The language used in this thread has gotten out of hand. I've now removed the obscene remarks, locked this thread and leave it to CenturionMBT to decide whether he wants to leave it locked, delete it totally, unlock it or just remove those posts that are out of hand.
Any attempt to restart this flame war by starting another thread will be deleted, full stop.
NathanG5 and Alphanumeric, usage of vulgarities here is not condoned, especially when its directed at the other side's families. I've removed those references and associated sentences. From my admittedly limited grasp of Bahasa, Kol's remark in Bahasa was not offensive
Please do not use such language again. You guys are just disgracing yourselves and your own country