Taiwan NS= 4 months only
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ok folks....go get a secret mission..egt salute from general and then come back n talk if ns should be scrapped n a regular force be used for whole battle.
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Originally posted by Hitman Factory 1:
ok folks....go get a secret mission..egt salute from general and then come back n talk if ns should be scrapped n a regular force be used for whole battle.
you are the one who couldn't pass IPPT and ran to australia? hahaha...on a secret mission.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
you are the one who couldn't pass IPPT and ran to australia? hahaha...on a secret mission.
oohh,,,thats when i went as reservist...most had problems with ippt because they had to support the economy mah!!!!all the brain power n concentration needed to do software programs and home the robots......like u folks can do it blind folded . -
1 Star General: "Hitman Factory 1, your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to destroy the effectiveness of Singapore's defences by recommending that NS be reduced to 4 months, allowing only the most basic of military training. This will allow the SAF to have only footsoldiers whose main experience comes from Counterstrike and Call of Duty, and will start jumping up and down the instant they see an enemy, allowing us to dominate them by sheer numbers and better tactics. If you are discovered, we will disavow all knowledge of your existance, which we do already, so no big loss there. This message should self destruct, but we're on a budget, please eat this after reading. For the glory of Redland! Signed: 1-Star General hoping to get 2-Star." PS: PT kit, underwear, my room, 2359hrs.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
1 Star General: “Hitman Factory 1, your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to destroy the effectiveness of Singapore’s defences by recommending that NS be reduced to 4 months, allowing only the most basic of military training. This will allow the SAF to have only footsoldiers whose main experience comes from Counterstrike and Call of Duty, and will start jumping up and down the instant they see an enemy, allowing us to dominate them by sheer numbers and better tactics.
If you are discovered, we will disavow all knowledge of your existance, which we do already, so no big loss there. This message should self destruct, but we’re on a budget, please eat this after reading.
For the glory of Redland!
Signed: 1-Star General hoping to get 2-Star.”
PS: PT kit, underwear, my room, 2359hrs.
there is great wisdom in having conscripts do a lesser term ns of 4 moinths.its to teach them and recall them back in case of emergencies.the extra $$$$ saved on not training NS would be needed to buy drones like those used by the usa or to build one.
why train kids who would forget which direction to fire in a room clearance drillwhen u could channel the $$$$$ to regulars or gurkhas instead.
and i would prefer u act like an adult instead of a jealous kid with a tantrum for not being selected for any great missions or mission even.
its common sense...would u want to placea bet on a team of footballers with less than 2 years of training and matches or bet on a team of footballers who have 10 years of the people with more training and experrience.all this are under serious conditions with no goofing off on both sides.
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Hitman, your "basic" training may have been 4 months for cheap cannon fodder like you, mine was almost a year before I was considered "active NSman". And I call bullshit on your "great mission". The only thing of note that could even be considered "great" is the Boxing Day Tsunami relief efforts, which, if you took part in, STILL does not give you tactical understanding or training. And besides, it's probably a "group salute", not to you personally. Doubt the general even knows you exist. You complain of the survivability of our troops, then recommend cutting training to even below the bare basic. How does that improve survivability? And drones? Drone operator course + BMT is even longer than 4 months, you cut cost to buy drones that no one will have the training to use. Your logic seriously fails.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
Hitman, your “basic” training may have been 4 months for cheap cannon fodder like you, mine was almost a year before I was considered “active NSman”.
And I call bullshit on your “great mission”. The only thing of note that could even be considered “great” is the Boxing Day Tsunami relief efforts, which, if you took part in, STILL does not give you tactical understanding or training. And besides, it’s probably a “group salute”, not to you personally. Doubt the general even knows you exist.
You complain of the survivability of our troops, then recommend cutting training to even below the bare basic. How does that improve survivability? And drones? Drone operator course + BMT is even longer than 4 months, you cut cost to buy drones that no one will have the training to use. Your logic seriously fails.
thats what i have been telling u not very bright folks to get more regulars instead of relying on cheaper forms of soldiers.if u consider troops of 4months as cannon fodder then perhaps ns troops with 2 years would be considered as cannon fodder as compared to regular professionals with 10 years "training"so if u are an ns and there are folks who think like u...then all the ns conscripts are classified as cannon fodder and expendables.thats your logic to the world that we dont need.
relief efforts????u need a miitary to do relief efforts?then u should be in a red cross mission insteD OF A MILITary mission.your verion of a military and its associated missions is only limited to a nurse looking after the sick.
u need to survive???train harder and in real battle conditions!dont come here with your miserable mistake of conscription .u may be cheap....u may not be military....u may not even have thought of the military as a career. in conclusion u shouldnt be preaching about real soldiers or your part time ns soldiers in here.its your logic thats in question.
drones are very expensive equipment.they dont need ns for it.why should they get part time soldiers to fly them???in that case they might as well get ns conscription pilots to fly F-14 jet fighters or get ns conscripts to become admirals and generals too!from your point of logic,u expect too much from a mere 2 years of ns.in which case one should sign on as a regular...if u know theres too much at stake and cant do it in 2 years then go for a regular service.2 years isnt enough to earn confidence in most military units.,,,so i guess cannon fodder confidence should be around there.u really are cannon fodder from looks of it.
but perhaps you arent smart enough to figure out stuff on your own.lemme show u what u gave to your world:
Under the Ming dynasty, being a soldier was an inherited condition. This meant that the Ming army was recruited from a professional warrior class, however, quite unlike indo-european societies where the warrior class typically held high status (and often political power), the Ming-era Chinese considered their soldiers to be scum. This had a strong negative impact on the motivation and morale of their troops. The system's main advantage was that it allowed easy replacement of casualties--if a soldier was killed, his family had to furnish a replacement or lose their livelyhood and end up as beggars...
The Ming infantry was organised into "companies" of 112 men each. These units, like European lances, were essentially admnistrative units containing proportions of different specialist troops which would logically be grouped together on the battlefield. About 40% of the ming footsoldiers (in theory, of course) were spearmen/pikemen, forming the main battle-line and holding off the attacks of the enemy, especially the cavalry of the steppe nomads. About as many soldiers would be armed with some kind of ranged weapon--bow, crossbow, or fire-arm of some kind (however, after the Yongle emperor, firearms were deployed by seperate 'firearms battalions'), so the Ming armies could put out a considerable volume of fire (quite necessary when facing horse-archer-based foes, might I add). The remainder were sword-and-shield troops, ostensibly to attack and defeat enemy infantry. The foot-soldiers were armoured with various combinations of chain, brigandine, and lamellar.
One feature that has to be noted about the Ming military was its centralisation, often excessive given the limitations of the time. The Ming government often re-equiped and re-trained entire armies for a specific campaign (see for instance Yongle's intensive preparations for his invasion of Dai Viet); however, Ming troops often lacked part (or even all) of their regular default equipment. The hereditary military system also made it impossible to adjust the military's size to the empire's current needs rapidly (in theory, the number of soldiers ought always to be the same) so that during times of relative peace large segments of the army were employed in a non-military capacity--noteably to transport grain to Beijing after Yongle moved his capital back there. This was expedient and economical, but ruined the fighting ability of the units concerned and eventually that of the entire army.
The Ming employed a vast number of weird and wondrous firearms and siege weapons. Perhaps the most important fire-arm was the fire lance--essentially a spear packed in a disposable launch tube and fired from the shoulder, like a modern anti-tank weapon. It filled broadly the same role as the latter, being able to penetrate just about any armour, and, according to the claims of some contemporary Chinese sources, several soldiers in one go (take this with a barrow-load of salt, however). Fire arrows (rocket-propelled arrows), various types of gonnes (including repeating ones), hand grenades, large rocket-missiles and a miscelleany of light and very light cannons were also common. Grapeshot was known and often fired from light, tripod-mounted guns that could be carried around by a two-man team. It should be noted that the Ming usually made use of iron bullets. Compared to lead projectiles, this made for smaller holes in people but superior armour-piercing abilities. In addition to killing people, the firearms were also extremely scary, especially for the Sout-East Asian elephants that had long been the bane of Chinese armies. -
to cut it short.conscription was made only in times of war and can be done effectively in matter of months.anything more than 4 months or more than a years training and feeding them without sending them out to battle is waste of time.
best way for complex systems in todays world from autonomous dones to even flying a F14 for fun should be left to professional soldiers with above 5 year contracts and more.
ns conscripts with 2 years ns would be doing admin work or guard duties and laying barb wires and other lil things......what do u expect 2 years conscripts to do??go into nicaragua with a hand held minigun n firing it at space aliens???:)
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
And I call bullshit on your “great mission”. The only thing of note that could even be considered “great” is the Boxing Day Tsunami relief efforts, which, if you took part in, STILL does not give you tactical understanding or training. And besides, it’s probably a “group salute”, not to you personally. Doubt the general even knows you exist.
i said secret military mission if u read it properly ...not some newspaper cutting for some humanitarian red cross purpose.well it appears your mission is limited only to humanitarian missions and what u read in newspapers and not the much acclaimed super secret military mission that most real warriors and real soldiers are given.if u have mindef clearance on your 2 years or so ns conscription,u could read the highly classified files.dont need to ask me and make odd conclusions that never were.
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You're still pretty swakoo. Our LSTs were deployed on relief efforts during that disaster. I'm not talking about future theory deployment or paper strategy, I'm talking about something that already happened, you got a problem with it, go talk to the Rear Admiral and tell him that it was supposed to be the Red Cross's job. And with all your trash talk about "secret missions" you never even told us which branch were you from. You tell me the branch, I can even make an approximate guess as the which "exercise" you took part in. As for the soldier caste, Singapore did try that out, during the time of child soldiers. It was an untalked about cousin to the SDU project, military instead of for graduates. It was.. fairly fail. Most of the children went to other fields, though some did take up military jobs, but the majority went elsewhere. This is the same problem with your "regulars". There isn't enough of them to stand-off the whole Indo or Malaysian army, no matter how "experienced" or "regular" or even "decaffinated", it still takes just one shot to kill, and numbers means you get a lot of chances for the shot. Conscripts, on the other hand HAVE the numbers, and with the interior position and home ground advantage, can be a deterence or even make taking Singaporean ground extremely costly. Maybe it's not me expecting to much from a conscript, maybe it's you expecting too little. "dont come here with your miserable mistake of conscription .u may be cheap....u may not be military....u may not even have thought of the military as a career. in conclusion u shouldnt be preaching about real soldiers or your part time ns soldiers in here.its your logic thats in question." You a regular? If not, in conclusion... "u shouldnt be preaching about real soldiers or your part time ns soldiers in here.its your logic thats in question". Damn, any worse punctuation and spelling, and I'd expect you to start drooling. Long story short, YOU FAIL!! You're just here to whine about how you were "cheated" of 2 years by Singapore. Don't like it, immigrate. If Australia would want you, which I have doubts. Maybe you can get refugee status? You obviously fled from logic.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
You’re still pretty swakoo. Our LSTs were deployed on relief efforts during that disaster. I’m not talking about future theory deployment or paper strategy, I’m talking about something that already happened, you got a problem with it, go talk to the Rear Admiral and tell him that it was supposed to be the Red Cross’s job.
And with all your trash talk about “secret missions” you never even told us which branch were you from. You tell me the branch, I can even make an approximate guess as the which “exercise” you took part in.
As for the soldier caste, Singapore did try that out, during the time of child soldiers. It was an untalked about cousin to the SDU project, military instead of for graduates. It was.. fairly fail. Most of the children went to other fields, though some did take up military jobs, but the majority went elsewhere.
This is the same problem with your “regulars”. There isn’t enough of them to stand-off the whole Indo or Malaysian army, no matter how “experienced” or “regular” or even “decaffinated”, it still takes just one shot to kill, and numbers means you get a lot of chances for the shot. Conscripts, on the other hand HAVE the numbers, and with the interior position and home ground advantage, can be a deterence or even make taking Singaporean ground extremely costly.
Maybe it’s not me expecting to much from a conscript, maybe it’s you expecting too little.
“dont come here with your miserable mistake of conscription .u may be cheap….u may not be military….u may not even have thought of the military as a career. in conclusion u shouldnt be preaching about real soldiers or your part time ns soldiers in here.its your logic thats in question.”
You a regular? If not, in conclusion… “u shouldnt be preaching about real soldiers or your part time ns soldiers in here.its your logic thats in question”.
Damn, any worse punctuation and spelling, and I’d expect you to start drooling.
Long story short, YOU FAIL!! You’re just here to whine about how you were “cheated” of 2 years by Singapore. Don’t like it, immigrate. If Australia would want you, which I have doubts. Maybe you can get refugee status? You obviously fled from logic.
you inability to think properly as seen in message 10 under several LCS in spore is an example of failed NS with characteristics of constant spoon feeding from external sources. -
anyway i didnt read your highly flawed stuff that u placed in writing as above.no time to waste reading your flawed logic.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
You’re still pretty swakoo. Our LSTs were deployed on relief efforts during that disaster. I’m not talking about future theory deployment or paper strategy, I’m talking about something that already happened, you got a problem with it, go talk to the Rear Admiral and tell him that it was supposed to be the Red Cross’s job.
And with all your trash talk about “secret missions” you never even told us which branch were you from. You tell me the branch, I can even make an approximate guess as the which “exercise” you took part in.
As for the soldier caste, Singapore did try that out, during the time of child soldiers. It was an untalked about cousin to the SDU project, military instead of for graduates. It was.. fairly fail. Most of the children went to other fields, though some did take up military jobs, but the majority went elsewhere.
This is the same problem with your “regulars”. There isn’t enough of them to stand-off the whole Indo or Malaysian army, no matter how “experienced” or “regular” or even “decaffinated”, it still takes just one shot to kill, and numbers means you get a lot of chances for the shot. Conscripts, on the other hand HAVE the numbers, and with the interior position and home ground advantage, can be a deterence or even make taking Singaporean ground extremely costly.
Maybe it’s not me expecting to much from a conscript, maybe it’s you expecting too little.
“dont come here with your miserable mistake of conscription .u may be cheap….u may not be military….u may not even have thought of the military as a career. in conclusion u shouldnt be preaching about real soldiers or your part time ns soldiers in here.its your logic thats in question.”
You a regular? If not, in conclusion… “u shouldnt be preaching about real soldiers or your part time ns soldiers in here.its your logic thats in question”.
Damn, any worse punctuation and spelling, and I’d expect you to start drooling.
Long story short, YOU FAIL!! You’re just here to whine about how you were “cheated” of 2 years by Singapore. Don’t like it, immigrate. If Australia would want you, which I have doubts. Maybe you can get refugee status? You obviously fled from logic.
i think i already mentioned most of what u want to anatgonise me in here from previous mesaages above.u dont need to repeat the same old story which i had already told u so.u want me to draw you pictures???i have no idea what u are smoking here from regulars and me not being one to having a refugee status which is not needed ....to your strange and angry desperate attempts to instill a cheap 2 year ns for god knows what reasons....??!!
damn,......so if i wuz a regular and was more of a man in and out of uniform......and a professional electronics and mechanical engineer in american companies.....what u going to do???kill me out of jealousy???
best u can shreik like a bitch in here and get on with your humanitarian red cross missions....thats your only version of military with a panty waisted admiral who couldnt protect his stealth ship when it was having problems in darwin with local authorities a few years ago.
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keep on dreaming u underpaid canon fodder!:)
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4 mths is enough for ns....the enemies fighting u probably have everyone in 4 mths to 2 years training too.
spore minstry of defence would save more $$$$$ as explained 3 messages ago.
with each soldier saved thats a 1 year 8 mth savings IN FOOD,WEAPON,TRAININGS AND UNIFORMS .
TOTAL COST FOR A MEAL WOULD BE $10 A DAY SAVED AT LEAST PER SOLDIER.
TRAININGS WOULD BEAT LEAST $1000 SAVEDOR MORE
UNIFORMS TOO WOULD BE $1000 SAVED
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TOTAL COST SAVED PER NS CONSCRIPT SOLDIER IN A YEAR WOULD BE MEALS: 365DAYS X $10=$3650
TRAININGS PER YEAR = $1000
UNIFORMS PER YEAR = $1000
TOTAL COST PER YEAR FOR A SOLDIER = $3650+$1000 +$1000=$5650
WITH A 4 MONTHS NS CONSCRIPTION WITH YEARLY RESERVIST DUTIES AN ARMY CAN SAVE AROUND $8K PER SOLDIER OR AT LEAST $240,000/YEAR FOR A A PLATOON.
THAT SAVINGS COULD BE USED TO BUY A DRONE OR HAVE CONTRACTS MADE OUT TO SINGAPORE technologies to build even better drones with better software and have the firepower of a platoon.
im not writing this for underpaid to read as obviously he cant reason well to win in anything and keeps on repeating his owned warped version of ns and his "psyeudo mililitary humanitarian " missions that only a nurse would be most suited for.....anyone using an underpaid type of strategy would have died and very often they do! no matter even if they were from descendants of samurais.
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Anybody who hasn't been to front-line units will tell you NS can be shortened.
Those who do will tell you even 2 years is rather short.
It took myself more than a year to become proficient in my vocation and by then I had only a few more months to serve and half of it was spent teaching the newer batches who would go through the same thing.
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@HITMAN...
GOD save your ass....
either you are not even singaporean to begin with.
or you dont serve NS... (girl or jehovah witness)?
why so much fear over singapore NS?
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stop complaning la. Its lucky that you are not in North Korea.
2 years just serve and keep tiam tiam la keep complaining...
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Originally posted by tripwire:
@HITMAN...
GOD save your ass....
either you are not even singaporean to begin with.
or you dont serve NS... (girl or jehovah witness)?
why so much fear over singapore NS?
and why do u need ns to be 2 years??or 2.5 years??doesnt justify it if u are not from israel or south korea and those who are currently still in a state of war and batlles are very real.
reducing ns doesnt mean abolish it!!!!the $$$$ saved on conscripts can be channeled for better military purposes in acquisition of better coventional weapons that u folks at company level would be wiped out completely.
its rather u folks have never seen battles and are contented with an average automatic rifle.
if u went into real battles,u wished that the ones in charge had bought better bullet proof vest or better uav with a minigun attached to it.
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Originally posted by tripwire:
@HITMAN...
GOD save your ass....
either you are not even singaporean to begin with.
or you dont serve NS... (girl or jehovah witness)?
why so much fear over singapore NS?
god saved my ass a few times....im here to save his if i can and if im prepared.
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Thanks for the support guys, he was really getting to me with his trolling. SBS, I totally agree, those who are not frontline units, they don't see that others are being trained harder than they are, and I'm one of those who think that 2 years is too short, you'll only be in your "active" phase for only half a year, how familiar can you get with your job in that short a time? And with all his whining about buying drones, I bet he's never touched one in his entire life. My platoon has a RPV section. Hitman's theory vs my practical. Who would you believe?
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me thinks u folks are unprepared in war with an agrressor with advanced weapons.but theres no agrresors and u have plenty reservists ...so reducing ns duration would be ok as funds could be iused to purchase or build more effective and cost savings weapons..but u folks only need a rifle and a pair of boots....u have no secret weapons and even if u had them it would be pretty much be wasted by folks like undepaid.face it....ya a bunch of gorillas like inn planet of the apes!!!no pint talking abput anything else cuz u are too primtive folks.well,...if onky your muscles were bigger than the ang mos...maybe i would respect u....but u are not!so technology will make up for your lack of capabilities to survive in a HAND TO HAND COMBAT WITH EUROPEANS.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
Thanks for the support guys, he was really getting to me with his trolling.
SBS, I totally agree, those who are not frontline units, they don’t see that others are being trained harder than they are, and I’m one of those who think that 2 years is too short, you’ll only be in your “active” phase for only half a year, how familiar can you get with your job in that short a time?
And with all his whining about buying drones, I bet he’s never touched one in his entire life.
My platoon has a RPV section.
Hitman’s theory vs my practical. Who would you believe?H
HAHAHA,,,U NEED OTHERS TO FIGHT YER BATTLES CUZ YA HAVE NEITHER THE BRAINS OR THE MUSCLES IN ANY BATTLEFIELD!MY THEORY IS REALITY..ALREADY DONE THAT AND MOST COUNTRIES ARE ALREADY DOING THAT.your hallucination of getting conscipts is as good as piting a doctor with 2 years experience to one of 10 years experience in the same field.u cant win.
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Haha! Now we found you out! "You people"? You're NOT Singaporean, just an infiltraitor out to cause trouble under a Singaporean disguise. Go back to your kampong, fag.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Anybody who hasn't been to front-line units will tell you NS can be shortened.
Those who do will tell you even 2 years is rather short.
It took myself more than a year to become proficient in my vocation and by then I had only a few more months to serve and half of it was spent teaching the newer batches who would go through the same thing.
and i keep replying and giving examples to have a regular force with more than 5 years!!!u cant win using conscript force....they would be a meal for enemy forces with regular troops of 10 years expertise...who ask u folks not to sign on n get more experience!!!!see lar....:)