Crapping thread for the crappers and the crap.
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hi up to today--there is no oil tanker for oz air force.
Current fleet
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F/A-18 Hornet: multi-role fighter for air-to-air and air-to-ground missionsF-111: supersonic long-range strike aircraft
AP-3C Orion: maritime patrol aircraft
C-17 Globemaster: our first heavy transport aircraft
C-130 Hercules: ubiquitous medium transport aircraft
DHC-4 Caribou: versatile tactical light transport aircraft
Challenger CL-604: VIP transport for up to 9 passengers
BBJ (Boeing Business Jet): VIP transport for up to 30 passengers
Pilatus PC-9/A: basic training aircraft of the Australian Defence Force (ADF), also used for aerobatics and forward air control
Hawk: initial or lead-in fighter trainer
King Air: versatile aircraft primarily used for training, also used for other transport tasks
Future acquisitions
Wedgetail AEW&C: our first airborne early warning and control aircraft is due early 2007
KC-30B MRTT: the new KC-30B Multi-Role Tanker Transports will replace the Boeing 707s from 2009
F/A-18F Super Hornet: upgraded multi-role fighter will replace the F-111s in 2010
JSF: the Joint Strike Fighter is the most likely aircraft to replace the Hornets and F-111s after 2012
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old news lionnoisy,
please refer to a few posts back for your reply and pwnage.
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hhahaha...
we should post the lionnoisy pwnage pictures.
hang on, i'm going to post the set contributed by everyone...
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LOL. that was a good laugh
haha u buay pan chan him ar SG Ty ?
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LOL, why pan chan? Nonsense is always good to debunk...
I'm waiting for his next EPIC slipup, while he does make rather funny mistakes practically all of the time, the funniest and most epic was when he was caught using clones after just a few posts, his panicked and anyhow wack reactions after having being caught red handed was priceless.
Best part, he even tried to accuse me of framing him for using clones, then he changed his story, and then changed it again. In the end he dissappeared for a while to calm himself down giving everyone a few days of peace, and when he returned he was a lot less noisy then before.
LOL, now that was funny.
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i m sorry for the shoddy work but i m running on me mac at work now.
enjoy lionnoisy
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ace man, ace
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just for you SG TY, by popular demand :
Vote Lionnoisy : COUNTRY FIRST (since he does that anyway without us prompting)
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You guys are really turning him into a cult icon...
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U'know, I always tot spam was made from pigs, not lions....
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Maybe lionnoisy can reach Obama status!
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What i have done is repeating what reported in Oz main medias
or official report.No empty words.I am sorry again i break your beautiful dream.
Why Oz is always bullied by USA contractors?
Here is more bad news:
1.Credibility of Radar on Wedgetail AEW is to be tested by MIT
and its FOC delayed to 2012.
2.FFG ESM is still works in progress.
Every word and figure is well supported by official sources.
U call it anti--Australian!!Ok here is some more.
Wedgetail AEW---a castle in the air
i was inspird by a article in JDW 5 nov 2008,by Julian Kerr
Australia launches probe into Wedgetail MESA radar
1.1 Five years behind schedule
It will be delivered in 2012,hopefully,5 years behind schedule!!
http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/s11361.pdf
Wednesday, 22 October 2008
Senate, FAD&T 65
Air Vice Marshal Deeble—I believe we have schedule risk associated with the program. Next week will help me confirm exactly where I sit with the radar, which will bound my overall problem space. What I have told Chief of Air Force and CDF is that I believe that we could, if we worked through some of these significant
issues, look at initial operational capability at around the end of 2011 and a full operational capability around 2012—assuming that there is some risk that will be realised in the not-too-distant future. That is what my
current planning base is. I do not want to set expectations that I cannot achieve. I have significant technical risks in the case of the MESA radar, which will really bound that problem for me.No need to worrry.Oz has not been attacked since WW2.
There is no potentail threat to oz.Why do oz need AEW?
Isn't the Ocean the best barrier?
Delaying is a norm for oz Mage Defence projects:
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rp/2007-08/08rp31.pdf
page 169
Wedgetail (Project AIR 5077—Airborne Early Warning and Control)
A contract was signed with
Boeing in December 2000, and the first aircraft was to be in-service by early 2007Tactical UAVs (Project JP 129 Airborne Surveillance for Land Operations)
(lion note--the above UAV has been cancelled)
Tiger Armed Reconnaissance Helicopters (Project AIR 87)
Guided Missile Frigate upgrade (Project SEA 1390 - FFG UP)
1.2 Why Oz looks at "how to complete the radar development to an
effective level",8 years after the contract is signed?
I cant believe my eyes.Oz talks about radar development,8 years
after they signed contract with Boeing.
Shall the full radar spec and development had been completed
before the contract was signed?
Does Oz doubt the capability of the radar?
http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/s11361.pdf
page 69
Mr Warren King, General Manager, Programs, DMO
Defence Material Organisation,Oz Defence Department
Mr King—There are a couple of other things we have done recently that add to the program picture. The first thing we have done is we have written to Boeing to indicate under what circumstances we would enter into acceptance testing. I think it is important to establish that. The second thing we are doing is engaging the
pre-eminent independent radar house in the US. It is called Lincoln Laboratory.# We have engaged them,through the US, to have a look at the radar issues with us to give us a third opinion, if you like—as well as one from the company and one from ourselves—particularly about how to complete the radar development to an
effective level.#--lion note
MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Oz FFG problems of new ESM,C-Pearl,"near resolution"
JDW 18.06.2008 Tim Fish reported,
under headline
Australia near resolution of C-Pearl problems
Electronic Support Measure
This is to replace AN/SLQ-32 ESM.
In a Parlimental Committee hearing
on 4 June 2008,
Warren King of oz DMO said,among other things:
http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/S10871.pdf
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA
Official Committee HansardSENATE
STANDING COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE
AND TRADEESTIMATES
(Budget Estimates)
WEDNESDAY, 4 JUNE 2008
CANBERRAWe found antennas with a physical leak in them; the antennas have been replaced
by the company.We found hardware deficiencies.
We found some mounting deficiencies.
We found some software deficiencies. I might add that through this detailed analysis
we also found, surprisingly perhaps, some deficiencies on fitted equipment that has been there for quite some time which generated spike. It was a very thorough trials process.
OZ FFG cant go to war Military Nuts
[PDF]
Management of the FFG Capability Upgrade---104 pages report!!
-http://www.anao.gov.au/uploads/documents/2007-08_Audit_Report_11.pdf
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Wall of of text knn lol
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Initial operational capability(IOC) and Full operational capability(FOC)
Wow!The above concept is still living in ADF.I quote in the above
posts and repeat here.
http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/s11361.pdf
Wednesday, 22 October 2008
Senate, FAD&T 65
Air Vice Marshal Deeble.
(Wedgetail AEW)look at initial operational capability at around the end of 2011 and a full operational capability around 2012
Have IOC and FOC of Collind Class submarines been declared?
http://www.navy.gov.au/HMAS_Collins
below--If u can find any official and reliable info that any of the Collins sub
has been declared FOC,i will stop posting in this forum for 3 weeks?
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http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/s11361.pdf
the risk most projects in the eyes of DMO
and the concerns of the MESA radar
what are the five worst projects on your books, by risk, that give you the
most concern?
Mr Gillis—On 4 June you asked a very similar question, and Dr Gumley gave the response of Wedgetail,
HF Mod, Vigilaire, Tiger and Super Seasprites, in addition to the M113s.Mr King—Likewise, Senator. I would say that our No. 1 priority is AEW&C—that is, the airborne earlywarning aircraft. It has been the subject, obviously, of a number of questions at these committee hearings and
in the public domain. I have Air Vice Marshal Deeble, who is the program manager, here with me. Would you
like an update on these five programs?
Senator JOHNSTON—I would very much like an update.
Mr King—This program will deliver the military a very highly capable aircraft, one that we have not had before. It is not a replacement capability; it is a new capability. With that comes a range of technical challenges, as you are aware. I will ask the Air Vice Marshal to give you a quick update on the program and
the latest actions we are taking to keep that on track for the future.
Air Vice Marshal Deeble—The Wedgetail program remains a very complex technical program. My primary concern at the moment is the performance of the MESA radar. It is a multirole, electronically scanned
array. We are in the middle of trying to baseline the current performance of the radar with Boeing and Northrop Grumman prior to entry into formal acceptance testing of that particular system.
Over recent months we have started discrete testing in an acceptance testing context for parts of the aircraft,but radar, of course, is the primary sensor and is the one that is causing us concern at the moment with respect
to its current performance. That baselining activity will take some time. It will require us to test the radar in a number of different domains, predominantly in the Canadian and continental US arenas, to confirm that
baseline performance and then be able to determine whether we are at a sufficient level of maturity. Maturityfor the radar is going to be made up of performance, whether it meets its performance specification, and
stability, whether it meets a normal mission requirement. We are conducting operational assessments as we go through that baselining activity. As we determine a level of performance, we then look at what that means in
the operational context. That activity is ongoing: by the end of this year I envisage I will have a very good handle on exactly what the radar will do, what shortfalls it may have, what the operational implications are
and, hopefully, a path forward agreed with Boeing at that point in time.
I have recently written to Boeing about our ongoing concerns with the technical performance of the radar
and we are working through those issues with Boeing as we speak. I will be in Seattle next week to work through those issues quite specifically with them. The questions I have asked of them are about what they
believe the current baseline performance to be; what action they will take to remediate any shortfalls in performance and, if there are residual shortfalls, how we will work together to understand what those shortfalls
are and how we would go about resolving them. At this point in time the radar is at a critical juncture. It is the primary sensor.
Senator JOHNSTON—This MESA radar is manufactured by whom?
Air Vice Marshal Deeble—Northrop Grumman Corporation.hnnnnnnnn
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DISCLAIMER :
for anyone just about to read the above posts, please remember,
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orphanage system---This is a term created in a report about Collins sub.
Oz like to install very unique system in mega defence project,
ie the first in the class.But u have seen the consequences of this
uniquness mindset ot Australiaized products!!
Some times,the hardwares or softwares (computer programmes
)of different system may not match!!
The recent examples is the scrapped Seaspirits heli programme.
Oz wanted to fix a very modern sys into the Vietnam era airframe!!
Senator JOHNSTON—Northrop Grumman. Who else is using this radar in the same sensing role that we anticipate using it?
Air Vice Marshal Deeble—We are the first customer of this particular radar. The AEWAC capability is the first of type.
Senator JOHNSTON—Yes.
Air Vice Marshal Deeble—The same radar is also going to be installed on the Turkish aircraft currently undergoing flight test in the US. I think there may be an aircraft flying in Turkey as we speak. That is the sameradar.
Senator JOHNSTON—Is their radar operational?
Air Vice Marshal Deeble—Their radar is very much reliant on us resolving those issues. We are the first customer. A lot of the testing that we are conducting will confirm baseline performance for those other nations.
Korea is also on contract for this capability, and it is the same radar that is inherent in the Korean aircraft—what they term their EX program.
Senator JOHNSTON—But we are at the head of the queue?
Air Vice Marshal Deeble—We are at the head of the queue.
Senator JOHNSTON—Very good. I am sorry I interrupted; please continue.
Air Vice Marshal Deeble—That is okay. The ESM—electronic support measures, the ability to passively determine what is occurring in the electromagnetic arena around the aircraft—is also another system that we
are working on closely. BAE Systems Australia is currently responsible as a subcontractor to Boeing for the provision of that system. We have been working closely with Boeing to understand exactly where we are. I did
discuss that particular system last time I was at Senate estimates. That is one of the reasons we are looking at an incremental delivery—that has been offered by Boeing. That system has lagged in its development. I think
we are at the cusp of being able to resolve those issues. We will have to conduct further developmental tests and evaluation to determine what those system issues are and what the integrated system performance will be.
Senator JOHNSTON—That BAE ESM system is called what?
Air Vice Marshal Deeble—It is the ALR 2001, a variant of the 2001. That system was developed by an Israeli company, Elta Systems. BAE Systems Australia has them on subcontract to provide that system.
Senator JOHNSTON—Where else is that system deployed in the configuration where we would wish to deploy it?
Air Vice Marshal Deeble—There is no other system out there that is deployed in the same configuration.
We are a very significant modification of the ALR 2001. That system is currently resident in the AP3C but we have expanded those capabilities in the AEWAC context.Who wants to be a gunine pig?
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lol, who's going to read it?
all i saw was this:
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
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orphanage system---This is a term created in a report about Collins sub.
Oz like to install very unique system in mega defence project,
ie the first in the class.But u have seen the consequences of this
uniquness mindset ot Australiaized products!!
Some times,the hardwares or softwares (computer programmes
)of different system may not match!!
The recent examples is the scrapped Seaspirits heli programme.
Oz wanted to fix a very modern sys into the Vietnam era airframe!!
Who wants to be a gunine pig?
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Eh lionnoisy,
You still haven't replied to the mistakes you made in the thread about STK being first and only in the world to develop ABM.
Pls answer.
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HAHAH...
MSG for lionnoisy :
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Sorry lionnoisy,
Can you translate your post to english we don't understand what you are trying to say.
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Originally posted by sgstars:
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MSG for lionnoisy :
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