Helicopter...
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anyone know.... other then Puma, UH1H, chinhook, Apache.... what other heli we have? do we have something like this?? please note that the rear part of the heli!! i think i saw something like that!! http://www.uscg.mil/d13/dpa/images/Image89.jpg
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Singapore also has the Fennec.Originally posted by NDU:anyone know.... other then Puma, UH1H, chinhook, Apache.... what other heli we have? do we have something like this?? please note that the rear part of the heli!! i think i saw something like that!! http://www.uscg.mil/d13/dpa/images/Image89.jpg
The helo you saw might be a Eurocopter EC120 or EC135, Eurocopter has a facility in the Loyang area and they have brought in civilian registered helos for maintenance and test flights. They have a tail rotor config similar to the HH-65 Dauphin in the pic -
next time we gonna have naval helicopter which we soon going to pick .....
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do we have any heli that can do asw now? or will we have them when our frigates are commissioned? cos tt looks like one of those helis!Originally posted by NDU:anyone know.... other then Puma, UH1H, chinhook, Apache.... what other heli we have? do we have something like this?? please note that the rear part of the heli!! i think i saw something like that!! http://www.uscg.mil/d13/dpa/images/Image89.jpg -
see aboveOriginally posted by wuming78:do we have any heli that can do asw now? or will we have them when our frigates are commissioned? cos tt looks like one of those helis!
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wah viper.. respect you man... like that you also know... yup... i saw them at sembawang camp... flying here and there.... and the tail part was so special... and its doesnt sound like normal heli... its sound lighter and it much much more slient then puma and Uh1hOriginally posted by Viper52:Singapore also has the Fennec and Apache (not delivered)
The helo you saw might be a Eurocopter EC120 or EC135, Eurocopter has a facility in the Loyang area and they have brought in civilian registered helos for maintenance and test flights. They have a tail rotor config similar to the HH-65 Dauphin in the pic
thanz for your info...
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No choice, had to learn more about the local industry while looking for jobOriginally posted by NDU:wah viper.. respect you man... like that you also know... yup... i saw them at sembawang camp... flying here and there.... and the tail part was so special... and its doesnt sound like normal heli... its sound lighter and it much much more slient then puma and Uh1h
thanz for your info...
The tail config is relatively rare, the more common users of that tail are the Gazelle, Dauphin, EC120 and EC135, can't remember what its called or why its not more commonly used despite it advantages (such as being quieter). Helicopter aerodynamics is not my area of speciality
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Hi Viper ,
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Originally posted by Viper52:
Singapore also has the Fennec and Apache (not delivered)
The helo you saw might be a Eurocopter EC120 or EC135, Eurocopter has a facility in the Loyang area and they have brought in civilian registered helos for maintenance and test flights. They have a tail rotor config similar to the HH-65 Dauphin in the pic
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[quote]Originally posted by NDU:wah viper.. respect you man... like that you also know... yup... i saw them at sembawang camp... flying here and there.... and the tail part was so special... and its doesnt sound like normal heli... its sound lighter and it much much more slient then puma and Uh1h
thanz for your info...
My understanding is that helicopters from the Eurocopter facility do not do not conduct their test flights ( after repairs / servicing ) over mainland Singapore let alone RSAF bases.
Their normal test flights areas are over the South China Sea
As such that the Helicopters flying over sembawang camp are not from Eurocopter facility.
Hi NDU,
You will never see civilian helicopters (unless by special permission) flying over any RSAF bases.
Any unidentified / unapproved flights over RSAF bases & other key installations will be deem as " hostile " (9 11 aka )
The copter that you saw should be :
One of helcopters for the RSN helcopter progarm under going
test trials.
Helicopters from other countries armed forces on attachment / training if its in military colours -
I think it is called Fenestron faired-in tail rotor.Originally posted by Viper52:No choice, had to learn more about the local industry while looking for job
The tail config is relatively rare, the more common users of that tail are the Gazelle, Dauphin, EC120 and EC135, can't remember what its called or why its not more commonly used despite it advantages (such as being quieter). Helicopter aerodynamics is not my area of speciality
In fact, I think the quietest tail rotor is the NOTOR. In fact, in one of the MD ad, a NOTOR quietly landed on a raunch and took off without even raising any attention from a nearby dog. -
Thomas,Originally posted by thomasct:Hi Viper ,
My understanding is that helicopters from the Eurocopter facility do not do not conduct their test flights ( after repairs / servicing ) over mainland Singapore let alone RSAF bases.
Their normal test flights areas are over the South China Sea
As such that the Helicopters flying over sembawang camp are not from Eurocopter facility.
Sembawang camp is a shared army/navy camp, quite a different place from Sembawang Airbase, which is owned by the RSAF.
I'm not too sure where the test flights are done, but I have seen several civilian EC120/135 as well as other civilian helicopters (mainly 206s) flying over the Johore Straits in the area near Sembawang camp which is where I presumed NDU saw it.
As for the naval helicopter thingy, I've been told by someone working near there that theres been a SH-60 thats frequently been flying in and out of PLAB the past week or so. None of the remaining contenders (NH90, Cougar and SH-60 Seahawk) for the RSAF/RSN naval helicopter contract use the Fenestron faired-in tail rotor, so we can probably discount that.
Joe Black, thanks for the reply, BTW I popped an email over to you the other day, sorry for the late reply. -
there is a sea hawk now near charlie pier at sembawang, around the fire station. most visiting a/c park there.
u can legally fly above sembawang air base. the training area in singapore consist of area a and b. area a is from 0 to 3500ft and 1nm around sembawang is out of limits to civilian a/c. area b is 4000ft to 10000ft and includes sembawang and seletar. -
Originally posted by thomasct:
hi..... i do agree and believe that SAF surely will set some rules on any flying zone in Singapore
Hi NDU,
You will never see civilian helicopters (unless by special permission) flying over any RSAF bases.
Any unidentified / unapproved flights over RSAF bases & other key installations will be deem as " hostile " (9 11 aka )
The copter that you saw should be :
One of helcopters for the RSN helcopter progarm under going
test trials.
Helicopters from other countries armed forces on attachment / training if its in military colours security reason!!! ofcoz!!! however, i really saw those heli frying near our camp... and its like what Viper have said... between sembawang and johor... as for the colour... its like like grey or milky colour.....
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most probably what you saw was the sea hawk base on the colors you describe and the fact that there is one in sembawang rite now.Originally posted by NDU:hi..... i do agree and believe that SAF surely will set some rules on any flying zone in Singapore security reason!!! ofcoz!!! however, i really saw those heli frying near our camp... and its like what Viper have said... between sembawang and johor... as for the colour... its like like grey or milky colour.....
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yeah i saw something like that too when I was in OBS on Ubin at the start of this year. . . posted in another thread some months ago. .Originally posted by NDU:anyone know.... other then Puma, UH1H, chinhook, Apache.... what other heli we have? do we have something like this?? please note that the rear part of the heli!! i think i saw something like that!! http://www.uscg.mil/d13/dpa/images/Image89.jpg -
Cavsg, i like to ask why is there a sea hawk in Sembawang now?
Is there any excerise?
Another thing, I was reading the "Defending the lion city" today, in the book he mentioned that the likely Naval Helo is is the Sikorsky S-70. I thot we are looking for a naval Intelli Helo, the S-70 looks nothing like it. -
I'm not sure but usually helos are parked at sembawang when their ship is in the docks for repairs. a chance for the sing and us crew to interact as well.
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When their ship docked?
Meaning to say there's a ship in dock now?
any idea which ship is that? -
Clarencebk,
the Sikorsky S-70 is the manufacturer designation for the helicopter. The US Armed Forces use the S-70 family in various guises including the UH-60, HH-60, MH-60, SH-60. They are used by the US Army, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard and have names ending with 'Hawk' (eg BlackHawk, Pave Hawk, Seahawk)
The pic used is technically a S-70, but its one of the HH/MH-60 versions. A SH-60 Seahawk (which is in the running for the RSAF naval helo contract) looks like this:
More Seahawk info here:
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/aircraft/air-sh60.html
According to the USN website, USS Harpers Ferry (LSD-49) is in Singapore at the moment. They don't have any organic helicopter or air wing attached, so I don't think it came from there. Unfortunately their site only covers the movement of the carriers and amphibious ships, so it might have came from an escort FFG that came with the LSD that we don't know about.
Status of the US Navy:
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/news/.www/status.html
On the other hand, a Seahawk could easily have fit into a C-5/C-17 and flown all the way here(CVW-5 at Atsugi Japan is the closest place I know with Seahawks)...though not likely -
Thankz for the info viper52.
Any info What other Helos are in the competition?
So from the selection, the naval helo is used for deployment and not for intelli purpose, right? -
According to sources, RSN is also seeking vertical takeoff and landing UAVs, one of the contenders being the Fire Scout. This one is probably for intelligence and maybe over-the-horizon targetting for RSN surface combattants.
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!!!!! look like this??? then confirm i saw one not seahawk!!! coz... i the tail is 'in built' type... not this lah....Originally posted by Viper52:Clarencebk,
the Sikorsky S-70 is the manufacturer designation for the helicopter. The US Armed Forces use the S-70 family in various guises including the UH-60, HH-60, MH-60, SH-60. They are used by the US Army, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard and have names ending with 'Hawk' (eg BlackHawk, Pave Hawk, Seahawk)
The pic used is technically a S-70, but its one of the HH/MH-60 versions. A SH-60 Seahawk (which is in the running for the RSAF naval helo contract) looks like this:
More Seahawk info here:
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/aircraft/air-sh60.html
According to the USN website, USS Harpers Ferry (LSD-49) is in Singapore at the moment. They don't have any organic helicopter or air wing attached, so I don't think it came from there. Unfortunately their site only covers the movement of the carriers and amphibious ships, so it might have came from an escort FFG that came with the LSD that we don't know about.
Status of the US Navy:
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/news/.www/status.html
On the other hand, a Seahawk could easily have fit into a C-5/C-17 and flown all the way here(CVW-5 at Atsugi Japan is the closest place I know with Seahawks)...though not likely -
NDU, did the helicopter you saw look anything like the following?Originally posted by NDU:!!!!! look like this??? then confirm i saw one not seahawk!!! coz... i the tail is 'in built' type... not this lah....
EC120
EC135
EC635
Gazelle
These are the most common helicopters with the Fenestron shrouded tail rotor you mentioned, other than the Dauphin that you'ce posted above -
Originally posted by NDU:
yah sure
hi..... i do agree and believe that SAF surely will set some rules on any flying zone in Singapore [b]security reason!!! ofcoz!!! however, i really saw those heli frying near our camp... and its like what Viper have said... between sembawang and johor... as for the colour... its like like grey or milky colour.....
cheers[/b]
wif pple spilling things out of their own base and posting it up in a forum? security
i doubt so...[/b] -
Originally posted by xiao_p:
hi,
yah sure
wif pple spilling things out of their own base and posting it up in a forum? security i doubt so...[/b]
plsease get this clear my friend... that stoopid heli was so big!! and its flying here and there at sembawang... a place which so flicking near to johor.... if you think that its top secret or some confidential stuff... then i would dis- agree with you
do you think that SAF will test the heli at in sin? do you know that the heli was so special(its tail) that any one who saw it will have notice it!!! and for your info... its have been flying down there for at least 5 over years!!! its just that, recently i saw it again and i start posting it down here!!
another issued, i know what i'm saying thats why some stuff i've never reveal at the forum.... i can tell you the type of training we going through... what weapon we are using, how i look at SAF.. and etc... i dont see anything wrong with that
thanz
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Originally posted by Viper52:
eeeeee thanz for all the photo u have provided!! i'm damn lousy on heli lah..... i only know UHIH and puma!!! hahahaahaha as that was what we normally have for our EX....
NDU, did the helicopter you saw look anything like the following?
[b]EC120
EC135
EC635
Gazelle
These are the most common helicopters with the Fenestron shrouded tail rotor you mentioned, other than the Dauphin that you'ce posted above[/b]
as for those pic... i think the grey and dark green colour one lah....
cheers
