China stays cool as new US defense strategy targets Asia
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Do you think there is even one person in the audience who will read this wall of shit you post?
You coud die tomorrow, nobody would know you were gone.
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... I'm not sure if I'm just very patient, over-optimistic or an idiot. I read the 1st and 2nd post. :P Can I sue him to get my 10 min of life back? Anyway, he does highlight a very disturbing situation in case of an anti-China conflict, a potentially huge fifth columnist movement with Chinese FT. Do we incarcerate, repatriate? Leave free? Allow to join the defence? Almost like the Malays in Army problem in the 60s.
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Originally posted by alize:
Do you think there is even one person in the audience who will read this wall of shit you post?
You coud die tomorrow, nobody would know you were gone.
Those who have little knowledge about left wing politics, history and current international affairs will have difficulties following my political line.
For example Underpaid. His knowledge about current international politics is limited, so he cannot follow my line of reasoning.
But this cannot be blamed because Singapore state media which is pro west hardly covers the anti-imperialist or left wing line of thinking.
You see most of the political journalists in ST covering international affairs. They are mostly ang moh. They follow the pro west line. Very few Singaporean writers would write on international issues. The Singapore press is cowardly in this way, don't dare to express their own views. Hide behind ang moh writers.
Those non political people go and read this type of pro western propaganda will be influenced.
Menon says India, China should deepen their strategic cooperative partnership
National Security Adviser (NSA) Shivshankar Menon today said that he was confident that, by working together, India and China would be able to successfully face the challenges that the new geopolitics were throwing up and would best serve their own national interests by further deepening their strategic cooperative relationship."India and China have demonstrated an ability to deal with difficult issues and to build a cooperative partnership based on common interests. Its regional and global impact, and its long term significance to our own development, is what makes the India-China relationship strategic in the true sense of the term," he said while speaking on "Developments in India-China Relations" at a function organised by the Chinese Embassy here.He agreed that the boundary question remained unresolved, and that there was no denying the fact that it was a difficult issue."However, a number of mechanisms have been put in place to ensure that the border stays peaceful while we seek a settlement of the boundary question. On the settlement itself, we are in the second stage of the three stage process of agreeing principles, a framework and finally a boundary line," he said. -
Originally posted by Underpaid:
And BRIC is anti-US? Bull. Brazil wants to stop the US? News to me. Dito Russia. And India’s more anti-China than anti-US. Kashmir, you know. Seems like the only outright anti-US on the list is China. Which unfortunately for you, ISN’T the spokesperson for BRIC.
They have differences here and there but the main goal of destroying the western centric order remains unchanged.
This is the second round of struggle by the south against the western centric economic order created by U.S and europe after WWII.
The first round was fought in the early 70s and collapsed in the late 70s. They didn't have the strength to reorganise the system.
The New International Economic Order (NIEO) was a set of proposals put forward during the 1970s by some developing countries through the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development to promote their interests by improving their terms of trade, increasing development assistance, developed-country tariff reductions, and other means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_International_Economic_Order
To understand the greater consequences of the present North-South economic antagonism, some historical perspective is needed.
In the early-1970s, developing countries at the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) coalesced into what became known as the Group of 77 to press their demands for a New International Economic Order (NIEO).
This aspiration grew out of the neo-Marxist political economy theory of the 1960s, which argued that the international trading system was condemning the "periphery"--Latin America and other developing countries--to poverty, exploitation and dependency.
Among other measures, the NIEO specifically called for a system of price supports for a number of key developing country commodity exports, indexation of developing country export prices to developed countries' manufactured exports, technology transfer and the negotiated redeployment of some developed country industries to developing nations.
By the 1980s, the NIEO agenda at the UN had foundered due to divergences in developing country interests, the inability to replicate OPEC's success with other commodities and, most importantly, the discrediting of its command-based economic theories. This was evidenced by the astonishing success of Taiwan, South Korea and others that pursued trade liberalization and export-led growth.
Thirty years later, at Cancun, many officials opined that the harsh rhetoric employed by major developing countries such as Brazil and India, as well as smaller African and Caribbean countries, was strongly reminiscent of the 1970s UNCTAD experience.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2751/is_74/ai_112411727/
South-South cooperation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South-South_cooperation
http://mouradahmia.g77.org/volume3.php
Early 70s, the developing world saw that the U.S was bogged down in Vietnam and was in recession and U.S morale was disrupted, so they launched their attack to destroy the U.S system. This attack failed.
2009 onwards, U.S was bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan and was in an economic recession, so the second round, this time under the BRIC bloc was launched.
They must not fail again.
For a new order
VLADIMIR RADYUHIN
BRIC shows signs of emerging as an alliance in an exercise seen as a challenge to the U.S.-dominated unipolar world order. AP
External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee with other BRIC Foreign Ministers Celso Amorim (Brazil), Sergei Lavrov (Russia) and Yang Jiechi (China), and Eduard Rossel (centre), Sverdlovsk Governor, at the press conference in Yekaterinburg on May 16.In Yekaterinburg, Russia, India, China and Brazil vowed to turn their four-way group into a powerful political and economic instrument for changing the world. “We are the world’s fastest-growing economies, we have many common interests in the globalised world and share many views on how to build a more democratic, fair and stable world,” Lavrov said at a joint press conference after the BRIC conference.
External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee hailed BRIC as a “unique combination of mutually complementary economies” and a platform to promote energy and food security, fight terrorism and reform global political and financial bodies.
“We are changing the way the world order is organised,” echoed the Brazilian Foreign Minister.
The joint communique said the four Ministers “confirmed the aspirations of the BRIC countries to work together with each other and other states in the interests of strengthening international security and stability”.
The principles that the BRIC Ministers laid down for resolving global problems are clearly at variance with the unilateral stand of the U.S.-dominated Western organisations.
http://www.hindu.com/fline/fl2512/stories/20080620251205200.htm
U.S and the west will oppose the south from joining forces to destroy their western order.
They will continue to divide up the states, set India against China and sow discord to prevent the status quo which serves their interests from being disrupted.
I hope the U.S fails in their plots.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Those who have little knowledge about left wing politics, history and current international affairs will have difficulties following my political line.
For example Underpaid. His knowledge about current international politics is limited, so he cannot follow my line of reasoning.
But this cannot be blamed because Singapore state media which is pro west hardly covers the anti-imperialist or left wing line of thinking.
You see most of the political journalists in ST covering international affairs. They are mostly ang moh. They follow the pro west line. Very few Singaporean writers would write on international issues. The Singapore press is cowardly in this way, don't dare to express their own views. Hide behind ang moh writers.
WTH. ST picks local and selected foreign writers who are pessimistically and emotionally anti-Western. Theydo this for appeasement. Anyone agree?
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BRIC all wants to destroy western centric bullcrap. Their economies depend on the US, in part or in whole. Your politics and international knowledge is 40 years out of date. Example. If China drives the US economy down, what do you think is going to happen to their own reserves? WHICH ARE PRIMARILY IN US TREASURY BONDS? Brazil? Where do you think is their closest, biggest market? The US. You think they'd ship to China when there is such a big market next door? India, it's biggest conflict area is with China, it doesn't have competing teritory claims with the US. Left wing politics is exactly that, SOCIALISTIC politics, not flights of fantasy which don't take into account international situations and economies. You're thinking left wing = paradise and magical fufillment. It isn't.
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In Yekaterinburg, Russia, India, China and Brazil vowed to turn their four-way group into a powerful political and economic instrument for changing the world. “We are the world’s fastest-growing economies, we have many common interests in the globalised world and share many views on how not to listen to Daleforce,� Lavrov said at a joint press conference after the BRIC conference. External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee hailed BRIC as a “unique combination of mutually complementary economies� and a platform to promote energy and food security, fight Daleforcism and reform global forum and female bodies. “We are changing the way stupidity is organised,� echoed the Brazilian Foreign Minister. ---------------------------------------------------------- See? I can post anything in any form I want to promote an agenda too.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
See? I can post anything in any form I want to promote an agenda too.
So what's your agenda?
My agenda is anti-imperialism, destruction of western centric world order and creation of a more fair, more balanced multipolar world order.
I will support those who have same agenda as me.
Iran, Venezuela call U.S. a global danger
Amid fresh concerns about Iran’s nuclear intentions and a growing diplomatic squabble, Iran’s president began a four-day Latin American trip in Venezuela.
BY JIM WYSS
[email protected] BOGOTA -- Amid escalating tensions in the Persian Gulf and a growing diplomatic squabble in the Americas, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad received a red carpet welcome in Venezuela Monday as he kicked off a four-nation Latin American tour that is raising concerns in Washington, D.C.
Ahmadinejad’s visit, which will also take him to Nicaragua, Cuba and Ecuador, comes a day after the U.S. Department of State confirmed that Venezuela’s consul in Miami was asked to leave the country amid reports that she took part in a 2008 discussion about a potential cyber-attack against the United States.
It also comes the same day Iran was accused of stepping up its efforts to enrich uranium, and Iran’s courts announced a former U.S. Marine was condemned to death on spying charges.
Calling Ahmadinejad his “real brother,” Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez said the two nations had to stand together against the United States and her allies. “We didn’t ask for this task, but it’s our duty to stop the crazed imperialism that is stronger than ever before,” he said. “It’s a danger to the world — these pretensions of the Yankee Empire to control the globe.”
The escalating rhetoric came as the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency said Iran had started enriching uranium at a new fortified bunker.
Iran claims its nuclear program is peaceful, but the international community is increasingly concerned about its military ambitions and has been ratcheting up economic sanctions.
Ahmadinejad said his nation was prepared for “martyrdom” but that it had no bellicose intentions. “We love everyone,” he said, on the steps of the presidential palace, “including the people of the United States who are suffering under the domination of the arrogant.”
Chávez said the U.S. and its “lackeys” were trying to paint Iran and Venezuela as the aggressors. “Who has dropped thousands and thousands of bombs on innocent civilians — including some atomic bombs? Who has promoted coups, massacres and genocide?” Chávez asked. “Not us. We are among the countries that have been victims.”...
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/09/2581605/iran-venezuela-call-us-a-global.html
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dalforce is pro-china.
so those who opposed him must be pro-US.
case closed!!!
btw, why argue? just state your opinion and move on.
one thing i notice about the behaviour of some people in forums, everywhere. they comment like they are definitely right. but they cant see whatever they say is just another opinion. they think others are sprouting rubbish and nonsense. they say others are discriminating and bias? but thats what they are too.
the hokkien says, 'kiang dio ho, mai kay kiang'.
stop being so full of yourself.
i dont have to point finger and say it to you. if you think i am shit, i think you are shit too.
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Originally posted by dragg:
dalforce is pro-china.
I am pro China because China is against the U.S imposed hegemonic order. If they support the U.S order, I will oppose China.
The main issue is the U.S western centric hegemonic order and U.S imperialism, not China.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
I am pro China because China is against the U.S imposed hegemonic order. If they support the U.S order, I will oppose China.
The main issue is the U.S western centric hegemonic order and U.S imperialism, not China.
That's a strange contention. China needs US as much as US needs China. Same reason why China funds US treasury needs and US trades significantly with China.
US global economic and political leadership is a reality. China did absolutely zilch in obstructing US interests aka wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya even though China has a security council veto.
US needs China to be public enemy number 1 cos no other country exerts the influence to justify US$700billion in defense spending every year. That's only for defense spending purposes. Trade wise, China is ironically & probably closer to the US than Europe is. US needs China to sustain economic growth cos that propels the US economy as well.
Being pro-China doesn't make one automatically anti-US.
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Originally posted by weasel1962:
That's a strange contention. China needs US as much as US needs China. Same reason why China funds US treasury needs and US trades significantly with China.
U.S will never accept China to rise up and challenge its hegemonic global order.
Areas where they see an advantage to cooperate, they will, but the basic conflict will remain.
Fight a bit, kiss a bit. Fight a bit, kiss a bit. This is the basic pattern of U.S China relations.
They will still deploy troops and bases around China. They will still interfere in Taiwan and sell arms. Praise Dalai lama, intervene in south china sea dispute, play balance of power game with south korea, Japan, Australia, India against China.
China top military paper warns U.S. aims to contain rise
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/10/us-china-usa-defence-idUSTRE8090BT20120110
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Probably the only post from Daleforce that makes sense. But you forget one thing that I already mentioned. America is currently militarily and economically depleted, they can't stop China even if they wanted to if push really came to shove. Are you a racist by any chance?
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dalforce = china?
