the conventional way of ranging would be deploying forward observation team to guide and call for ranging targets. by deployin GPS rounds, we can do away wif forward observation laision teams.Originally posted by YourFather:GPS-guided rounds in active-service in SAF? now that's news to me...
Can tell me what type of rounds they are? Cargo or normal HE with earth penetrators?
Also, why are they used for ranging? I mean, GPS rounds are GUIDED, why would anyone use a GUIDED round to range for unguided rounds?
I still find it hard to believe that we already have GPS rounds, considering the pretty immense technical hurdles to developing such a round. The Americans are still trying to develop such a round in the form of the Excalibur, and huge cost per round is still an issue.
yes, that's one of the way the gps rounds are used.Originally posted by YourFather:Sorry, but that still doesn't make sense to me (bear with me, I'm quite ignorant about arty fire procedures). I assumed you mean in your earlier post that GPS rounds is used only for initial fire, then subsequent "fire for effect" is done using normal rounds. Is that what you meant?
Issit possible for you to elaborate furher on how GPS-guided rounds is used in SAF? Also, to use a round which costs possibly $10,000+ (by normal estimates for guided arty rounds) just for ranging sounds pretty wasteful....
Originally posted by ah san:hi , was juz wondering whether we haf any Armoured Artillery Vehicles in spore?
if haf? specs?
if not ? why?
thanks all....juz curious...
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Now this makes MUCH more sense.... I was all along thinking in the line of the Excalibur..... If what we have is like what you said, then our rounds ain't too much to brag about.... (though its a pretty nifty capabilityOriginally posted by dkhoo:The GPS rounds might be used to correct arty fire. The round itself is unguided, but it transmits back the location where it lands. Then it can be compared to the location where it was supposed to land, and the guns laid correctly for the actual salvo. Normally this correction must be done by a FO near the target who radios back how far off the rounds are falling (actually, all infantry officers and many specialists also know how to do this). If the first arty round out can do it instead, it saves manpower and minimizes risk to personnel. After all, FOs are hunted down mercilessly by the enemy since they literally call down fire from heaven.
This kind of GPS round is different from the American Excalibur. The Excalibur actually is able to correct its trajectory in flight and is a guided round. Our rounds may just be normal unguided rounds with a GPS receiver and location transmitter.
Its a good thing to note that NON of these smart munitions (SADARM, SMART, BONUS and PELICAN) have ANY capability to engage moving targets at the moment.... So I guess their usefulness is limited unless used against dug in targets or counter-arty fire......Originally posted by Joe Black:Other than GPS rounds, would it be feasible to develop a millimeter wave guide like the German SMART and an IR guided munition like the Swedish-Franco BONUS round?
Anyway, I've found an interesting whitepaper about submunitions, and it can found at
http://www.leavenworth.army.mil/threats/whitepapers/ADHPM.doc
The only things that can hit moving targets are Hellfire fired from a Predator UAV, or a BAT munition dropped from a UAV. I wonder MMV rmortar rounds like Merlin can hit moving targets.Originally posted by YourFather:Its a good thing to note that NON of these smart munitions (SADARM, SMART, BONUS and PELICAN) have ANY capability to engage moving targets at the moment.... So I guess their usefulness is limited unless used against dug in targets or counter-arty fire......
well said!!!Originally posted by dkhoo:The GPS rounds might be used to correct arty fire. The round itself is unguided, but it transmits back the location where it lands. Then it can be compared to the location where it was supposed to land, and the guns laid correctly for the actual salvo. Normally this correction must be done by a FO near the target who radios back how far off the rounds are falling (actually, all infantry officers and many specialists also know how to do this). If the first arty round out can do it instead, it saves manpower and minimizes risk to personnel. After all, FOs are hunted down mercilessly by the enemy since they literally call down fire from heaven.
This kind of GPS round is different from the American Excalibur. The Excalibur actually is able to correct its trajectory in flight and is a guided round. Our rounds may just be normal unguided rounds with a GPS receiver and location transmitter.