Apache down
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Which brings me back to the original question as to why the Iraqis didn't just mow down all of the PoWs?Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Iraqi has nothing to lose, after all if it loses the war, they would be proscuted for war crimes anyway.... if they win, US can't do anything... why u think they dun mind using human shields and such?
Just a question, did you see the photos of the dead soldiers? Reports in CNN and other 'mainstream' media made it sound like they were almost all head wounds. I saw the pictures, only 2 of the dead had wounds in the head, and the African-American KIA looked like it was a chunk of shrapnel rather than a bullet that did the damage to his forehead. The remainder had wounds in the chest, stomach and groin area.
Hardly classic execution stle wounds -
another apache downed according to al jazeera
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Dunno leh, these armies seem to have a habit of parading their captures.
But wun be surprised if there are exceutions of P.O.Ws. Why? Becos a lot of saddam's fighters, esp. the irregulars are largely independent of any formal military control and hence will do things more akin to indonesia anti-chinese rioters then soldiers following the conduct of war. They dun give two hoots about public relations, but just to show that they have their enemy beat. And that could be by exceutions or parading them. Once again, they dun read the same rule book.
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The fadayeen is not part of the Iraqi military orbat, they report directly to Uday, Saddam's son. But mindless mob they are not, I would imagine they are as aware of the conduct of unconventional warfare as they are of PR and propaganda. Furthermore, i would imagine that their 'officers' are mindful of the 'image' of the iraqi regime and would not let his charges go medieval on capture POWs.
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In combat very lightly to suffer damage to the head. Which is why they make us wear helmets long before body armour is popular.Originally posted by Viper52:Which brings me back to the original question as to why the Iraqis didn't just mow down all of the PoWs?
Just a question, did you see the photos of the dead soldiers? Reports in CNN and other 'mainstream' media made it sound like they were almost all head wounds. I saw the pictures, only 2 of the dead had wounds in the head, and the African-American KIA looked like it was a chunk of shrapnel rather than a bullet that did the damage to his forehead. The remainder had wounds in the chest, stomach and groin area.
Hardly classic execution stle wounds
Head is also the most exposed part. When under cover, that is the only part the enemy can hit with direct fire weapons. When standing or crouching in a fire trench, it is also the part (facing upwards) of the body most vulnerable to air-burst weapons or near misses from contact fuse shells and mortar bombs.
So one shouldn't give too much hoo haa about many of the KIAs having head wounds.
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Royal Marine from the British Army's 40 Commando wears a bullet-riddled kevlar helmet, which saved his life after it was hit 4 times during a firefight in the assault at Umm Qsar, March 26, 2003.if the shot is 2 cm below,it might have kill him.
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Yehaa... that was close...
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too close
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Some more can smile
Think american k-pots provide more cover to the head... but brit ones look thicker...like watermelons on the head. -
Members of the 2nd Battalion 101st Airborne Aviation Brigade ground crew huddle around an AH-64 Apache Longbow after it crashed during landing at Forward Arming and Refueling Point (FARP) in Southern Iraq (news - web sites).(AFP/Jim Watson)
No pilots is hurt in the crash incident.
2nd Apache longbow crash landing.
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Left side view of the apache longbow,notice the 30mm gun on the floor.
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walau eh , that guy can fly anot????
Hard to imagine a well trained pilot flying a helicopter build to land at unprepare landing strips with shock-absorbing features can crash until like that......... -
Oops troops...
But then again, conditions were pretty hellish down there, not anything a normal chopper should be flying in.
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Hey guys... com'mon they crashed during the sandstorm. The visibility and the wind shear was causing flying and touch down very tricky. RSAF or any top rate pilots wouldn't far much better in that condition. RSAF chopper pilots have history of crashing in the mountainous area when the fog is thick. Same thing in Iraq, the Apache pilots would be able to see clearly where the ground is, plus the strong wind and wind shear would easily topple any helo trying to land vertically. Its just life, mate!!!!Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Oops troops...
But then again, conditions were pretty hellish down there, not anything a normal chopper should be flying in.
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As funny as it may seem, all the current downed attack helos are Longbow Apaches. Maybe they do have stability issues with the mast on top. I haven't read any reports of a downed Super Cobra AH-1Z. Perhaps RSAF should also include a less expensive attack choppers (AH-1Z, Roovialk or A129 Mangusta) into the Orbat.
Furthermore, I think the differential between 2 land forces will be the attack choppers plus good C3I.