singapore's new air defence system
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http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/notif_db.php?regionin=eapc&ctryin=sgp&descin=&date1in=1998&date2in=2002&typein=%
read from the above source that singapore have purchase the missiles from france.
for more about the missile click the link below
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nice... we probably can use that to shoot down malaysia's A2...
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A2? no lah, maybe SU-30,migs,hornets.....
wonder which vehicle SAF would chose to mount those missiles on.
bionix? terrex?
this bring me to another thing, i ever did saw a M113 mounted with a twin igla launcher plus it's radar. the radar sure looks like a oil drum to me. -
and why not A2... afterall.. in the air... its like any other plane with wing and engine....made of metal also... you think the missile is gonna care if its target is a plane or a stupid straight flying rocket?
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somebody please write a feedback to CDF to decommission the god damn i-Hawks .
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While the purchase of the Crotale is a good move I do believe that, with the increasing appearance of longer ranged precision guided weapons amongst regional air forces, it is time for the SAF to consider purchasing longer ranged Air Defence systems to counter this threat. Systems like the S-300 must defintitely come into consideration to meet this coming threat.
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Oh yes , i believe the S-300 ( or 400 ) will indeed be a force multiplier , a stationary resistor agaisnt those MRCA from south and north. But even if we dun purchase the S-300 , i believe our neighbours will , to stop our overwheming airpower .......Originally posted by Viper52:While the purchase of the Crotale is a good move I do believe that, with the increasing appearance of longer ranged precision guided weapons amongst regional air forces, it is time for the SAF to consider purchasing longer ranged Air Defence systems to counter this threat. Systems like the S-300 must defintitely come into consideration to meet this coming threat.
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tie 50kg of HE to that S 300... and we got ourselves an SRBM
wat about THAAD? project cancelled? -
i've noticed countries like japan, korea and i believe taiwan all have the patriot missle system. i was wondering if sg would get those. unrealistic as i may i sound, i think the sm3er would be great for the saf...
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Sorry to pour cold water on your eagerness, but SM3ER is sea-based, not land-based. Its too damned big for use on land I think. Otherwise, the USAF and army would have clammer for that system ages ago, if my memory serves me right. Anybody has any info????
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Is this a replacement of a current system or an additional platform to complement existing systems?Originally posted by foga:http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/notif_db.php?regionin=eapc&ctryin=sgp&descin=&date1in=1998&date2in=2002&typein=%
read from the above source that singapore have purchase the missiles from france.
for more about the missile click the link below
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/crotale/ -
out of topic guys...something i always wana say..its in my chest always nid to get it out of me..Originally posted by Flight Cadet Officer:somebody please write a feedback to CDF to decommission the god damn i-Hawks .
the present CDF look like wuss piggy to me...
ahhhhh..feel much better..i prefer Uncle Poh..very nice guy -
This is truely something I cannot understand. Why would US Congress be notified of a French missile sales to Singapore. It is not part of the Foreign Military Sales law requiring the congress to approval sales of military equipment and services. Unless part of the deal has some US components, or has Thales Air Defense been partly own by some American company?
Secondly question is that is this the Rapier replacement? Which platform/chassis is the launcher being mounted on? -
Joe B, check out http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jdw/jdw010307_4_n.shtmlOriginally posted by Joe Black:This is truely something I cannot understand. Why would US Congress be notified of a French missile sales to Singapore. It is not part of the Foreign Military Sales law requiring the congress to approval sales of military equipment and services. Unless part of the deal has some US components, or has Thales Air Defense been partly own by some American company?
Secondly question is that is this the Rapier replacement? Which platform/chassis is the launcher being mounted on?
You answer is in the phrase "The original VT1 was designed and built under contract to Thomson-CSF Airsys (now Thales Air Defence) by the now Lockheed Martin. Development of the VT1 commenced in the USA in 1986" in the 3rd paragraph
I've no idea if this is the Rapier replacement, but I'd bet it will be mounted on a Bionix chassis -
Could it be used on the Thales Crotale Naval CN2 on the delta frigates? this system also uses the VT-1......
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i think he looks like the kim jong il's first cousin. Btw, i think kim jong il is the real FAT BASTARDOriginally posted by NathanG5:out of topic guys...something i always wana say..its in my chest always nid to get it out of me..
the present CDF look like wuss piggy to me...
ahhhhh..feel much better..i prefer Uncle Poh..very nice guy -
A good buy versus this ridiculously expensive NGF tender.
It's the right system when you look at the most immediate threat Singapore is facing - terrorism especially those from the air.
I don't think the VT-1 is a replacement for the rapier. I believe it will be a mobile system versus the rapier - a more static system for defense of installations.
VT-1 has a bigger warhead that's both contact and proximity fused. So if they hit anything there will be less pieces of it around to cause any collateral damage.
Any idea if the FCS is CROTALE or local developed system?
I wonder Is it possible to hang glide from JB to Singapore CBD or Orchard rd area if they jump off one of those high rises?
Are they detectable by radar? I think we need a IR area sensor to cope with this possibility. -
you saw the iglas on the M113s too?
I thought the M113s would be too top-heavy and high centre of gravity to be very stable.
kinda worried for our guys in the vehicle if it overturns...Originally posted by foga:A2? no lah, maybe SU-30,migs,hornets.....
wonder which vehicle SAF would chose to mount those missiles on.
bionix? terrex?
this bring me to another thing, i ever did saw a M113 mounted with a twin igla launcher plus it's radar. the radar sure looks like a oil drum to me. -
Hi Foga and moderator,
Once again, I wrestle with whether this is a "state secret" or not, but I hate to burst your bubble. The VT-1 missles have been ordered for the La Fayette class stealth frigates that the RSN are buying. Each frigate has a Crotale CN2 SAM system that uses these VT-1 missiles. Each ship normally carries 24 missiles. The existing SAF SAM umbrella is pretty good and interlocking. Although we do not have the Bloodhounds anymore, we use I-Hawks for long to medium range, than Rapier for area defence, than Igilas, RBS-70s, and various AA guns for short range.Cheers
http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/notif_db.php?regionin=eapc&ctryin=sgp&descin=&date1in=1998&date2in=2002&typein=%
read from the above source that singapore have purchase the missiles from france.
for more about the missile click the link below
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/crotale/[/quote] -
i thought the frigates will be armed with Aster 15 ?
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And I hate to burst your bubble back but:Originally posted by On the way:Hi Foga and moderator,
Once again, I wrestle with whether this is a "state secret" or not, but I hate to burst your bubble. The VT-1 missles have been ordered for the La Fayette class stealth frigates that the RSN are buying. Each frigate has a Crotale CN2 SAM system that uses these VT-1 missiles. Each ship normally carries 24 missiles. The existing SAF SAM umbrella is pretty good and interlocking. Although we do not have the Bloodhounds anymore, we use I-Hawks for long to medium range, than Rapier for area defence, than Igilas, RBS-70s, and various AA guns for short range.Cheers
- RSN frigates are NOT Lafayette class. It is a design related to but different from the Lafayette class
- One of the few facts to have emerged from the RSN frigate purchase is that the SAM system would be the Aster 15
- The AD systems you've mentioned are all obsolete. Full stop. Rapier, RBS-70 and I-Hawk are all 1970s era designs. It was ok when regional threats were reduced to using older aircraft and dumb bombs. Now that PGMs and 4th generation aircraft are making an appearance, all these systems should be thrown out into the junkyard where they belong. -
Oh, so desuka!!!! Thank you Viper for clearing this upOriginally posted by Viper52:Joe B, check out http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jdw/jdw010307_4_n.shtml
You answer is in the phrase "The original VT1 was designed and built under contract to Thomson-CSF Airsys (now Thales Air Defence) by the now Lockheed Martin. Development of the VT1 commenced in the USA in 1986" in the 3rd paragraph
I'm still puzzled why ADSD went for VT1 given it was designed in the 80s albeit that its performance is considered super even till today. Why not use VLS Barak instead?
I also believe in having a LAV-AD type AD system. The Gatling is a good backup for VSHORAD.
Finally it is interesting that the ADF when for an upgraded RBS 70 with PSTAR instead. I wonder if ADSD will follow suit? -
i-hawk's a sam dude. therefore fit under the "air defence" category.Originally posted by NathanG5:out of topic guys...something i always wana say..its in my chest always nid to get it out of me..
the present CDF look like wuss piggy to me...
ahhhhh..feel much better..i prefer Uncle Poh..very nice guy
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MAJOR AIR DEFENCE BOOST FOR AUSTRALIA
The Federal Government has today signed an $83 million contract to dramatically boost AustraliaÂ’s ground based air defence capability.
The contract with Saab Systems Australia is to supply short-range laser guided missile systems to the Australian Army which will effectively double AustraliaÂ’s ground based air defence capability operating out of Woodside 16h Air Defence Regiment in South Australia.
Minister for Defence Robert Hill said the Government has agreed to purchase additional RBS70 weapons systems and Portable Search and Target Acquisition Radars. The project will also upgrade the existing RBS70 systems and replace the Rapier systems.
"The RBS70 is the most modern man-portable Short Range Air Defence system available in the world. It offers very effective protection against low level aircraft and helicopters and its laser rangefinder and optical sighting system is immune to radar jamming," Senator Hill said.
"A version of the system has been in service with the Australian Army for 15 years. A troop of about 24 personnel is currently on operation in the Persian Gulf providing point air defence to HMAS Kanimbla and will return to Australia in July."
Saab Systems is an Adelaide-based company specialising in high technology military systems and has very good track record in a number of significant Defence projects in Australia and overseas. It currently employs about 250 people, and this contract will generate up to 10 full time additional positions.
The RBS70 weapon systems will be supplied by Saab Bofors Dynamics of Sweden. This will be integrated with surveillance and target acquisition radar supplied by Lockheed Martin in the United States. A new command and control system will be developed by Saab Systems Australia to more effectively manage and integrate AustraliaÂ’s ground based air defence systems.
"While the weapon launchers and radars will be manufactured overseas, the prime contract with the Adelaide-based Saab Systems will provide opportunities for local industry involvement, particularly in the production and through life support for the Command and Control System," Senator Hill said.
"This latest contract will complement other developments in air defence, including the forthcoming construction of a RBS70 simulator system at Woodside to improve the effectiveness and efficiency of soldier air defence training.
"It will also deliver another of the GovernmentÂ’s White Paper promises and will ensure that the Army maintains a credible short range air defence capability when the aging Rapier system reaches the end of its life from around mid 2005." -
if the infor could be found on line thru reputable sites, then it shouldn't be "state secret" rite?
[/b][/quote]Originally posted by On the way:Hi Foga and moderator,
Once again, I wrestle with whether this is a "state secret" or not, but I hate to burst your bubble. The VT-1 missles have been ordered for the La Fayette class stealth frigates that the RSN are buying. Each frigate has a Crotale CN2 SAM system that uses these VT-1 missiles. Each ship normally carries 24 missiles. The existing SAF SAM umbrella is pretty good and interlocking. Although we do not have the Bloodhounds anymore, we use I-Hawks for long to medium range, than Rapier for area defence, than Igilas, RBS-70s, and various AA guns for short range.Cheers
[b]http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/notif_db.php?regionin=eapc&ctryin=sgp&descin=&date1in=1998&date2in=2002&typein=%
read from the above source that singapore have purchase the missiles from france.
for more about the missile click the link below
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/crotale/