Military Strength Of South East Asia
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I read in the New paper about the test missiles Malaysia launched at RM17 million and then they showed some of the arms Malaysia,Singapore and Thailand had.. Impressive considering from someone who doesn't keep track with military updates.
Singapore :
Landtanks Apache AH64D Attack Helicopters US$60m each Eurofighter Typhoon US$60m each Dassault Rafale Aircraft Su-35 aircraft US$35-37m each French Frigates
Malaysia :
One Agosta Submarine and two scorpene SSK Class submarines US$972m total Sukhoi Su-30 Aircraft US$35-37m Polish Land Tanks European JERNAS short range missile systems US$316m Russian IGLA air defence system US$48m Assault rifles and other equipment US$80.5m Denel AH-2A Rooivalk attack helicopters US$25m each MIG-29M2 Aircraft MA6 555 SN Fennec Helicopters Meko A-100 RMN class Corvettes
Thailand :
KC 135R stratotanker aircraft US$53m each Airborne Early Warning Aircraft (E2c Hawkeye) Reconditioned F-16 from US
All from New Paper 10 March 2003
I am particularly impressed with Malaysia's spending prowess to strengthen their military instead of improving on their citizen's welfare.
Any guys who can help me find out other Elite weapons/aircrafts/tanks singapore has that is not disclosed here? Thanks
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Denel AH-2A Rooivalk attack helicopters US$25m each
actually, the designation for the version Malaysia might get is AH-2D not AH-2A..and the cost will be +/- of the AH-64A Apache -
its from Newpaper, dun misquote me on that.Originally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:actually, the designation for the version Malaysia might get is AH-2D not AH-2A..and the cost will be +/- of the AH-64A Apache -
and i would replace the MIG-29M2 Aircraft with the F/A=18F costing at least USD 70 million a piece..not including trading in the old hornets....dunno how much we can get for the old bugs..
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I think you have to see what portion of the GDP does each nation spend on the stuff. The percentage will determine if anyone is overspending.
I got a question for you .. you have 5040 posts and is still a junior member? How is that possible? -
Originally posted by Master -_-:I read in the New paper about the test missiles Malaysia launched at RM17 million and then they showed some of the arms Malaysia,Singapore and Thailand had.. Impressive considering from someone who doesn't keep track with military updates.
Singapore :
Landtanks Apache AH64D Attack Helicopters US$60m each Eurofighter Typhoon US$60m each Dassault Rafale Aircraft Su-35 aircraft US$35-37m each French Frigates
Malaysia :
One Agosta Submarine and two scorpene SSK Class submarines US$972m total Sukhoi Su-30 Aircraft US$35-37m Polish Land Tanks European JERNAS short range missile systems US$316m Russian IGLA air defence system US$48m Assault rifles and other equipment US$80.5m Denel AH-2A Rooivalk attack helicopters US$25m each MIG-29M2 Aircraft MA6 555 SN Fennec Helicopters Meko A-100 RMN class Corvettes
Thailand :
KC 135R stratotanker aircraft US$53m each Airborne Early Warning Aircraft (E2c Hawkeye) Reconditioned F-16 from US
All from New Paper 10 March 2003
I am particularly impressed with Malaysia's spending prowess to strengthen their military instead of improving on their citizen's welfare.
Any guys who can help me find out other Elite weapons/aircrafts/tanks singapore has that is not disclosed here? Thanks Eurofighter Typhoon US$60m each Dassault Rafale Aircraft Su-35 aircraft US$35-37m each
these 3 a/c r not confirm in our RFP competition yet.....
The RFP have not annouce....... -
i did not say u r wrong..i was meaning the paper...thats all...Originally posted by Master -_-:its from Newpaper, dun misquote me on that. -
Budget, i dun keep track.. i only keep track of finance news..haha..Originally posted by kenhor:I think you have to see what portion of the GDP does each nation spend on the stuff. The percentage will determine if anyone is overspending.
I got a question for you .. you have 5040 posts and is still a junior member? How is that possible?
and maybe they dun like me, thats why i am still junior
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ur using my quote wat.. hahahaaOriginally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:i did not say u r wrong..i was meaning the paper...thats all... -
i was using ur quote from the papers....no offence to you..Originally posted by Master -_-:ur using my quote wat.. hahahaa
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hahaha.. relax bro.. just goofing aroundOriginally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:i was using ur quote from the papers....no offence to you.. -
yup..peace brudder..Originally posted by Master -_-:hahaha.. relax bro.. just goofing around -
the newpaper is incorrect...some of the equipment r not in contract yet....
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if i have any amount of money.. certainly, i would buy the best aircrafts,tanks,submarines money can buy
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I found the term "land tanks" extremely amerturish... then what... air tanks or sea tanks ah...
at least MBT or Light Tanks would hve made more sense...
looks like the article anyhow zham their info one... -
Dun trust wat the New paper's Defense Report , unless it is an official statement from the government. I have come across a number of such report which contain mistakes and some of them are directly cut and paste from the internet .
They are jus reporters ( not even amathur on the subject ) who are ask to report on a particular subject for the reader's leisure onli. -
Mistakes:
Singapore: 1)Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale are still
under consideration
2)We are considering Su-30 and not Su-35
3)We just laid the keel of the french frigates
4)Thought the price of each AH-64 isn't this high
Malaysia: 5)They have chosen the Rooivalk attack helicopters
but have no money to buy them.
6)MIG-29M2 and Su-30 are still under consideration
under the MRCA deal.
Thailand: 7)RTAF does not operate any KC 135R or any mid-air
refuelling aircraft.
8 )RTAF does not operate any AEW&C
aircraft so what's there about the E-2C?
From what i've seen so far, most of SPH papers reports about military stuff are in bad taste like RSAF having 5 F-5 squadrons and labelling surface to surface missile(SSM) as ground to ground missiles and anti-ship missiles as ship to ship missiles. -
please forgive them...
when it comes to military hardware... those reporters at the SPH is close to a retard....
and they sure as hell... love to show the world.. how retarded they can be....
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Actually you can't really blame them. After all, there is not much military news locally, so I don't think they SPH can afford to have a military expert in their stable for a ones' in a blue moon article.Originally posted by tripwire:please forgive them...
when it comes to military hardware... those reporters at the SPH is close to a retard....
and they sure as hell... love to show the world.. how retarded they can be....
And most of the military news like Iraq they usually debate from the political angle instead looking at pure military hardware.
Oh yeah, we must also look at the readership. This is not the "Asian Defence Review" or "Janes ...." , this is the "New Paper", I think the "Land Tanks" is more for those ah pehs....
I have to admit that it is really quite difficult to get local military information. That is why I think the "Defending the Lion City" is really so good. -
Originally posted by spencer99:
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Actually you can't really blame them. After all, there is not much military news locally, so I don't think they SPH can afford to have a military expert in their stable for a ones' in a blue moon article.
And most of the military news like Iraq they usually debate from the political angle instead looking at pure military hardware.
Oh yeah, we must also look at the readership. This is not the "Asian Defence Review" or "Janes ...." , this is the "New Paper", I think the "Land Tanks" is more for those ah pehs....
I have to admit that it is really quite difficult to get local military information. That is why I think the "Defending the Lion City" is really so good.
straits time used to have a very good reporter named felix soh. he's good in the military stuffs in singapore. think he moved on to business times.
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actually i find it incredible that after so many years of NS... we got baboons as editors or reporters in local SPH media...Originally posted by spencer99:Actually you can't really blame them. After all, there is not much military news locally, so I don't think they SPH can afford to have a military expert in their stable for a ones' in a blue moon article.
And most of the military news like Iraq they usually debate from the political angle instead looking at pure military hardware.
Oh yeah, we must also look at the readership. This is not the "Asian Defence Review" or "Janes ...." , this is the "New Paper", I think the "Land Tanks" is more for those ah pehs....
I have to admit that it is really quite difficult to get local military information. That is why I think the "Defending the Lion City" is really so good. -
I did not have a chance to read the original article, but from the extract I agree that it is grossly misleading. And how can a Apache cost USD60mn. You can buy 2 to 3 F16s for that price!
But I think those guys in SPH have to strike a balance between getting information across that is interesting to the "average" reader.
If we put what is written in this Military Nuts Forum on the New Paper, I think at least 80% will not understand or will not appreciate.
We have many years of NS, but I don't think the "typical" NS person or even SAF regular have much knowledge beyond their normal scope of duties.
It will be good to do a survey of a batch of ORDed NSFs and see how many of them can understand the meaning of :
Frigate
Stealth
MLRS
Sub-munition
Barak
Shoot-and-Scoot(spelling??)
JSF -
I am no at all surprised that a whole bunch of ORD'ed NSF wouldn't have much of a clue other than their scope of duties. Anyway, many see NS as paying national debt. Only true blue military nuts like us would spend time reading and researching on military technologies and stuffs.Originally posted by spencer99:I did not have a chance to read the original article, but from the extract I agree that it is grossly misleading. And how can a Apache cost USD60mn. You can buy 2 to 3 F16s for that price!
But I think those guys in SPH have to strike a balance between getting information across that is interesting to the "average" reader.
If we put what is written in this Military Nuts Forum on the New Paper, I think at least 80% will not understand or will not appreciate.
We have many years of NS, but I don't think the "typical" NS person or even SAF regular have much knowledge beyond their normal scope of duties.
It will be good to do a survey of a batch of ORDed NSFs and see how many of them can understand the meaning of :
Frigate
Stealth
MLRS
Sub-munition
Barak
Shoot-and-Scoot(spelling??)
JSF
Anyway, the cost figures of the platforms are grossly misquoted. If they are in ringgit, they will sound almost correct. Anyway, for quoting that Singapore is getting Rafales, Typhoon, SU-35 all at the same time is really funny. I wonder what kind of reporters they have in Malaysia. You mean they can't even understand English written by either western reporters or Singaporean reporters? Can't they simply copy word for word?
BTW, they also missed a couple of platforms as such the Navy's Helo, and a new SAM to replace the Rapier. -
n the replacement of s211
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Thailand is reported looking at acquiring E-2Cs, and this has been going on for years, except, RTAF never quite got sufficient fund to make the purchase. I sometimes wonder why do they have to have that "white elephant" carrier. I would have gone for an AEW platform first before buying a carrier.Originally posted by eurofighter:Mistakes:
Thailand: 7)RTAF does not operate any KC 135R or any mid-air
refuelling aircraft.
8 )RTAF does not operate any AEW&C
aircraft so what's there about the E-2C?
On the topic of AEW, RSAF may replace the E-2C in the future. Why not just sell ours to them and RSAF can get the new Wedgetails hee hee