Originally posted by Hitman Factory 1:#$$$$$ could be saved in ns trainings duration and channelled to technology or even better be invested somewhere else.
We have lots of money, we can buy any weapons we need, but to be effective we need to train the man to use them. Doom to us when we have to fight a war with money only, pay for mercensaries, and use technologies for the soldiers who can't run or wheelchaired bound. This kind of money is no investment.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:We have lots of money, we can buy any weapons we need, but to be effective we need to train the man to use them. Doom to us when we have to fight a war with money only, pay for mercensaries, and use technologies for the soldiers who can't run or wheelchaired bound. This kind of money is no investment.
u have $$$$$$ and can buy any weapon???thats what the japanese and german said in ww2 !they even had slave labour to make weapons.they had trainings too.they still lost.its how practical they intend to think and have effective use of what they are given is all that matters in a war.since your technology in war is par with rest of countries and really dont see much difference..its not like they are using spears but have the same weapon that shoots same amount of rounds per minute as what any rifle is able to do.thats where u nshouldnt depend on your common weapon with technology not much diffeerrnt to that 30 years ago.
no one in ns has ever failed to run or pass bmt in 3 or 4 mths.if 90% pass still ok!how many u know failed bmt and never passed out in 3 or 4 mths?
the other remaining time being sent to units could simply be a waste of time.
the american army pays full time soldiers from all races and use technologies for their soldiers to prevent soldiers from getting killed and in wheelchairs.
the $$$$ would be well invested to prevent casualties ,get more professional career soldiers as regulars and improve firepower.
Originally posted by Underpaid:Hah, who said? The Germany and Japan in Hitman’s fantasy world? No one I remember of note in the war said anything like that. I call bullshit. Hitman using the sgforums as a toilet again.
And you think Middle ages ah? You and Ang Mo go arm wrestle to see who wins? Nowadays, they use guns, 5.56 don’t care if you Ang Mo, Or Mo, or Che Mo, one hit is all it takes. Hitman still thinking more muscles = better bullet.
“no one in ns has ever failed to run or pass bmt in 3 or 4 mths.if 90% pass still ok!how many u know failed bmt and never passed out in 3 or 4 mths?”
3 I know, but then, my time standards were probably stricter. Obviously if they let Hitman pass…
For those curious, you recourse in the next batch, though one 1st Sgt I knew recoursed a year later, regular, had other training he had to take 1st.
sg, I totally agree with you. Throw a Skyblade’s controls to Hitman, and he’ll probably try to use it as a club, you need to train to be able to use weapons effectively, what BullsHitman really wants is to bitch about NS and skive. Our stuff really isn’t that far from top end high tech, in some cases even exceeds US equipment, but all the tools in the world won’t help without proper training, which needs more than a cheap 4 months.
i have no idea what u smokin here.
its almost 2pm!!arent u supposed to be at werk supporting the economy??
Originally posted by Underpaid:Hah, who said? The Germany and Japan in Hitman’s fantasy world? No one I remember of note in the war said anything like that. I call bullshit. Hitman using the sgforums as a toilet again.
And you think Middle ages ah? You and Ang Mo go arm wrestle to see who wins? Nowadays, they use guns, 5.56 don’t care if you Ang Mo, Or Mo, or Che Mo, one hit is all it takes. Hitman still thinking more muscles = better bullet.
“no one in ns has ever failed to run or pass bmt in 3 or 4 mths.if 90% pass still ok!how many u know failed bmt and never passed out in 3 or 4 mths?”
3 I know, but then, my time standards were probably stricter. Obviously if they let Hitman pass…
For those curious, you recourse in the next batch, though one 1st Sgt I knew recoursed a year later, regular, had other training he had to take 1st.
sg, I totally agree with you. Throw a Skyblade’s controls to Hitman, and he’ll probably try to use it as a club, you need to train to be able to use weapons effectively, what BullsHitman really wants is to bitch about NS and skive. Our stuff really isn’t that far from top end high tech, in some cases even exceeds US equipment, but all the tools in the world won’t help without proper training, which needs more than a cheap 4 months.
He have a point, fortunately not everybody is like him, cannot pass IPPT, ....hahaha
Originally posted by Underpaid:Yeah, I do think they should toughen up BMT too, but that’s a different topic, no matter how tough BMT, it cannot substitute for more advanced training, and it’s this advanced training that takes time.
I still can't imagine how people think we should shorten OCT. I tend to believe those who think we can shorten NS are those zho boh in the army.
ahem,,,,,find ns too short?then sign on!
its like having instant laksa noodles and the real laksa noodles.
Exactly. It's either teach the shit in BMT or teach after. My beef is even though BMT was shortened one week, it has been turned into a hollow shell. The 9 weeks are almost wasted and can be better spent learning something useful.
I would refer to teach it in BMT so every soldier has it.
Originally posted by Hitman Factory 1:ahem,,,,,find ns too short?then sign on!
Originally posted by Underpaid:
Ahem... unlike some zho bo lan Bullshitman who ran off, we're signed on till 55/60. Next thing you'll know, he'll want reservist to be one hour a year. Hell, even in reservist, we're still learning new stuff, I only got to call in airstrike, use unmanned ground sensors, in my 5th high key. Can you imagine how much more we have to learn in reservist if they didn't fit it into the 2.5 years?
u can sign on till 100.once u reach 50 ,u are classified as liability.if u like it,,then that is for u to enjoy.
wah 4 months....ours still 2 years....
Originally posted by alize:Exactly. It's either teach the shit in BMT or teach after. My beef is even though BMT was shortened one week, it has been turned into a hollow shell. The 9 weeks are almost wasted and can be better spent learning something useful.
I would refer to teach it in BMT so every soldier has it.
BMT is for *basic* military training, for guys to learn which end of the rifle is the more dangerous end, to learn how not to shoot themselves in the face/foot. There are other things BMT teaches, but that's probably the most important.
That IMO, one of the real values of NS as a deterrent force. Any potential occupier better be prepared to enter a country where every (well, almost) Singaporean male over the age of 18 can aim in the correct direction and shoot a rifle/pistol. Whether they'll actually hit anything is secondary. Because having so many men trained is enough to give occupiers pause. Anyone on the street is a potential threat.
Having said that, BMT is 9 weeks now? What did they take out?
PDF uses shotguns? I thought those guys are issued any old weapons available, I hardly think specialized weapons are bought for them. (M-16s- the rare occasion when this is a good thing). About 3 years back saw this Local Security Company concept in an issue of Army News. They gather some surplus guys from reservist battalions together in a company and train them during ICT. PDF is the HQ responsible for POI, this sounds like the kind of forces available to them in war.
First I've heard about the shotgun- what model are they issued?
Originally posted by Underpaid:“Having said that, BMT is 9 weeks now? What did they take out?”
With a lot of luck, Hitman.
And I totally agree with meander, the skill of the soldier is almost irrevelant considering that the terrain in Singapore is so closed, just firing a mag down an enemy filled corridor is almost sure to hit something. It’s also why our PDFs use shotguns.
In forrested areas though, training starts to show, so allocation of forces would probably be more like BMTs and PDFs for home defence while the NSF and NSmen push into enemy territory.
“u can sign on till 100.once u reach 50 ,u are classified as liability.if u like it,,then that is for u to enjoy.”
As opposed to you being classified as a liability at 18, and not only to NS.
u just dream on in a POW camp.....!:)
Originally posted by Hitman Factory 1:u can sign on till 100.once u reach 50 ,u are classified as liability.if u like it,,then that is for u to enjoy.
a singaporean well trained during NS will never be a liability even at 100, anyone who can't even pass IPPT can be a liability to us!!
Originally posted by sgdiehard:a singaporean well trained during NS will never be a liability even at 100, anyone who can't even pass IPPT can be a liability to us!!
uneducated coolies said that too when they had to pull together a heavy passenger not too long ago in spore.
as a person age medical and military science has proven that their mental and physical abilty deteriorate in time.they get to be so slow in making decsions and making speeches.their ability to have a healthy heart beat is also a bi question.they cant solve problems and also run n will prove to be a liability.so what do u mean by them bein well trained n nevber be a liability at age 100?u are a liability to the planet by making your own pseudo medical research and killin many old people in the end!what are u??a monster?
i dont know who didnt pass ippt in here for bmt.i passed it in bmt when i was young in the months i was there.no big deal.
Originally posted by Underpaid:Bullshitman at it again. Honestly, I do believe I’m closer to a POW camp than he is by the virtue of him running away from any war that’ll threaten his own precious skin. Most people tend to call his type cowards.
Sorry alise, don’t know the model, only saw the recruits at 2 PDF doing loading/unloading drill with them.
u mean they trained u just to end up ina pow camp?then the spore gov should revamp ns to 4 months if they knew this was the result n $$$$ wassted on folks like u!
what war???theres no war in spore!which country had attacked spore using a platoon?u are a neurotic person here!!u ought to seek medical help on your mental issue. when war comes to spore,i will be back to save u from the POW camp.u make me angry...i will simply not help u when u get captured.and so u lose the war.
me a coward....?hahahahahaha....................u are a sad excuse for a soldier or foe even a doctor at that.there any millions of south koreans living permanently in australia,usa and england.their country is still in a state of war with north korea from 1950s.are they cowards too when they left their country when its in a state of war?their country allowed them out because they knew they were good soldiers and had contributed.same as in spore.spore isnt in a state of war like in south korea!are u mentally ill???they forget to decompress yiur brain when u went deep sea diving in ns?u insane permanently?
who are u in here to say who is a coward and shirking his duty?!!!in singapore they call folks like u a LKY wannabe.in cambodia they call folks like u a pol pot wannabe.if everyone in spore was like u ,everyone would still be coolies and still living in broken down transport systems and flooded areas and UNDERPAID as well!
Originally posted by Underpaid:Bullshitman at it again. Honestly, I do believe I’m closer to a POW camp than he is by the virtue of him running away from any war that’ll threaten his own precious skin. Most people tend to call his type cowards.
Sorry alise, don’t know the model, only saw the recruits at 2 PDF doing loading/unloading drill with them.
psst...so many people from india, china,south korea,russia ,vietnam and taiwan in oz too.their country is at war with one another or could be at war or had a war.....how come their country dun brand them as traitors and let them out???they all got ns and no people call them traitors or cowards.
singapore had a war with malaysia?indonesia?papua new guinea?border clashes and mortar rounds like india,china,taiwan and korea,,,corvette sinking by enemy forces???stealth ship captured??what war u talking about spore past and present??u are simply the rubbish!!!
the japanese army had attacked spore once but since then their imperial japanese army has been disarmed and no longer exist.
i would say its a feeling of insecurity from underpaid dude...kind of like a girl not wearing a bra or something. type of fweeling..:)