MALAYSIA TEST THEIR MESSILE
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did any1 read todays newspaper?? the RMAF just tested their long range missile >?? i wonder did i read it correctly. coz i read it in the chinese paper. and my chi. is not good..
so any comment on tat?? treat to us ?? -
which papers?!
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[-t-] or superhornet64 or whatever his name is . . ., he posted that the ASTROS II is 4th Gen. Anyone have any idea what is 1st 2nd and 3rd Gen. then for such a weapon??? i have no idea. . . and cruise missile? never heard anything about that before. . . Also, anyone has any idea whats the cost of the whole thing, esp. its rockets, since Malaysia could actually launch so many rockets for a demo, I think the rockets are most likely not too expensive, which is not heartening for Singapore. Only thing to knock this thing out from a distance is through use of helicopters, SS80 rockets are like twice the range of Singapore arty. . .Originally posted by duotiga83:
And i just remembered. .. if Malaysia really gets cruise missiles, Singapore will probably have to get the land-launched version of the Barak -
I guess the first gen is probably the WW II "Stalin Organ" or the Katyusha(spelling) or BM21.
I think the Germans also came up with their own multi-launched rockets.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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I don't think so. Even if it is I think there's nothing much to fear. We knew about those Astros long ago anyway.Originally posted by spencer99:I guess the first gen is probably the WW II "Stalin Organ" or the Katyusha(spelling) or BM21.
I think the Germans also came up with their own multi-launched rockets.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Is Malaysia's test-firing a signal to Singapore?
Anyone realise things have been quiet down ever since DR.M went for vacation for 2 months. Even his Mr Hamid toned down his speeches on SG........
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PLEASE lah... launch 24 rockets of each types... 48 rockets total and u think its a lot???Originally posted by laser51088:cruise missile? never heard anything about that before. . . Also, anyone has any idea whats the cost of the whole thing, esp. its rockets, since Malaysia could actually launch so many rockets for a demo, I think the rockets are most likely not too expensive, which is not heartening for Singapore.
the Astros can load four 300mm calibre SS-60 and SS-80 rockets at a time... and how many launch vehicles were involved in the exercise? i dunno... 6? thats just one salvo for each vehicle for each type of rocket...
its meaningless to launch less since a typical battery configuration consists of six AV-LMU Universal Multiple Launchers, six AV-RMD Ammunition Supply Vehicles together with an optional AV-UCF Fire Control Unit. An AV-VCC Command and Control Vehicle / Fire Control Unit together with two mobile workshop vehicles which would be stationed at the battalion headquarters.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/astros/index.html#astros5
and the Astros can be used to launch a tactical missile with a range of 300km. don't think malaysia bought it though... as if they'll kiss and tell with something like this
the Astros is indeed a very flexible and promising artillery saturation system... they made a good choice with it.
anyone knows the specs of the HIMAR MLRS system? might be a good idea to get that to maintain Sg's edge. -
Originally posted by CX:
Let me provide you the gist of the report at Utusan Malaysia...eventhough my Malay is now quite rusty due to lack of use.
[b]PLEASE lah... launch 24 rockets of each types... 48 rockets total and u think its a lot???
the Astros can load four 300mm calibre SS-60 and SS-80 rockets at a time... and how many launch vehicles were involved in the exercise? i dunno... 6? thats just one salvo for each vehicle for each type of rket...
its meaningless to launch less since a typical battery configuration consists of six AV-LMU Universal Multiple Launchers, six AV-RMD Ammunition Supply Vehicles together with an optional AV-UCF Fire Control Unit. An AV-VCC Command and Control Vehicle / Fire Control Unit together with two mobile workshop vehicles which would be stationed at the battalion headquarters.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/astros/index.html#astros5
and the Astros can be used to launch a tactical missile with a range of 300km. don't think malaysia bought it though... as if they'll kiss and tell with something like this
the Astros is indeed a very flexible and promising artillery saturation system... they made a good choice with it.
anyone knows the specs of the HIMAR MLRS system? might be a good idea to get that to maintain Sg's edge.
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The reports states that 24 SS60 and 24 SS80 live rockets were used and the launch was right on target which was 60km away. It took 117sec for the rockets to reach the target area. Since it was a sea target, the effects of the weapons cannot be seen. And it was only done this way because they is no live firing range long enough for this demonstartion. The army plans to get the SS30 (35km) range so that the next live firing can be conducted at Asahan and the effects can clearly be seen.
Each rocket weighs 535kg and contains tens of anti-personnel and anti-tank submunition and can cover 1 sqkm.
The MAF plans to get another regiment equipped with Astros later.
Now you can make some calculations,
each launcher - 4 rockets
18 launchers - 72 rockets.
To blanket an area of 644 sqkm - 9 salvoes needed.
When next regiment becomes operationally ready - 36 launchers.
To blanket an area of 644 sqkm - 5 salvoes needed.
First salvo to target - 2min.
Basically, your worst nightmare! -
the RMAF did not test fire missiles.Originally posted by ETboy:did any1 read todays newspaper?? the RMAF just tested their long range missile >?? i wonder did i read it correctly. coz i read it in the chinese paper. and my chi. is not good..
so any comment on tat?? treat to us ??
it was the malaysian army that rest fired their ASTROS II MLRS.
the ASTROS II belongs to the 22 RAD(regimen artileri diraja- or royal artilery regiment) of Malaysian Army.
if u can read BM, u can come here to read more about it:
http://www.tempur.com.my/art_astros_1.htm
it is "Tempur's" official website. tempur is a local defenc magazine.
also, we are using the G-5 Mk 3 not G-5 mK2 ARTILLERY.
there is a cruise missile being developed by abrivas..try to look for it on the net... -
btw, the cost for all of the ASTROS II is about RM791M (if im not mistaken)
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here is some info from the net about the cruise missile for the ASTROS II:
from : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1525374.stm
The Brazilian company Avibras Industria Aeroespacial has said it will build South America's first locally-made cruise missile.
Avibras produced the Astros II multiple launchers rockets system (MLRS), used with devastating results by the US-lead allies against Iraqi troops during the Gulf war.
The arms-maker hopes to offer its cruise missile for sale internationally as a simpler and cheaper option to the US-made Tomahawk. which has a price tag of $500,000.
Brazil's arms manufacturers have become increasingly successful in winning overseas contracts.
Sales offensive
In August, plane-maker Embraer won its first export orders for the Super Tucano turbo-prop fighter and might sell another 22 to its Canadian rival Bombardier for use in a Nato flying school.
The Brazilian cruise missile - the AV/MT 300 - will be able to deliver 200kg of explosives to a target up to 300km away, the company said in a statement.
The world's leading cruise missile, Tomahawk, built by Raytheon has a range of 1,500km and can carry a warhead up to 500kg.
Successful recovery
The firm, which also builds communications antennae and rockets for scientific use, has made a strong recovery in recent years, paying off most of its debts after filing for bankruptcy in the early 1990s.
The company continues to sell the Astros II (Artillery Saturation Rocket System) which is considered as one of the most lethal in the world.
The US-lead forces used the Astros II to drop thousands of bomblets known as "steel rain" on Iraqi troops during Operation Desert Storm before the main ground offensives.
Avibras is also a joint investor with European defence company EADS in Freewing Aerial Robotics, which is developing the Scorpion UAV (unmanned air vehicle), but is currently in some financial difficulties.
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another reason why we are not firing many rockets is bcoz it is expensive.
RM 17M for the exercise.
and for your info, the ASTROS II fires its rockets and inside the rockets, there will be small bombs and the rocket will open when reaching a certain height and the bomblets will be able to cover a very wide area..
so its not like : you fire the rocket...and the rocket hits the target...the bomblets will hit the target...that is why it is so lethal -
hey guys, innocent_malaysian is back
(dont worry, i wont flame)
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it only means that our troopers gonna dig in ..and dig in FAST upon captured of any objectives.
dun take diggin shellscrape and trenches easily in the future and definitely dun take ur own sweet time. -
Quick! Get more Chaffs and Flares!!!!
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huh?Originally posted by Eiizumi:Quick! Get more Chaffs and Flares!!!!
i didnt know chaffs and flares could counter rockets. -
"Singapore Technologies Kinetics is also understood to be developing a new full-tracked SP 155mm/39-cal artillery system based on a modified United Defense M109 chassis for the SAF. It is already undergoing firing trials."
From Janes. -
Originally posted by [-t-]:
another reason why we are not firing many rockets is bcoz it is expensive.
RM 17M for the exercise.
and for your info, the ASTROS II fires its rockets and inside the rockets, there will be small bombs and the rocket will open when reaching a certain height and the bomblets will be able to cover a very wide area..
so its not like : you fire the rocket...and the rocket hits the target...the [b]bomblets will hit the target...that is why it is so lethal[/b]Now you can make some calculations,
well lets say it takes 1 rocket for 10sqkm....so it's what 5 salvoes....?hehe i'm just estimating here
each launcher - 4 rockets
18 launchers - 72 rockets.
To blanket an area of 644 sqkm - 9 salvoes needed -
i am not as optimistic about that ASTRO2 (for simple.. i will call it A2)
first... my biggest question and doubt has been why they launch the rockets out to sea... according to them.. its because they dont have the neccessary firing range... i have the following doubt...
1... the A2 wasnt bought overnight... surely there are more then enough time for MAF to prep a land for the LF if they so wanted..
2... considering the size of malaysia... and the abundance of uninhabited land.. including sparsley populated east malaysia.. it should not take much time at all to cordon an area for such a LF exercise...(unless their rocket is so damn inaccurate... they dont think they can find that big piece of land even in malaysia for LF!! )
3... if they no have a LF range... why they so desperate to conduct the LF without it?? so much so... they are willing to waste 17million ringgit of rockets... to just see it shoot into the sea??
therefore... i suspect.. that the real reason for conducting a LF into the sea is possibly because they wanna hide something....
by firing the rockets into the sea... they can at least achieve 3 objectives...
1... they can hide the accuracy of the rocket.... including the rockets reliability ( how many rockets really reach the targeted range)
2... they can hide the firepower of the rocket (as we all know... submunitions are not really power against armored targets, HDB flats and hardened bunkers) its actually no more then an expensive system to throw 64 grenades across a long distance...
3... they can hide if they really really got rockets with submunitions, although such purchase is possible... but the distribution of the submunitions are subjected to wind and other laws of physics... which may not result in even coverage over the entire zone...
the above are just merely my personnel suspicion...
lastly... considering that it took over 100 second for the rocket to reach its destination... its within the SCDF's and SAF's ability to detect the rockets... sound the civil defence alarm and get as many singaporean into the HS for safety...
the effectiveness of this system against singapore HDB land will be limited over time as singaporeans gets more alerted and more ready to move into the HS at a moments warning... -
for those of you who doubt the strength of HDB flats... just look back to the NY WTC terrorist attack...
the direct impact plus explosions from those thoudsands of gallons of jet fuels from a passenger plane could not bring down WTC towers (the WTC towers collapsed eventually because of the fire which weaken the steel bars that held up the structure)
singapore HDB buildings are reinforced concrete structures.. like the NY WTC... its doubtful that CM from Malaysia's MRLS which held probably less then 10kg explosive each is sufficient to take down a HDB flat when explosive demolition experts would need hundreds if not thoudsands of kilogram of explosive ...strategically placeds (sometimes in holes drilled into the supporting columns) timed to bring down a building.... -
actually the ASTROS II ( NOT ASTRO II ) was couldnt be fired from somewhere else bcoz the A2 was fired during a ceremony(not sure what ceremony). and if the A2 was fired somewhere else, the officials wouldnt be able to see the firing from the place where the ceremony was held.
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Originally posted by [-t-]:
rephrase pls...cant understand
actually the ASTROS II ( [b]NOT ASTRO II ) was couldnt be fired from somewhere else bcoz the A2 was fired during a ceremony(not sure what ceremony). and if the A2 was fired somewhere else, the officials wouldnt be able to see the firing from the place where the ceremony was held.
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i mean are you saying that the A2 was fired not as a public live fire but as a part of a ceremony whereby the firing was part of the program? -
i forgot what cermony.Originally posted by |-|05|:rephrase pls...cant understand
i mean are you saying that the A2 was fired not as a public live fire but as a part of a ceremony whereby the firing was part of the program?
but i think its anneversary of TDM.
but actually, the firing was one of the main things -
ahh so it was a ceremony where the firing was part of the program and not a public showing of the A2....ok thx for clarifyingOriginally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:i forgot what cermony.
but i think its anneversary of TDM.
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what talking you.....the previous flat i stayed always got spalling ceiling problem! HDB block built with reinforce concrete....my foot!Originally posted by tripwire:for those of you who doubt the strength of HDB flats... just look back to the NY WTC terrorist attack...
the direct impact plus explosions from those thoudsands of gallons of jet fuels from a passenger plane could not bring down WTC towers (the WTC towers collapsed eventually because of the fire which weaken the steel bars that held up the structure)
singapore HDB buildings are reinforced concrete structures.. like the NY WTC... its doubtful that CM from Malaysia's MRLS which held probably less then 10kg explosive each is sufficient to take down a HDB flat when explosive demolition experts would need hundreds if not thoudsands of kilogram of explosive ...strategically placeds (sometimes in holes drilled into the supporting columns) timed to bring down a building....
I rather take my chances hiding in the lokang.