Merchant ship hits S'pore naval vessel near Pedra Branca
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put it this way. this unfortunate event and discussion urged these peoples to register. you might want to orientate/guide them instead of running them down. to them, read the newspaper or watch tv and takes things here with a pinch of salt. and speculation leads nowhere.Originally posted by cavsg:Thanks for pointing out. I totally agree with you about some comments made here. Some were made by individuals who have never posted in this forum before. Armed with a bit of military jargon. This lot comes here and made nonsense posts. A few are just young kids with no NS background. The most digusting were the comments questioning the SAR mission. Any SAF, SPF or SCDF regular, NSF or NSmen will go all the way to assist another colleague in times of danger. Personal grudges are put aside to help each other. As a NSman, I feel insulted by these comments questioning the professionalism and dedication of the men and women helping out in the SAR. -
Aiyah,some people have no respect for the dead.Let them be.Originally posted by CenturionMBT:It just shows how insensitive you are to pple. It have been an extremely sad week for us here and here you are blaring some crap in the internet. Why don't you sit down and reflect on the words you have just said.Pls be more understanding. -
For the Silkair crash.The navy responded real fast.When the crash happened at around 5.35pm.The RSN ships went full speed ahead and reached the crash site the next morning.Originally posted by YI:the newspaper say it all. read the paper. take everything else with a pinch of salt. -
once get the report then say , point whose fault...now is not the time.....is a sad 4 the starting of the new yr.....
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For those who are interested with the rules of the sea:
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This time round, the navy responded fast as well, reaching the crash site within hours.Originally posted by moose:For the Silkair crash.The navy responded real fast.When the crash happened at around 5.35pm.The RSN ships went full speed ahead and reached the crash site the next morning. -
indeed. the worst way to start a new year.Originally posted by duotiga83:once get the report then say , point whose fault...now is not the time.....is a sad 4 the starting of the new yr..... -
will just respond to the one directed at me. . .
Originally posted by Altrex:I would like to set a few things straight here.
Firstly, if one does not have enough knowledge on a subject matter, one should keep quiet and do not speculate aimlessly and mislead others in the process. While some of the things said in previous posts are correct, many are terribly wrong and distorted.
Commanding Officers of warships throughout the world DO NOT keep normal watches. They are only on the bridge during special times like special sea duty and other operations. This is NOT the merchant navy. The person responsible for the safety of the ship is the Officer of the Watch.
always thought it was the same. . .hmmm, thanx for pointing this out to me and correcting my 'info'. . . another thing, I wanna ask if captain does not keep normal watches, then what does he do? esp. when the ship is on routine patrol duties, which will be the case most of the time???
Navigational radars are ALWAYS on at sea. This is a maritime patrol, not an exercise and there is no such thing as electronic emission restriction policies during maritime patrols.
The merchant vessel struck the aft mess of the ship and sheared off part of it. As mentioned earlier, it is already a miracle that the ship didn't sink. If the merchant vessel hit just 5-10 m ahead, chances are that Courageous would have split into two and sank just like how Titanic sank.
The naval force sent to the accident site is STANDARD. A similar force was sent in 1997 to the Silkair crash. Taking care of our people is paramount. To imply that we are not performing SAR ops to the best of our capabilities is an insult to the name of the SAF and to our men and women still out there NOW.
Please learn your facts before you talk and do not mislead others sure -
The CO does nothing basically...
Sometimes he orders some drills or gathers the crew, but nothing that is essential to the patrol...
He is just there to oversee the whole patrol, but they dun exactly do a lot of "overseeing".... -
i think they should be mature enough not to post such idiotic discussion.Originally posted by YI:put it this way. this unfortunate event and discussion urged these peoples to register. you might want to orientate/guide them instead of running them down. to them, read the newspaper or watch tv and takes things here with a pinch of salt. and speculation leads nowhere.
now, there are posting blaming the crew on duty. saying unkind words about them. how you ever spare a thought for them. which soldier, sailor or airman wished to see another fellow commarde in arms die in the line of duty? guilty or not guilty. who wants to see an empty bed or seat of someone gone forever. those who had served before. don't u remember the time when u made a mistake and let everyone down? how everybody was made to knock it down when u made an error. how do u feel when everyone around u blames you. and how it felt when they accept the punishment and dun blame you, will you have felt better? its not easy to see someone whom u eat, slept, play and train with dies. even if its not your fault, won't u feel the guilt that perhaps you could have done something that could have prevented it? -
veri well said...Originally posted by cavsg:i think they should be mature enough not to post such idiotic discussion.
now, there are posting blaming the crew on duty. saying unkind words about them. how you ever spare a thought for them. which soldier, sailor or airman wished to see another fellow commarde in arms die in the line of duty? guilty or not guilty. who wants to see an empty bed or seat of someone gone forever. those who had served before. don't u remember the time when u made a mistake and let everyone down? how everybody was made to knock it down when u made an error. how do u feel when everyone around u blames you. and how it felt when they accept the punishment and dun blame you, will you have felt better? its not easy to see someone whom u eat, slept, play and train with dies. even if its not your fault, won't u feel the guilt that perhaps you could have done something that could have prevented it?
now is not the time..wait till the report then say..... -
Originally posted by Tachiiri Kinshi:Hey TripWire,
What happen to your SAF POWER this time? ..... bla..bla...bla
Another Malaysia involvement this time .... as what TripWire said before, PEOPLE DIE so what is the big deal. They die for their country, is their duty
Maybe the Merchant Ship comes with special force field eh!!! RSN cound not see it.... or maybe RSN dont have any detaction methods on board ...... words.
or just not capable of handling the situation
ej mat....
Your post is the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime. Your post is an orgy of stultifying cacophonous verbal depravity; an exercise in literary impotence, and an offense to all of good taste and decency.
When I want your monkey-brained opinion I'll rattle your cage, okay? You wouldn't know a clue if it walked up to you, bit you on the ass, and announced 'I AM A CLUE'. Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing? To quote Thomas Brackett Reed: "They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge."
You are about as entertaining as a child's inflatable punching toy. You bop it, it springs back, you bop it again and you forget it ever existed. It slowly deflates in an unused corner, then one day you throw it away. There's nothing wrong with you that couldn't be cured with a little Prozac and a polo mallet, or, better yet, suicide. Maybe you wouldn't read like such a pathetic loser if you weren't so dumb that even blondes tell jokes about you; if your weren't so fat that you look like The Michelin Man man on steroids, or if you didn't have a face that makes Medusa look like a supermodel. No, come to think of it, you would.
To sum up: you are about as smart as your rubber bow tie and two left shoes suggest, Bozo. Now, go curl back up in your corner, and continue chewing on your toenails.
SAF The BEST? ..... if you say so TripWire
SAF are READY? .... if you say so TripWire
You want to be sencitive ... now is not the time.
Look at all this Indonesia & Malaysia bashing with majority of you in this forums..... is not that great & strong after all ... just WORDS. -
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/030106/5/singapore28983.html
24-year-old Sock Ling was planning to get married to 1st Sergeant Mark Koh, also a senior radio operator with the Navy.
The couple met 4 years ago, and had planned to register their marriage once their Bukit Panjang flat was ready.
Mark is not the only one distraught by the sudden loss.
Many of Sock Ling's colleagues are still coming to grips with the departure of a friend they say was cheerful, sporty, kind-hearted, and filial.
wa lau , sad leh ( i hope this will not happen to mi , i will not have courage to continue living if my parther in the same field ,died on duty , my condolences to that guy. )........ ...
and somemore ,some idiotic ass-hole can reply stupid irrelevent , selfish , baseless opinions in this thread. -
Originally posted by foxtrout8:
That's a sad fact of life dude. People take it so lightly simply bcos, they've never been through life-threatening situations before...... they never got a chance to see life rush past them and they've probably never seen someone died in their own eyes before.....
wa lau , sad leh ( i hope this will not happen to mi , i will not have courage to continue living if my parther in the same field ,died on duty , my condolences to that guy. )........ ...
and somemore ,some idiotic ass-hole can reply stupid irrelevent , [b]selfish , baseless opinions in this thread. [/b]
Don't take it too hard dude......it's pointless to ponder over such matters....only makes your hair white.
As for those who replied with sacastic and insensitive remarks, those words (and signature) speaks for themselves..... no need to argue with these worthless. We all know their true intentions and agendas.
Fellow forumers, at times like this we must unite so as to build to wall inpenetratable to those who wish to harm us and damper our spirit. -
Isn't that what the SAF is trained for?To react to emergencies ASAP?Anyway,i will remember the Silkair crash incident for making me run in jeans,T-shirt and boots all the way to my ship to make it in time as the shuttle bus left before i could board it.Originally posted by YI:This time round, the navy responded fast as well, reaching the crash site within hours. -
The problem with most soldiers is that the regret comes after the fact of their action.Originally posted by cavsg:i think they should be mature enough not to post such idiotic discussion.
now, there are posting blaming the crew on duty. saying unkind words about them. how you ever spare a thought for them. which soldier, sailor or airman wished to see another fellow commarde in arms die in the line of duty? guilty or not guilty. who wants to see an empty bed or seat of someone gone forever. those who had served before. don't u remember the time when u made a mistake and let everyone down? how everybody was made to knock it down when u made an error. how do u feel when everyone around u blames you. and how it felt when they accept the punishment and dun blame you, will you have felt better? its not easy to see someone whom u eat, slept, play and train with dies. even if its not your fault, won't u feel the guilt that perhaps you could have done something that could have prevented it?
How many soldiers doze off while on guard duty, with little IMMEDIATE thought of the consequences of their action?
Once you are in uniform, whether in peace time or war, an intruder can come upon you while you are on duty.
Your uniform will make you the IMMEDIATE target.
Your uniform does not identify you as an NSF or a Regular.
The intruder will harm you with the same force to maim or kill you, and get his job done.
When YOU are on duty, stay alert at all times, whether you are an Officer or Non-Commissioned Officer, or Private - be alert to your immediate WORK area and beyond, be a "kay poh" for your own safety and that of your mates, be a little more "kia su" - it does not hurt anyone, be ALERT for your own good and that of others around you. -
From this incident, we've seen many postings. Some idiotic, some truly encouraging. It warms my heart to find that there are singaporeans out there who would not hesistate to contribute to their country in times of need.
A malaysian guy and a singaporean girl once ask me why I would want to fight for singapore in times of war. The girl said she would leave the country immediately. My answer for the girl would be that if I dun fight for my own country, my land. I have nothing. I may be safe in another country but I am just a refugee. When singapore is gone, what can I put down as my citizenship? It cannot be my home. I'm just overstaying in a foreign country whom may not welcome me. When my grandchildren ask me why I never fight, what am I going to say? That I was afraid to die? For the guy, my answer is that its not just the fighting and killing, its not politics. Its about the guy next to you in the trench. Its about people whom you meet once a year in camp. The regulars whom you have build up a friendship. I cannot abandon them to let them fight on their own. Those who had never served would not understand why men who seldom see each other in their daily life would come together and fight for one another.
We few, we happy few. We band of brothers. For he who shed his blood with me today shall be my brother - Henry V -
From this incident, we've seen many postings. Some idiotic, some truly encouraging. It warms my heart to find that there are singaporeans out there who would not hesistate to contribute to their country in times of need.
A malaysian guy and a singaporean girl once ask me why I would want to fight for singapore in times of war. The girl said she would leave the country immediately. My answer for the girl would be that if I dun fight for my own country, my land. I have nothing. I may be safe in another country but I am just a refugee. When singapore is gone, what can I put down as my citizenship? It cannot be my home. I'm just overstaying in a foreign country whom may not welcome me. When my grandchildren ask me why I never fight, what am I going to say? That I was afraid to die? For the guy, my answer is that its not just the fighting and killing, its not politics. Its about the guy next to you in the trench. Its about people whom you meet once a year in camp. The regulars whom you have build up a friendship. I cannot abandon them to let them fight on their own. Those who had never served would not understand why men who seldom see each other in their daily life would come together and fight for one another.
We few, we happy few. We band of brothers. For he who shed his blood with me today shall be my brother - Henry V
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your friend who said she'ld leave immediately is just being silly...
no offence intended, but does anyone in a decent state of mind truly believe that when the shit hits the fan, THEY will actually be the ones who manages to board the last plane/ship out? please...
ask ourselves: who will take u in? u'll just end up in a shithole like woomera.
i'll stay, i'll fight and i'll make the muthafuckers sorry that they even tried to push us around. we'll make our point out there in the battlefield and NO ONE will EVER disrespect us again.
if they ever try attacking our civillians with their flashy new rockets, they we'll burn every single structure standing between johore bahru and alors star!
whether its just a piece of rock in the singapore straits or our own homeland, we shall never give in to their ridiculous demands!
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well said...well said...*clap clap*Originally posted by cavsg:From this incident, we've seen many postings. Some idiotic, some truly encouraging. It warms my heart to find that there are singaporeans out there who would not hesistate to contribute to their country in times of need.
A malaysian guy and a singaporean girl once ask me why I would want to fight for singapore in times of war. The girl said she would leave the country immediately. My answer for the girl would be that if I dun fight for my own country, my land. I have nothing. I may be safe in another country but I am just a refugee. When singapore is gone, what can I put down as my citizenship? It cannot be my home. I'm just overstaying in a foreign country whom may not welcome me. When my grandchildren ask me why I never fight, what am I going to say? That I was afraid to die? For the guy, my answer is that its not just the fighting and killing, its not politics. Its about the guy next to you in the trench. Its about people whom you meet once a year in camp. The regulars whom you have build up a friendship. I cannot abandon them to let them fight on their own. Those who had never served would not understand why men who seldom see each other in their daily life would come together and fight for one another.
We few, we happy few. We band of brothers. For he who shed his blood with me today shall be my brother - Henry V -
I never knew our small, single hulled vessels were so survival, take my hat off to ST Kinetics! Try picturing a Spurance class destroyer survive with that kind of damage!
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It's the people that count.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:I never knew our small, single hulled vessels were so survival, take my hat off to ST Kinetics! Try picturing a Spurance class destroyer survive with that kind of damage! -
Accidents are accidents. I weep as the 3 bodies are found with 1 still missing - hope shes alive. It is sad as we watch the news of how these 3 specialists died on the course of duty to the nation. It bring to us the reality that defence of a nation depends on everyone - men and women alike - these 4 female soldiers are perfect examples. though not in a war, let us pay our respects to these soldiers who devoted their lives to do something that most of us guys only knew to complain about.
Sure, there is always someone to blame when accidents happen. Issit the CO? The Officer on watch? the crew on duty? the merchant ship? The unfortunate thing here is that, barring it is a deliberate attempt, no one, absolutely NO ONE on both ships would want this to happen, so while we mourn the passing of 3 lives, let us remember that those living would have to live with these painful memories for the rest of their lives. Lets make it easier for them.
Some pple merely existed. Some lived their lives. These soldeirs lived. -
Once the investigation is over, and the persons who are negligent in the performance of duty are adequately punished, let us move on but never forget the lost of lives.
Those who are found negligent should not have their careers ended with this incident.
Their experience in this incident will be valuable for the Navy, and for the memory of the Lives Lost.
They will always carry the burden of the Lost Lives wherever their careers take them, so why not keep them in the Navy, so that others can benefit from their experience?
Why should the Navy loose these valuable men with one major crisis like this one? -
I see the point and your noble intention, but it might even be worse if they stay on...tongues will wag, no matter how closely knitted the navy family is...Originally posted by Atobe:Those who are found negligent should not have their careers ended with this incident.
Their experience in this incident will be valuable for the Navy, and for the memory of the Lives Lost.
They will always carry the burden of the Lost Lives wherever their careers take them, so why not keep them in the Navy, so that others can benefit from their experience?
Why should the Navy loose these valuable men with one major crisis like this one?
Would you like to stay in a job that you caused the death of some of your collegues?