Combat experiences of our immediate neighbours.
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i dont understand you people...
its good in my view that the malaysians have faith in their RMAF or MAF or watever bucket organization they call security force...
afterall.... as long as they have baboons as their leaders... it will make our attack easier if the day comes....
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One of the very expensive MIG 29s crashed in 1998, the week that ex-deputy premier Anwar Ibrahim was arrested. The news was soon forgotten in the excitement of Anwar's detention.
it does not say that the crash was due to pilot error.
Presumably the Defence Ministry takes the same view as our current education minister that 'human errors are inevitable. Everyone makes mistakes".
And gallantly excuses the pilots and congratulates them on successfully bailing out of their $100 million aircraft.
it just said the pilot bail/ejected from the mig-29
this sentence:'human errors are inevitable"
does not refer to the cause of the crash.
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Guess I got in too late......
Ok guys....I'm closing this thread for obvious reasons. All I'm asking is if there's a potiential flaming coming in, try to put it out and DON'T add more FIRE to it.
I notice some of the forumites reply for the sake of the argument....... sigh...... come on guys ain't you sick of it?
If you think locking this thread is unfair, pls PM and let me know.
Note to Mods: Do not delete
UPDATED:
Ok, after much thoughts and after reading some of PMs, I trust that this thread will not go haywire.
Just hope that you guys have more open minds, continue to give more mature views and try to tone down on things okay....so no more flames pls....
truce guys.
So I guess it's "BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND"!!!
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Then why is it stated at all? That context obviously points to a human error. Maybe you cannot understand the fine articulation of political messages.Originally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:does not refer to the cause of the crash. -
The official findings already said that the crash was due to technical problems not pilot error.Originally posted by EXCO:Then why is it stated at all? That context obviously points to a human error. Maybe you cannot understand the fine articulation of political messages.
Even though it is on that website, it doesnt mean it true.
That website isnt even military related....many non-military websties make stupid errors.
I already stated HOW the plane crashed..so u dont have to keep on saying all this....
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And gallantly excuses the pilots and congratulates them on successfully bailing out of their $100 million aircraft.
That gives the impression of pilot error though it might simply be a misuse of the language.As for you naming the cause pls provide a source for it or i will treat it like you treat my view.Even a book or a news paper article with the date would be nice...ill go to the library and take a look....so if you do not mind could you? -
Official?
For a while, the official result of the Vietnam war was that the US won.
In Cuba, the official findings is that the US were beaten off in the Missile Crisis.
Officially, Anwar buggered that old man.
Which of these official results did you believe?
Take everything with a pinch of salt...Originally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:
The [b]official findings already said that the crash was due to technical problems not pilot error.
Even though it is on that website, it doesnt mean it true.
That website isnt even military related....many non-military websties make stupid errors.
I already stated HOW the plane crashed..so u dont have to keep on saying all this....
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bailing out just means ejecting...whether or not is pilot error..the pilot still have to eject.Originally posted by |-|05|:That gives the impression of pilot error though it might simply be a misuse of the language.As for you naming the cause pls provide a source for it or i will treat it like you treat my view.Even a book or a news paper article with the date would be nice...ill go to the library and take a look....so if you do not mind could you?
i got my source from a guy woking at kuantan AFB....not classified.
and no, it is not on the web or a book....who would want to write a book just to tell about the crash?
the bottom line is:
I know what happened....you dont.....you look at website and dunno how to read.
cmmon...the OFFICIAL OFFICIAL OFFICIAL OFFICIAL (got it?)
cause is tech prob.
from now on im not gonna discuss this issue bcoz u dont even know what happened...and u want to just refer to a website and the website doent have to be credible.
im not gonna waste my time debating with you.
i dont want to talk with u about this bcoz u just want to counter everything i say.
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The Russians won the cuban missile crisis.....they got the US to remove they're nukes from Turkey which was their intent anyway.Originally posted by the Bear:Official?
For a while, the official result of the Vietnam war was that the US won.
In Cuba, the official findings is that the US were beaten off in the Missile Crisis.
Officially, Anwar buggered that old man.
Which of these official results did you believe?
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Here, it's the Cubans' official view of it... even the ordinary Cubans don't believe it themselves...
The position is that the US were beaten off.. and since the US were beaten off, Cuba did not need to have those missiles..Originally posted by |-|05|:The Russians won the cuban missile crisis.....they got the US to remove they're nukes from Turkey which was their intent anyway. -
lol interestingOriginally posted by the Bear:Here, it's the Cubans' official view of it... even the ordinary Cubans don't believe it themselves...
The position is that the US were beaten off.. and since the US were beaten off, Cuba did not need to have those missiles..
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Alamak Innocent Malaysia, you avoid the main issue, let me highlight it for you to enable your antriphoied brain to comprehend.
THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE CAUSE OR REASON BEHIND THE CRASH, THE MAF SCREWED UP IN THIS CASE AND IS LOUSLY.
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and I must say that incident was funny.
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Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
The RSAF screwed up even more....
Alamak Innocent Malaysia, you avoid the main issue, let me highlight it for you to enable your antriphoied brain to comprehend.
[b]THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE CAUSE OR REASON BEHIND THE CRASH, THE MAF SCREWED UP IN THIS CASE AND IS LOUSLY.
And that's the bottomline. The rest is nitpicking.[/b]
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Tyrannosaur.. don't say the RMAF is lousy.. everyone screws up... especially the military.
Someone once wrote that the dregs of humanity usually end up in the military..
And you must remember.. not only does cream rise to the top, anyone with cooking experience will tell you that scum rises too...
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everyone... everyone...
if stupidity was always fatal, humanity would have been extinct long ago...
however, i find covering up at high levels the greatest acts of stupidity ever... wherever they occur.. from Ollie North, to Anwar, from Yasser Arafat to Lau Lee's SonOriginally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:
The RSAF screwed up even more....
who would be so stupid to crash F-16s [b]into F-16s?
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Originally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:
Changing the topic again and pointing fingers.
The RSAF screwed up even more....
who would be so stupid to crash F-16s [b]into F-16s?
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Hey you are still missing the point dude, the RASF and basically singaporeans admit when they screw up and find ways to improve.
The point here is when MAF or malaysia screw up, as you have proven here, they never take the blame and blame it on everything else. So they screw up and keep screwing up.
To say the RSAF screw up even more is not accucrate, do you need me to post the list of Malaysia armed forces screw ups and then compare them to the list of SAF screw ups?
Note the diff here is that the SAF learns and improves, the Malaysian army does not!
Dude, you are only proving my points!
The MAF is lously and screws up and keeps screwing up, and their people will keep dying as long as they dun reconize that they are their own worst enemy. -
Now innocent malaysian, don't be evasive, shifty-eyes and finger pointing immature be a MAN AND ANSWER ME DIRECTLY:
DID OR DID NOT THE MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE SCREW UP WHEN THEY CRASH THEIR MIG?
IS THE PT-91 NOWHERE NEAR THE MOST ADVANCED TANKS IN THE WORLD YOUR GOVT. CLAIM IT TO BE
ARE THE "HEROIC" EXPLOITS OF MALAYSIAN SOLDIERS IN MOG NOTHING MORE THEN PROPANGADA, THAT IN ACTUAL FACT IT WAS A REAL BIG MALAYSIAN SCREW UP OF BATTLEFIELD UNPROFESSIONALISM BY COWERING IN APCS AND NOT SHOOTING BACK AT THE ENEMY, AND THEN LEAVING SOME RANGERS TO RUN BACK ON FOOT WHILE THEY FRESH TROOPS SAT IN THE APC?
ANSWER SIMPLE YES OR NO AND DON'T PUT UP ANYMORE LAME REASONS TO JUSTIFY THEM. NOW IS THE TIME TO FACE THE FACTS.
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Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
The PT-91 is old......even he has to know it! And come on lah relax abit brudder
Now innocent malaysian, don't be evasive, shifty-eyes and finger pointing immature be a [b]MAN AND ANSWER ME DIRECTLY:
DID OR DID NOT THE MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE SCREW UP WHEN THEY CRASH THEIR MIG?
IS THE PT-91 NOWHERE NEAR THE MOST ADVANCED TANKS IN THE WORLD YOUR GOVT. CLAIM IT TO BE
ARE THE "HEROIC" EXPLOITS OF MALAYSIAN SOLDIERS IN MOG NOTHING MORE THEN PROPANGADA, THAT IN ACTUAL FACT IT WAS A REAL BIG MALAYSIAN SCREW UP OF BATTLEFIELD UNPROFESSIONALISM BY COWERING IN APCS AND NOT SHOOTING BACK AT THE ENEMY, AND THEN LEAVING SOME RANGERS TO RUN BACK ON FOOT WHILE THEY FRESH TROOPS SAT IN THE APC?
ANSWER SIMPLE YES OR NO AND DON'T PUT UP ANYMORE LAME REASONS TO JUSTIFY THEM. NOW IS THE TIME TO FACE THE FACTS.
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Moderators, take note of this unfounded and unwarranted accusation.Originally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:just to add:
:typhoon" at sgforums has admitted before that he is the fake InnocentMalaysian at the fighter planes forum
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Originally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:
One of them was being piloted by an American.
The RSAF screwed up even more....
who would be so stupid to crash F-16s [b]into F-16s?
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Still, our attrition rate is much lower than yours. RMAF Hawk crashes are a forthnightly affair. -
I wonder if we can pass some resolution to moderate out people like innocent malaysian whenever they come and annoy the people here with stubborn illogicity, this kind of people are not fit to debate here, which is a place for people making some sense, not some wholesale attempt to sell the MAF to us and getting angry when we are not one bit impressed because we see right through the lies.
Send him back to the hole he crawled from, this is a place for singaporean style transparency and adherence to facts and truth, not malaysian style everything boleh, mess up in mog also say hero, pls lah, nobody is buying that lor... -
Oh and 1 more thing it's not their hawks that always crash lah everything also crash 1......while searching for the MiG-29 crash i found a trainer had crashed earlier this year and a chopper late last year
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Relax lah......he is jus trying his best to make us convince on his thinking , everyone is doing same here. Maybe he jus stray out of topic..... Hmm , life in forum isnt fun when there is no opposition to the threads , maybe with all the oppositions , we can train our live skills on influencing pple here...
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THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE CAUSE OR REASON BEHIND THE CRASH, THE MAF SCREWED UP IN THIS CASE AND IS LOUSLY.
Note the diff here is that the SAF learns and improves, the Malaysian army does not!
Dude, you are only proving my points!
The MAF is lously and screws up and keeps screwing up, and their people will keep dying as long as they dun reconize that they are their own worst enemy.Now innocent malaysian, don't be evasive, shifty-eyes and finger pointing immature be a MAN AND ANSWER ME DIRECTLY:
Gentlement, such flamings are uncalled for.I believed he didn't intentionally want to start a flame war nor did he start a flame war.I don't see any degrading remarks from him etc
DID OR DID NOT THE MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE SCREW UP WHEN THEY CRASH THEIR MIG?
IS THE PT-91 NOWHERE NEAR THE MOST ADVANCED TANKS IN THE WORLD YOUR GOVT. CLAIM IT TO BE
ARE THE "HEROIC" EXPLOITS OF MALAYSIAN SOLDIERS IN MOG NOTHING MORE THEN PROPANGADA, THAT IN ACTUAL FACT IT WAS A REAL BIG MALAYSIAN SCREW UP OF BATTLEFIELD UNPROFESSIONALISM BY COWERING IN APCS AND NOT SHOOTING BACK AT THE ENEMY, AND THEN LEAVING SOME RANGERS TO RUN BACK ON FOOT WHILE THEY FRESH TROOPS SAT IN THE APC?
ANSWER SIMPLE YES OR NO AND DON'T PUT UP ANYMORE LAME REASONS TO JUSTIFY THEM. NOW IS THE TIME TO FACE THE FACTS.
IF YOU DUN RESPOND, IT'S TAKEN THAT IT'S A YES TO ALL THESE.
At the same time innocent_malaysian, try not to be overzealeous in your answers.
Thank you.