC cadets have a few shooting rounds on their M-16....is that experience?
Have anyone tried the Stery AUG b4 here? -
i think a change would do us some good... no point indulging in tunnel vision over the m16... it has served us well and its time to move on.Originally posted by MinisterOfDefence:haha..a few trial round u call that experience...u still in secondary school rite..shud haf join the NCC.at least got adequate experience.
Most of the time i use the carbine as im from the armour but i agree that in terms of weight....the SAR21 is much heavier..kinda awkward on ur 1st try.
However,i still prefer to depend on the reliable m16 as it is realli combat proven worldwide.
the sar21 is rather smooth but its is harder to cock as earlier mentioned but theres less oil 'spills'.
Plus, u haf to carry extra batteries when u go on the battlefield nd i dread that.
i really didn't like the m16 when i was in the service... its seriously TOO LONG! your experience with the carbine probably left u with a much better impression of the m16 and its variants.
i hated having to lug that sickening weapon out to field. and as a SecCom, my load isn't very light... i have to take care of my map, my NVG, misc equipment in a SecCom bag, a signal set, a rather awkward headset (which nobody places around his head ) and the LAD and its awkward wire attachments strung all over my weapon. AND I TRUDGE! i don't have the luxury of an amoured vehicle like you 
just imagine all that weight PLUS the old MILES set when u go for ATEC... eh... no fun...
the SAR21, with its integrated LAD is a welcomed innovation to me. u don't have the awkward weight pressing down on your barrel when u fire, u don't have to worry about the stoopid thing and all its sickening attachments getting caught in the vegetation and getting lost out field, and all that nonsense.
an AA sized batt really doesn't weigh a lot... considering that i always had around 10 in my SBO alone as spares for my signal set and some 9v batteries when on ATEC. i wouldn't mind carrying a bit more weight if i can keep my mind off the apprehension of losing flimsily attached equipment. (one AA battery as opposed to losing 1 LAD take your pick )
and its shorter length makes it A LOT easier to handle... it doesn't get caught in vegetation that much cos u can hold it close to your body when u bash and the barrel won't stick out too much, u can sling it while carrying stuff with both hands and it won't dig in the dirt or get caught onto foliage that much.
PLASTIC means u won't have to worry about cleaning it too much too can u imagine carrying an old m16 out field for 3-5 days and having to de-rust it when u return to camp 
(don't even mention the SAW... we used to cuss non stop about the lousy rust protection...)
so i think as forward looking soldiers, we ought to keep an open mind... if everyone was too sentimental, we'ld still be lugging Lee Enfield 303 -
About sniper rifles, guess what sniper rifle the SAF uses? Well, according to www.snipercentral.com, other than the SSG 69, we used the AI Arctic Warfare. I not sure whether to believe it or not. What do you think?
Here's a pic of the AI.
Plus, its specification:
Caliber . . . . . . . . . . . 7.62 NATO (.308 Win)
Operation . . . . . . . . . . Bolt Action
Length . . . . . . . . . . . 44.3 - 47 inches
Weight . . . . . . . . . . . 14.33 lbs (6.5kg) empty without telescope
Barrel Length . . . . . . . . 24 inches
Twist, Right Hand . . . . . . 1 turn in 12 inches
Magazine Capacity . . . . . . 10 or 12 round detachable box magazine
Maximum Effective Range . . . 1000 yards -
those who play counter strike will love and hate this guns. Camper love it , slow lamers hates it.
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it is true...... at least it is known to me that the commandos use it. but not very sure whether other units use it as well....Originally posted by superspitfire:About sniper rifles, guess what sniper rifle the SAF uses? Well, according to www.snipercentral.com, other than the SSG 69, we used the AI Arctic Warfare. I not sure whether to believe it or not. What do you think? Here's a pic of the AI.
Plus, its specification:
Caliber . . . . . . . . . . . 7.62 NATO (.308 Win)
Operation . . . . . . . . . . Bolt Action
Length . . . . . . . . . . . 44.3 - 47 inches
Weight . . . . . . . . . . . 14.33 lbs (6.5kg) empty without telescope
Barrel Length . . . . . . . . 24 inches
Twist, Right Hand . . . . . . 1 turn in 12 inches
Magazine Capacity . . . . . . 10 or 12 round detachable box magazine
Maximum Effective Range . . . 1000 yards -
hmm... since the Commandos used the AI, the Sniper units probably used the SSG
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The cs one the the AI Super Magnum, chambered for the .338 Lapua ammunition, considered the most powerful medium-calibre round to be used for sniper operationsOriginally posted by foxtrout8:those who play counter strike will love and hate this guns. Camper love it , slow lamers hates it. -
i for one prefer da old but always effective Y-shaped catapult... silent deadly n nobody will eva know u r around...
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hahahahaOriginally posted by Stefanism:i for one prefer da old but always effective Y-shaped catapult... silent deadly n nobody will eva know u r around...
btw, why the difference between the type of sniper rifles used by the commandos and other units? -
Tat one not fun.Try the barette .50. shiok manOriginally posted by superspitfire:The cs one the the AI Super Magnum, chambered for the .338 Lapua ammunition, considered the most powerful medium-calibre round to be used for sniper operations -
of course shiok lah . One shot , u cannot find the full body leh.
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theres also da SVD, M98, SR25, M24...
anyone plays Ghost Recon here? -
Oh...the Barrett .50 BMG...They are some mean guns, don't they? But, with the .50 round, I think its mainly used against light-skinned vehicles. Either the Marines, SEALs or both used these guns and boy, did they used it to deadly effect. They probably used it in sniper operations where they really want to finish the enemy in style...
Hmm...What if we purchace these guns? -
what i found out so far is that his unit using the steyr but their armoury got a few of the AI artic warfare.Originally posted by cavsg:not sure, heard from a reservist sniper that reg and nsf are using a new one -
Oh...the Barrett .50 BMG...They are some mean guns, don't they? But, with the .50 round, I think its mainly used against light-skinned vehicles. Either the Marines, SEALs or both used these guns and boy, did they used it to deadly effect. They probably used it in sniper operations where they really want to finish the enemy in style...
Hmm...What if we purchace these guns?
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The philipines marines have such sniper guns , i believe Singapore have no problem aqquiring such rifles. If such rifles have been aqquired , i dun think the government is going to annouce.
The rifle is deadly against the MLRS system in Malaysia........ -
the 3000 version...
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What are the features of the SAR 21 P-Rail and what is the advantage of using it over the original variant?
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I think SAF already has 1 of the M82s.Originally posted by superspitfire:Oh...the Barrett .50 BMG...They are some mean guns, don't they? But, with the .50 round, I think its mainly used against light-skinned vehicles. Either the Marines, SEALs or both used these guns and boy, did they used it to deadly effect. They probably used it in sniper operations where they really want to finish the enemy in style...
Hmm...What if we purchace these guns?
As for the L96.... commando units are using... Good for shooting at ranges more than a click away... but not that good in a hostage situation... imagine... the Lapau round is powerful enough to go through the hostage taker's body and come out the other side... accidents happen..... the hostage might be shot by the same round as well.... considering the range....
SSG69 is alright to some extent though the rifle scope that the SAF use is rather small in diameter.. had difficulty aiming properly... -
As for the SAR21 and M16 comparisons....
My personal opinion only ah.. so dun get offended... =P
Live fired SAR21 twice, dry fired with blanks alot of times and i find the M16 more stable.. the M16 is more slim and provides more comfort support because i have a long arm. the other thing is that the m16 is easier to carry around. The sar21 has the fixed sight and thus u cannot change it for something with bigger magnification. On the M16A2 however, u can strip off the carrying handle and attach your sight of choice.. IR, NV, 3rd gen scopes.... wadever... =)
Plus... the SAR21 i feel is more bulky and a fat cousin of the Steyr AUG. Reloading is also easier in the M16. And the recoil of the M16 is less than that of the SAR21.
Conclusion is.... i give the trusty M16 a thumbsup... For the SAR21, it still needs time for us to accept it... -
den wad caliber exactly do the SSG uses?
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7.62mm
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tts strange...