eat cold steel........
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All modern warfare nuts here? hoplites and marius's mule anybody?
Austerlistz, waterloo, Canae, Thermopylae, Issus?
Hannibal, Ceasar, subutai, Genghis, Scipio, Phyrrus, Phillip, Epininondas and Napoleon?
Just wondering anybody else interested in military history rather then modern(yawn) warfare.
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sorry not my cup of tea...Originally posted by redrooster79:All modern warfare nuts here? hoplites and marius's mule anybody?
Austerlistz, waterloo, Canae, Thermopylae, Issus?
Hannibal, Ceasar, subutai, Genghis, Scipio, Phyrrus, Phillip, Epininondas and Napoleon?
Just wondering anybody else interested in military history rather then modern(yawn) warfare.
no time for it also... going uni..
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will patton and rommel do?Originally posted by redrooster79:All modern warfare nuts here? hoplites and marius's mule anybody?
Austerlistz, waterloo, Canae, Thermopylae, Issus?
Hannibal, Ceasar, subutai, Genghis, Scipio, Phyrrus, Phillip, Epininondas and Napoleon?
Just wondering anybody else interested in military history rather then modern(yawn) warfare. -
you know what all those names have in common?
they caused so much misery it's almost insane that we remember them.. they should have been thrown into the dumpster of history...Originally posted by redrooster79:All modern warfare nuts here? hoplites and marius's mule anybody?
Austerlistz, waterloo, Canae, Thermopylae, Issus?
Hannibal, Ceasar, subutai, Genghis, Scipio, Phyrrus, Phillip, Epininondas and Napoleon?
Just wondering anybody else interested in military history rather then modern(yawn) warfare. -
the last i checked, this forum is called military nuts, unless the forum had been changed to some hippy liberal antiwar room i think the personalities mentioned above are worth discussing.
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yeah... ancient warfare was much cooler. at least u haf a chance of survival..Originally posted by redrooster79:All modern warfare nuts here? hoplites and marius's mule anybody?
Austerlistz, waterloo, Canae, Thermopylae, Issus?
Hannibal, Ceasar, subutai, Genghis, Scipio, Phyrrus, Phillip, Epininondas and Napoleon?
Just wondering anybody else interested in military history rather then modern(yawn) warfare. -
they caused so much misery it's almost insane that we remember them.. they should have been thrown into the dumpster of history...
Anyway society and its precepts often rise from the ashes of war. the law required for the basic construct of any civilisation requires a believable enforcement through the force of arms.
Lets just take a few examples, napoleon and cromwell institutionalize the republic which had not been seen since the senate of Rome circa 50bc. The ideals of the republic did not exactly take take hold during their lifetimes and napoleon actually acted in contracdiction of the ideal he helped put in place but one must admit such change in "paradigms" often require the flames of war and revolution.
Under Caeser and Trajan, the establishment of Pax Romana was brought to much of the known western world. Under the peace and protection of Pax Romana, trade and science flourished. Under the mongols, that also brought about a similiar peace known as the Pax mongolia that allowed trade between the East and the West(hence the silk route).
Insane it is not to remember these statesmen and generals, much of the world back then and the world we live in now are built upon the display and establishment of power and law they have exercised upon their nation's or their own behalf.
Bear, your bold sweeping statement demands rethinking if not then further substantiation
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Originally posted by redrooster79:
dun mind bear. He's the kind of nutcase that is hiding under his bed in fear of Sars.
Anyway society and its precepts often rise from the ashes of war. the law required for the basic construct of any civilisation requires a believable enforcement through the force of arms.
Lets just take a few examples, napoleon and cromwell institutionalize the republic which had not been seen since the senate of Rome circa 50bc. The ideals of the republic did not exactly take take hold during their lifetimes and napoleon actually acted in contracdiction of the ideal he helped put in place but one must admit such change in "paradigms" often require the flames of war and revolution.
Under Caeser and Trajan, the establishment of Pax Romana was brought to much of the known western world. Under the peace and protection of Pax Romana, trade and science flourished. Under the mongols, that also brought about a similiar peace known as the Pax mongolia that allowed trade between the East and the West(hence the silk route).
Insane it is not to remember these statesmen and generals, much of the world back then and the world we live in now are built upon the display and establishment of power and law they have exercised upon their nation's or their own behalf.
[b]Bear, your bold sweeping statement demands rethinking if not then further substantiation
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True.. Napolean was pretty handy to have around as a general... but what the heck made him go into Russia to have his army killed by the weather?Originally posted by redrooster79:the last i checked, this forum is called military nuts, unless the forum had been changed to some hippy liberal antiwar room i think the personalities mentioned above are worth discussing.
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i dunno? ask the germans. they did the same thing.Originally posted by the Bear:True.. Napolean was pretty handy to have around as a general... but what the heck made him go into Russia to have his army killed by the weather? -
Yes, for a balance discussion, both achievements and failures must be brought the bear(no pun intended). Russia was a nightmare for him and the germans(but not the mongols). But bear in mind at that time he had already cowed the rest of europe and had beaten the russian on a few occasions even when he was out numbered. His Army Grandee was the finest in the known whole and his tactics had no equal except for the russian winter.Originally posted by the Bear:True.. Napolean was pretty handy to have around as a general... but what the heck made him go into Russia to have his army killed by the weather? -
nice site.Originally posted by CenturionMBT:
here is another one discussing in detail his tactics
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perhaps over ambitions led to his downfallOriginally posted by the Bear:True.. Napolean was pretty handy to have around as a general... but what the heck made him go into Russia to have his army killed by the weather? -
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Abit bored of "how far this missle will go" or "what did our neighbours buy, we should get some too"
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Well about the Mongols they had trouble with the Russian winter thats why the bypass the northern Russian principalities and only went for Novogrod,Moscovy and Kiev i believe.Also they Russian could have won the day had they fought together as an army and not 3 smaller weaker armies.The reason Napolean went into Russia IIRC was simply to cow the King of Russia to his demands.Originally posted by redrooster79:Yes, for a balance discussion, both achievements and failures must be brought the bear(no pun intended). Russia was a nightmare for him and the germans(but not the mongols). But bear in mind at that time he had already cowed the rest of europe and had beaten the russian on a few occasions even when he was out numbered. His Army Grandee was the finest in the known whole and his tactics had no equal except for the russian winter.
On topic Cold steel well it all seems fine and dandy till it actually goes into your gut..considering some of them are proably rusted and blunted......ouch -
In the 50 years of warfare the Italians produced Da Vinci,Michealangelo and all the other great pieces of art.The Swiss had 500 years of peace and brotherly love and they came up with the KukuclockOriginally posted by the Bear:you know what all those names have in common?
they caused so much misery it's almost insane that we remember them.. they should have been thrown into the dumpster of history...
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this can make an interesting thread but pity not too many of us are that familiar with ancient/medieval warfare. u should perhaps try the forums of Civilisation 3. u find ppl all over the world discussing tactics, history and politics. amazing.....
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But also keeping in mind the fact that the army that swept through the principalities and defeated a Hungarian and Wallachian Army(Teutonic Order was involved too i think) was just a diversionary force.Originally posted by |-|05|:Well about the Mongols they had trouble with the Russian winter thats why the bypass the northern Russian principalities and only went for Novogrod,Moscovy and Kiev i believe.Also they Russian could have won the day had they fought together as an army and not 3 smaller weaker armies.The reason Napolean went into Russia IIRC was simply to cow the King of Russia to his demands.
On topic Cold steel well it all seems fine and dandy till it actually goes into your gut..considering some of them are proably rusted and blunted......ouch
I think this topic was not aptly named. It was not to discuss the merits of dying my a sword or by a bomb blast but rather to discuss military history -
hahaha!Originally posted by |-|05|:In the 50 years of warfare the Italians produced Da Vinci,Michealangelo and all the other great pieces of art.The Swiss had 500 years of peace and brotherly love and they came up with the Kukuclock
The swiss themselves were not slackers at war too. Their pikemen ruled supreme in europe for quite a while hiring themselves out to the highest bidders. They were simply armoured men holding pikes in close order charging the enemy. Perhaps a little like the german Landsknelts. Some might draw the similarities between the swiss pike and the macedonian phalanx but the phalanx was not so much of an offensive force as the swiss pike -
Anybody know of any good sites with description of ancient chinese warfare(no not RTK). With description of battles and arnament.
All i can find is who much Han Dynasty officers got paid. -
well it they sure didnt do it for peace but war....Originally posted by redrooster79:hahaha!
The swiss themselves were not slackers at war too. Their pikemen ruled supreme in europe for quite a while hiring themselves out to the highest bidders. They were simply armoured men holding pikes in close order charging the enemy. Perhaps a little like the german Landsknelts. Some might draw the similarities between the swiss pike and the macedonian phalanx but the phalanx was not so much of an offensive force as the swiss pike
basically through warfare we will advance while through peace we stagnate
As for Chinese history it really is very hard to find due to the chinese insistance on rewriting history over and over and over again.And they say we should be proud of chinese history bah!!!But also keeping in mind the fact that the army that swept through the principalities and defeated a Hungarian and Wallachian Army(Teutonic Order was involved too i think) was just a diversionary force.
Ahh yes this well i admit Subotai did a bloody good job.But that was after Russia i believe?And it was both the Teutonic order and the Templars that were there.I believe something like 8 knights a piece?
I had a very very long Mongols in Europe arguement.It was about if the mongols got into Europe and did not have to turn back would they have won?The debate was all yes until 1 guy came in and came up with a very very interesting view point that had everyone agreeing the Mongols would be hard pressed to win ill dig that up for ya -
a little like the german Landsknelts
oh and the Landskects were hired to defeat the Swiss as their massive 6th swords where used to cut the Swiss pikeheads.But the Landskects were very unreliable.There was even cases when 2 groups of Landskects on opposite sides decided to take the money they were paid and fake a fight by simply clashing swords and making war sounds before retiring.....not sure i want those guys on my team
http://www.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=10&tn=4756&f=10,4756,0,0&st=20
this is the URL where the post was made the guy who made it is called Lord of Hosts enjoy -
EArgerly awaiting. Most argument i have heard against the mongols winning if they continued were based on terrain considerations. Stuff like forest and alps and militia militancy.
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it's there liao go read it