Indonesia sends fighter planes to intercept 5 US planes
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Indonesia's air force went into high alert after its radar detected what it said were five US F-18 jets flying in the country's airspace over the Java sea, an air force spokesman, Captain Lubis said Friday.
Lubis, who goes by a single name, said several F-16 fighter planes were deployed to intercept the US F-18 planes which were maneuvering over Bawean Island off the eastern coast of Java island on Thursday.
He declined to provide more details, saying the air force would hold a media conference later Friday.
Jakarta's Kompas daily quoted an unnamed air force officer as saying that the US planes were spotted flying for more than two hours above the islands, 800 kilometers west of Jakarta.
The officer speculated that the planes were traveling with an aircraft carrier on its way to Iraq, the report said.
A US Embassy spokeswoman said she was not aware of the report.
Nationalist politicians and military officers have long complained about espionage flights or clandestine airdrops by foreign aircraft across Indonesia's 13,000 islands, which sit strategically between the Pacific and Indian Oceans.
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i wonder if those are actually ozzie planes?Originally posted by IAF:A US Embassy spokeswoman said she was not aware of the report. -
hhhmmm...interesting note the TNI-AN F-16 is still managable to fly.....i thought the intereception would handle by the BAE hawk 200
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The US were making noises around Indonesia.
Suddenly a blip appeared in the Indonesian radar. The 5 best Indonesian fighter pilots scrambled their planes to meet the Imperialist US aggressor!
And you know what?
The frisbee won! -
but hardly any US aircraft carrier around this region......even the base the nearest is okinawa japan or guam island.....Originally posted by the Bear:The US were making noises around Indonesia.
Suddenly a blip appeared in the Indonesian radar. The 5 best Indonesian fighter pilots scrambled their planes to meet the Imperialist US aggressor!
And you know what?
The frisbee won! -
Carl Vinson is in the area, she stopped over at SG over the weekend. Check out http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/news/.www/status.htmlOriginally posted by duotiga83:but hardly any US aircraft carrier around this region......even the base the nearest is okinawa japan or guam island..... -
wow thanks...i nvr heard news of that.....Originally posted by Viper52:Carl Vinson is in the area, she stopped over at SG over the weekend. Check out http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/news/.www/status.html
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Wah... they actually detected the F-18s?
Didn't know their radar coverage was that good... Most likely a tip off. -
Hmmm...from who?Originally posted by Shotgun:Wah... they actually detected the F-18s?
Didn't know their radar coverage was that good... Most likely a tip off. -
US, Indonesian fighters in tense encounter
JAKARTA - In a tense encounter above the Java sea, a group of US warplanes went into attack mode and were ready to fire on Indonesian jet fighters dispatched to intercept them after they flew into Indonesia's airspace, a senior officer said yesterday.
Rear Air Marshal Wresnowiro, head of Indonesia's air defence command, told a news conference that the US navy F-18 Hornets locked onto the Indonesian F-16 warplanes late on Thursday before communication was established and the incident resolved.
There were five Hornets in the group, although Rear Air Marshal Wresnowiro did not say if all of them had locked on.
'They adopted an attack manoeuvre. After they locked on, they asked whether the planes were friends or foe and an international sign indicating we're friends was relayed back.'
He said the US-made F-16s were dispatched after the US Hornets were picked up by air force radar and also noticed by an Indonesian airliner off the main island of Java.
He said the US planes were guarding an aircraft carrier, two frigates and a tanker which were travelling east.
He said the convoy was not in an area designated as a legal sea lane for passage, although the country's air force chief earlier said it was.
A spokesman for the US embassy in Jakarta said they were looking into the incident.
An Indonesian air force spokesman blamed the incident on slow Indonesian bureaucracy, adding the United States had sought permission to pass through but this was not approved in time.
'This was a sign of weakness in our bureaucracy because the request had to go through several institutions before it reached the hands of the air defence command on the ground,' air force spokesman Sagom Tamboen told local radio El Shinta.
The incident follows efforts to rebuild US-Indonesian military relations that were cut in response to Jakarta's failure to rein in militias that rampaged in Timor Leste when the tiny territory voted to break free in 1999. -- Reuters, AP -
Heh....the scramble was from a tip-off alerted by PT Garuda!Originally posted by IAF:He said the US-made F-16s were dispatched after the US Hornets were picked up by air force radar and also noticed by an Indonesian airliner off the main island of Java.
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In Thomas Friedman's book on globalization "Lexus and Olive Tree" he wrote that no two countries with McDonald restaurants ever went to war, to date. Well, i think this theory was nearly shot to bitsOriginally posted by IAF:JAKARTA - In a tense encounter above the Java sea, a group of US warplanes went into attack mode and were ready to fire on Indonesian jet fighters dispatched to intercept them after they flew into Indonesia's airspace, a senior officer said yesterday.
Rear Air Marshal Wresnowiro, head of Indonesia's air defence command, told a news conference that the US navy F-18 Hornets locked onto the Indonesian F-16 warplanes late on Thursday before communication was established and the incident resolved.
There were five Hornets in the group, although Rear Air Marshal Wresnowiro did not say if all of them had locked on.
'They adopted an attack manoeuvre. After they locked on, they asked whether the planes were friends or foe and an international sign indicating we're friends was relayed back.'
Can't imagine the consequences if those trigger-happy usn pilots had actually fox'd one or two indonesian vipers out of the sky. Perhaps, the indonesian af would quickly activate its secret alliance with rsaf and soon our vipers would join in the fray...hmmm
What ever it is, i believe the indon media would pump this story to the max...giving fresh anti-amrika ammo to islamic radicals there...don't think it will be far-fetched to speculate that this will have some sort of impact, politically, on the ongoing bali-bombing trial in the short term -
Perhaps the Indonesian F-16 flew towards the US jets in a welcoming formation, to "formally escort" the US jets into Indonesian air space.
Had the Indonesian F-16 taken on an agressive stance, those US jets would have blasted the Indonesians out of the sky long before the F-16 can even pick out the US jets.
The US Navy jets destroyed three Libyan MIGs, when they tried to pick a fight with the US carrier planes in the Mediterranean - flying towards the US naval group and ignoring the warnings of the US jets not to approach any closer to the security space of the US carrier group. -
Perhaps like what the indon naval officer said in response to spurious allegations by certain politicians north of singapore about indon navy ships firing on s'pore vessels...He said "There are rules of engagement"Originally posted by Atobe:Perhaps the Indonesian F-16 flew towards the US jets in a welcoming formation, to "formally escort" the US jets into Indonesian air space.
In the case of air-to-air combat, what are the rules of engagement? Never fire until you are fired upon?
Then again maybe those usn jocks were high on amphetamines
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Something like that...take Fighters A and B, which A is the aggressor and B is you, for example. A is making a move on you. You want to fight back but according to the Rules of Engagement, you are not authorised to shoot back until you are fired upon. That means that you cannot retaliate until it is confirmed that A has launched its missile or fired its cannon against you. Even if you have been locked-on on A's HUD, that does not indicate that you can retaliate...Originally posted by IAF:Perhaps like what the indon naval officer said in response to spurious allegations by certain politicians north of singapore about indon navy ships firing on s'pore vessels...He said "There are rules of engagement"
In the case of air-to-air combat, what are the rules of engagement? Never fire until you are fired upon?
Then again maybe those usn jocks were high on amphetamines
By the way, if you watch the first part of 'Top Gun', you get some idea of it... -
Two Indon F-16s only lah.Originally posted by the Bear:The US were making noises around Indonesia.
Suddenly a blip appeared in the Indonesian radar. The 5 best Indonesian fighter pilots scrambled their planes to meet the Imperialist US aggressor!
And you know what?
The frisbee won!
They were the ones intercepting and kenna lock-on first. . . so intercept for what. . . haiz
and anyone got more info ?? i couldn't even find the cna article, could only find this on Yahoo-AP:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030704/ap_on_re_as/indonesia_us_2 -
Actually it was not really any armed forces fault, and an IFF exchange soon solved the problem...
The main problem here is the slow Indo-government system, which is full of red tape... the Amerikanas actually did file a request to go through their waters, but it got bogged down in the Indo system and the aircraft carrier overtook it's own request... I think some heads are gonna roll in Indonesia upper ranks for this gaffe... -
Heh... 2 F-16s vs 5 USN F/A-18s. Indon vipers don't have any AMRAAMs... Those 2 pilots must feel really lucky.
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"....The main problem here is the slow Indo-government system, which is full of red tape... the Amerikanas actually did file a request to go through their waters, but it got bogged down in the Indo system and the aircraft carrier overtook it's own request... I think some heads are gonna roll in Indonesia upper ranks for this gaffe..."
Looks like red tape issue leh.......People already requested permission, yet, no reply....and the moment you close in to US carrier battle group, obviously they do have defenders protecting their assets and as a result Indons became intruders....(the other way round) !!!! -
I thot US made aircrafts cannot fire on US jets becos of what the Americans did with the avionics? And if that's true, no point sending those F-16s which may become artificial coral reefs since they can't fire missiles.
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artificial coral reefs
well said!!