Armoured Infantry Fighting Vechicles of ASEAN nations
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guys, wat are the various AIFVs of our neighours?
malaysia ACV300 Andan;
thailand m113?
indonesia m113?
brunei m113? -
Here goes:
Australia: ASLAV, M113
Brunei: VAB, AT-104
Cambodia: BTR-60/-152, M113
Indonesia: AMX-VCI, Stormer
Laos: BTR-60/-152
Malaysia: Stormer, KIFV, Adnan, more types than I can count
Phillipines: YPR-765PRI, Adnan, M113
Singapore: AMX-10P, Bionix, M113
Thailand: M-113
Vietnam: BMP-1, M113!? -
wont that be bad for the Malaysian armed forces in both training and logistics? unless alot of parts are common and the drivers are all cross trained?Originally posted by Typhoon:Here goes:
Australia: ASLAV, M113
Brunei: VAB, AT-104
Cambodia: BTR-60/-152, M113
Indonesia: AMX-VCI, Stormer
Laos: BTR-60/-152
Malaysia: Stormer, KIFV, Adnan, more types than I can count
Phillipines: YPR-765PRI, Adnan, M113
Singapore: AMX-10P, Bionix, M113
Thailand: M-113
Vietnam: BMP-1, M113!? -
Nothing to be concerned about. Their loss, our advantage
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Source - Military Technology, World Defence Almanac, Jan. 2003.
APCs/IFVs only, for ASEAN countries.
Brunei - 39 VABs, 24 AT-105s, 2 Sultans
Cambodia - BMP-1s, OT-64s, BTR-60s, BRDM-2s
Indonesia - Marines - 32 BVP-2, 19 AMX-10P, 40 AMX-10 PAC 90s. Army - 200 AMX VCI, 50 AMX 10Ps, 20 Stomers, 60 Saracens, 58 V150s, 130 BTR-40s.
Laos - M113s, 30 BTR-40/60, 40 BTR 152s.
Malaysia - 111 KIFV, 190 V100/150s, 460 Condors, 45 Stomers, 211 ACV-300s.
Myanmar - Type 90.
Philippines - Marines - 12 LVTs, 19 V150s, 12 V300s. Army - 80 M113s, 80 V-150s, 40 AIFV, 150 Simbas.
Singapore - 100+ Bionix (increasing), 24 AMX 10P, 22 AMX 10 RC(?), 200 V200s, 350 M-113 ultras, 150 M113s (being withdrawn), 250 V150s.
Thailand - Marines - 40 LVTP7s. Army - 340 M113s, 150 V150s, 1,400 Type 85.
Vietnam - 1,500 BTR 40/50/60/152, Type 56, some M113s and V100s.
My personel notes for Singapore - Seems that foreign magazines now have some difficulties finding the correct numbers for locally produced military hardware (Bionix). There were more than 700 M113s, published by the same magazine 2 years back. The AMX 10 RC should be read as AMX 10 PAC. -
When the US left Vietnam, they left behind over 2000 pieces of M113 of A1 and A2 series.
Most of the Cadillac wheeled armor is of the V100 variety, as the V200 is only used by the SAF. -
looks like we have a pretty mean mech force...
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wat exactly are the Condors and Stomers that malaysia have?
which countries manufacture them. they're specs??? -
The Condors are 4 wheeled APCs used by infantry units. Very similar in class to the V150/200 series, made in Germany. Malaysia used them in Somalia, 4 were lost to RPGs. Tech details -Originally posted by foga:wat exactly are the Condors and Stomers that malaysia have?
which countries manufacture them. they're specs???
http://www.nasog.net/datasheets/armour/4/Tyssen_Condor_APC.htm
The Stormers are tracked APCs, made in the UK. Tech details -
http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/supplement/lav/lav_stormer.shtml -
thanks brudder!
got some pics of AIFV in the region but how to upload to here?[/img] -
Condor APCs were ehavily criticized by military analysis for being a overglorified garbage truck and being crewed by incopetent malaysian drivers...
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upload to a website like geocities den you post it hereOriginally posted by foga:thanks brudder!
got some pics of AIFV in the region but how to upload to here?[/img] -
if i'm not wrong, Condors were the APCs M'sia's UN element used to rescue the US Rangers in Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down)
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Yeah... that's what the Rangers complained about...
Madhatter made some noise -
you're right. The book/film Black Hawk Down was focussing more on Task Force (TF) Ranger.....the failed operation to capture Aideed.Originally posted by jammed:if i'm not wrong, Condors were the APCs M'sia's UN element used to rescue the US Rangers in Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down)
The rescue operation that followed was called TF David, which consisted of the rangers, 10 Mountain Div, Malaysian Condor APC and some Pakistani tanks. This was an adhoc rescue force that did their job in the dark, in FIBUA environment and as you expect some coordination problems due to diff training, language problem etc. Inspite of that TF David was successful but little was mentioned about the operation coz the book was emphasing on TF Ranger.
About 4 Condors were destroyed in the operation. But then so were T80U tanks in Grozny. That is the price to pay in FIBUA operation. And the US troops will also be experiencing this soon in Baghdad.
Read more here about TF David.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ambush/interviews/montgomery.html
http://www.ranger.org/usara/s3/Ops/history/somalia.htm -
What on earth was Malaysia doing in Mog anyway?
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UN Peacekeeper? No lah actually they go there extra only....
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They went under UN. When the UN recieved news that US troops surrounded, they told the Malaysian troops to go help.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:What on earth was Malaysia doing in Mog anyway?
one of the malaysian troops died -
I would like to propose how SAF could further upgrade our AIFVs to make them one of the best, if not the best, AIFV fleet.
I believe SAF can further improve the M113 40/50 with this upgrade V-150 turret ...
http://www.floro-intl.com/aglupg.htm
This turret is better than the 40/50 cupola used as it provide better protection for the gunner. ST could also perhaps marry its AGL into the Textron 40/50 turret
I also think that some M113 can also be upgraded with the GDLS Delco Armoured Mortar System
(http://www.delcosystems.com/DS-v3/120AMS.htm) to replace the current 120mm SP Mortar carrier. Those current M113 SP Mortar carriers should carry the new ST Kinetic's 120mm Super Rapid Advanced Mortar System
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Finally, some M113/Bionix can also be upgraded to carry the Rafael Spike-ER Weapon station
for anti-armour specialist role.
Finally, I also think that all Bionix 25mm turret should also carry a pair of Spike-ER that can be fire from within the turret. The
sight with be mounted on the roof adjacent to the current Thermal sight, and the fire-control system uses the Rafael Remote control unit for the Spike missile system
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As the Bionix replaces the M113 in our armour units - what will happen to these M113s?
Donated, sold off? Used as weapons platforms or basic APC for selected infantry units?
Likely replacement for the V200s should be the Terrex Av81.
Malaysia, should be replacing their 4x4 APCs with 6x6 or 8x8 ones. Maybe from Finland.
In the same magazine (Military Techology), Indonesia is reported to be looking for used AMX13 tanks as well. -
The Phillipines uses such a turret on their V150s with ST's 40mm AGL.Originally posted by Joe Black:I would like to propose how SAF could further upgrade our AIFVs to make them one of the best, if not the best, AIFV fleet.
I believe SAF can further improve the M113 40/50 with this upgrade V-150 turret ... -
ya i saw it before...Originally posted by bcoy:The Phillipines uses such a turret on their V150s with ST's 40mm AGL.
they like to use the term 1m turret. -
I believe the M113s and the Ultras still have useful life in them, may not neccessary be as troop carriers. Their weapons systems could be upgraded and new roles for these machine to play.Originally posted by bcoy:As the Bionix replaces the M113 in our armour units - what will happen to these M113s?
Donated, sold off? Used as weapons platforms or basic APC for selected infantry units?
Likely replacement for the V200s should be the Terrex Av81.
Example:
Air Defense - replacing 0.5HMG/40/50 with Vulcan 20mm or other SAM
Tank Killers - with ATGM
These could form a support for the current Armour Formation -
Well Bionix is designated IFV where M113 Ultra is designated APC, different use lay. M113 still has lots of useful live left and lots of countries still use it to date. Even the current iraqi war the yakees still deploy a lot of M113 APC.Originally posted by bcoy:As the Bionix replaces the M113 in our armour units - what will happen to these M113s?
Donated, sold off? Used as weapons platforms or basic APC for selected infantry units?
Likely replacement for the V200s should be the Terrex Av81.
Malaysia, should be replacing their 4x4 APCs with 6x6 or 8x8 ones. Maybe from Finland.
In the same magazine (Military Techology), Indonesia is reported to be looking for used AMX13 tanks as well.
SG got hold nearly 1200 odd 2nd hand M113A1/A2 hulls minus off the 400 odd ultra (aka A3) upgrade for the 3,6,9 division, maybe 200 in 1,2PDF and we still got 600 of these stuff as cold storage/spare parts/1-1replacements hor.
BTW, I believe the rumoured 32 heavy armoured division, modelled after the US armoured infantry division (those U see in iraqi war) will have a force of:-
60~100 MBTs, 60~100 Bionix IFX, 100~150 M113 Ultra APC, 20~30 M109A6 SP and supported vehicles.
As for the current 3,6,9 division (designated mechanised light infantry division), each has it's own organic armour brigade elements consisting of mixture of SM1, Bionix IFV, M113 Ultras. -
369 Division wahahhahahah
Parang raiders wahhaha