Know of any singaporeans in the French Foreign Legions?
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Interesting elite outfit where almost anyone can join...and they will give you a new name
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Don't think there are any. I've seen a pic of a South Korean in the FFL though...during the first Gulf War. My prof was from the FFL...originally German, he enlisted for the FFL in their airborne outfit after his mandatory service in the West German military. It was pretty cool seeing pictures of him in both German Mtn Troop uniform and French fatigues.
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Just a question first .. is it legal for a Singaporean to join a foreign army?
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it is actually..but becos they give u a new assume name..n ur identity is onli known to ur CO..or other officers..if nobody noes..so its ok...if im not wrong if u manage to complete a few years of service..u will be given French Citizenship(cant remember how many years)..if u stay on i service for a long time..they have an old age Home for old Legionares where u spent most of ur life till u die..Originally posted by kenhor:Just a question first .. is it legal for a Singaporean to join a foreign army? -
Ah .. but that means that it is done quietly .. and that it MAY be illegal for a Singaporean to join another army PUBLICLY
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Bingo!!!Originally posted by kenhor:Ah .. but that means that it is done quietly .. and that it MAY be illegal for a Singaporean to join another army PUBLICLY
sori tat i answer it such a long way..lolz -
Kenhor,
FYI, the Late? Colonel Khoo Eng An was borned in S'pore, but family moved to ROC. He joined the ROC navy and served with them for 27 years advancing to a senior position, He than returned to S'pore and was Chief of navy for 10 years between 1975 and 1985. So, the anwser to your question is yes, there have been people who served in other countries armed forces and than returned to serve in SAF.Originally posted by kenhor:Just a question first .. is it legal for a Singaporean to join a foreign army? -
doesnt matter....you can tell them u're a pork seller from mecca for all they care.As long as you are not a wanted criminal.
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Eh? I tot got one fellow after he retire from SAF the he go join Brunei Army. Later he come back that time he got deported...
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How come his tour of duty as Chief of Navy lasted 10 years? So long meh?
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Btw, one of our first CDF LG Winston Choo served much longer ( i think 14 years). During the buildup phase, i guess they needed the old hands to oversee and steady the ship and provide continuity.Originally posted by Icemoon:How come his tour of duty as Chief of Navy lasted 10 years? So long meh?
Nowzadayz they change commanders like a deck of cards -
Winston Choo actually served 18 years. He was kept around for that long due to the following reasons:
a) He was loyal and not ambitious
b) He actually had combat experience in the Konfrontasi with Indonesia and was actually involved in jungle warfare in Borneo.
c) At that time, LHL had not figured out how to legitimize his power base by fast tracking scholar generals into the civil service, so there were very few generals, and those that were around were actually career professional soldiers like Choo.Originally posted by IAF:Btw, one of our first CDF LG Winston Choo served much longer ( i think 14 years). During the buildup phase, i guess they needed the old hands to oversee and steady the ship and provide continuity.
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The ROC navy at that time was and still is much larger than the RSN. In addition, they have a much higher state of combat readiness due to the constant danger from China. In addition, the ROC navy has fought small scale engagements with communist chinese held islands, etc. As a ranking officer in the ROC navy, Khoo was eminently qualified to lead the RSN, and was definitely head and shoulders above the next candidate. Such a person should be employed for as long as possible.
The more important question was why was he even hired in the first placed? What if he was sending information back to his former employers in the ROC on the future RSN strategy? Can someone really trust an individual who gave his allegiance to another country's armed forces for 27 years?Originally posted by Icemoon:How come his tour of duty as Chief of Navy lasted 10 years? So long meh? -
aiya.. sign on FFL?? why not sign on SAF?
the pay in FFL not high oso.. comparable to SAF...
the condition i think worse than SAF, so while go FFL when u can join SAF? -
The FFL is usually made up of people who usually have a past to run away from. Some do it simply because they want a French passport (or any passport at all, for that matter)... Its is not unusual to have some pple in there who have criminal records and less than wonderful pasts...
There are some military people who regard the FFL more as glorified merceneries who fight under the French flag, and even within the French services, some French soldiers have the impression that they are not fully fledged forces. They are taken care of, given a roof over their heads, and are even given French lessons. But until they become French citizens, they are not allowed many liberties.... They cannot get married, they can't even buy a car.... Worse of all, they are considered 'expendable'. Like one ex-French serviceman told me, "Why do u think the French always send the Foreign Legion first?" The current situationin Congo is a good example.
However, this cannot take away the fact that the FFL is well-trained, tough and has a very proud tradition, especially for those guys who have chosen to go in. In many instances, the FFL is the closest thing to family that they have, and they are willing to die for it if the need be. Just -
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That is complete nonsense, you know nothing about the legion !Originally posted by zigzag:The FFL is usually made up of people who usually have a past to run away from. Some do it simply because they want a French passport (or any passport at all, for that matter)... Its is not unusual to have some pple in there who have criminal records and less than wonderful pasts...
There are some military people who regard the FFL more as glorified merceneries who fight under the French flag, and even within the French services, some French soldiers have the impression that they are not fully fledged forces. They are taken care of, given a roof over their heads, and are even given French lessons. But until they become French citizens, they are not allowed many liberties.... They cannot get married, they can't even buy a car.... Worse of all, they are considered 'expendable'. Like one ex-French serviceman told me, "Why do u think the French always send the Foreign Legion first?" The current situationin Congo is a good example.
However, this cannot take away the fact that the FFL is well-trained, tough and has a very proud tradition, especially for those guys who have chosen to go in. In many instances, the FFL is the closest thing to family that they have, and they are willing to die for it if the need be. Just
Murderers are not welcome in the Legion. Small matters like assault however will not necessarily prevent you from joining.
Some people here asked why joing the FFL if you can get more $$ in the SAF !! That really shows how you have no idea on one's motivation to join the FFL. Give me a break about the French passport thing... there are large numbers of American, British and German in the FFL, you think they are there for the passport?
Let me tell you why some American ex-USMC, Brit ex-RM, etc... go and join the Legion: because they want to know what it is to have a REAL soldier life. There is no PC bullshit in the Legion and how can you claim to be a real soldier if you never see real action ?
In your opinion zigzag, what is your % of chance of seeing real action in the SAF compared to the Legion, hmm ??
The Legionnaire are not mercenaries, where did you get this stupid idea from ? When the regular army is sent to fight it's normal but when it's the Legion then they become mercenaries ? You should cut on Jean-Claude Vandamme movies my friend... it is clouding your judgement. The Legionnaires are not expendable, they are trained to fight so that's what they do when it's their duty to do so, what is so difficult to understand about that ?
I suggest you visit some website aout the FFL, there are a lot, written by ex-legionnaire, in English. That will be an eye-opener for you. -
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Yep pay in the Leigon is pretty crap.But the leigon used to be made up of the social rejects.Now however thing are different.The Leigon's police actually conduct background checks using Interpol.Originally posted by Viking1:That is complete nonsense, you know nothing about the legion !
Murderers are not welcome in the Legion. Small matters like assault however will not necessarily prevent you from joining.
Some people here asked why joing the FFL if you can get more $$ in the SAF !! That really shows how you have no idea on one's motivation to join the FFL. Give me a break about the French passport thing... there are large numbers of American, British and German in the FFL, you think they are there for the passport?
Let me tell you why some American ex-USMC, Brit ex-RM, etc... go and join the Legion: because they want to know what it is to have a REAL soldier life. There is no PC bullshit in the Legion and how can you claim to be a real soldier if you never see real action ?
In your opinion zigzag, what is your % of chance of seeing real action in the SAF compared to the Legion, hmm ??
The Legionnaire are not mercenaries, where did you get this stupid idea from ? When the regular army is sent to fight it's normal but when it's the Legion then they become mercenaries ? You should cut on Jean-Claude Vandamme movies my friend... it is clouding your judgement. The Legionnaires are not expendable, they are trained to fight so that's what they do when it's their duty to do so, what is so difficult to understand about that ?
I suggest you visit some website aout the FFL, there are a lot, written by ex-legionnaire, in English. That will be an eye-opener for you.
Well the French have a saying....For every leigon dead it's 1 french man alive.For now though the leigon is the rapid depolyment force of the french army to compliment the Para's.Also some ex-service people from other counties join the Leigon because they had been released from their respective army and they cannot find employment anywhere else as they had spent their life in the service.(Mostly school drop outs lah)So they join the leigon to find empolyment.This was widespread after the Falkark war.
