From speaker's corner: Respect of The Ranks
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Originally posted by gUms:Do you respect an officer or a Warrant Officer more
any Why So..........
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Super old saying:Originally posted by CenturionMBT:
Rank is what you get, Respect is want you earn.
For me, regardless whether you are an commissioned officer or a warrant officer. I respect them equally with they deserve it.
But the trend is Officers are usually respected for their welfare to troops, charisma and abilty to make sound decision in the mist of a chaotic admin/training scenario..... while the warrant is usually respected by their experience, methods and the ability to protect and care for their troops....
In my NS stint...... The only officers I respect is my unit CO and ex-S2. The rest of the people are usually specialists or warrant officers. -
even if u do not respect the person wearing the rank, the rank has itself has to be accorded the due respects. tt is the cornerstone of all militaries.
but of course rank is dead while the person is alive, and men will follow a person to war willingly if he is able to win their respect regardless of his rank. tt is how some specialists or even men have been able to perform in dire circumstances in military history. -
When it comes to respect, my money is on those who lead by example and care for their men.
As for warrant officers, i really admire those 'old salt' enchiks who came up from the then SAF education center in the 70s & 80s. They were the pros..the real backbone, even officers look to them for advise. But sadly, that generation is slowly fading away -
Haiz
but still there's some 19 yrs old punk. Just a 2 LT and lecturing the CSM in front of the whole platoon. is this the respect specs and warrants should get? imagine the CSM nodding all the way silently even through its not entirely his fault? -
care to reveal some details which unit it happened in? btw some wo r really good...Originally posted by BaKa NeK0:Haiz but still there's some 19 yrs old punk. Just a 2 LT and lecturing the CSM in front of the whole platoon. is this the respect specs and warrants should get? imagine the CSM nodding all the way silently even through its not entirely his fault? -
i dun think we really need to noe the details of such acts.. nothing honourable and nice to talk about. end up disgracing the csm and the unit as well.Originally posted by Arena:care to reveal some details which unit it happened in? btw some wo r really good... -
junior officers scolding warrents, specs and CSMs.......sounded like my 2nd PC.....sucks man......
on the end, nobody treat him as a friend after ORD and all lost contact of him liao...... -
please be rest assured that such cases are the minority and the majority of the junior officers are humble and willing to learn and work with their csm and specs and men. anyway i always believe how a person behaves is really his character and the little power that becoming an officer (and a junior one at that) will do little to corrupt him.Originally posted by Silenthunter:junior officers scolding warrents, specs and CSMs.......sounded like my 2nd PC.....sucks man......
on the end, nobody treat him as a friend after ORD and all lost contact of him liao...... -
Actually such young know all's will soon know better than to cross a CSM. An experienced enchik worth his salt has subtle ways to make sure that life for such a person will not be a bed of roses...Often the enchik has the ears of the OC or someone higherOriginally posted by BaKa NeK0:Haiz but still there's some 19 yrs old punk. Just a 2 LT and lecturing the CSM in front of the whole platoon. is this the respect specs and warrants should get? imagine the CSM nodding all the way silently even through its not entirely his fault? -
An OC, who is worth his salt, will not engage in petty politics.Originally posted by IAF:Actually such young know all's will soon know better than to cross a CSM. An experienced enchik worth his salt has subtle ways to make sure that life for such a person will not be a bed of roses...Often the enchik has the ears of the OC or someone higher
A CSM, who is worth his salt, will respect the rank and the person who has the rank, despite the character of the person.
An Officer, who is worth his salt, will respect all whom he lead, and treat everyone in an even handed and fair manner.
To lead is to make a decision - any decision - to resolve a situation that demands a decision to be made.
If time permit, it is wiser to think before one leaps into a decision.
Experience is accumulated by the number of decisions one makes in Life - no decision will result in no experience.
The quality of the decision - good or bad - will contribute to Life learning experience, and will make or break the person in the process. -
Yeah! the CSM actually just apologize and walk away looking cool
He respect the officer by not arguing and actually that earn the respect of many men! -
I wonder, how many of you enlisted fellas and specialists actually salute (pay compliment) your PC?
According to SAF protocol, is our CSM supposed to pay compliment to our PC or not? I know CSM is supposed to call him "sir", but does he salute him when passing by?
I think we never salute or even chap our OC when walking past him.
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supposed to.Originally posted by Icemoon:I wonder, how many of you enlisted fellas and specialists actually salute (pay compliment) your PC?
According to SAF protocol, is our CSM supposed to pay compliment to our PC or not? I know CSM is supposed to call him "sir", but does he salute him when passing by?
I think we never salute or even chap our OC when walking past him. -
Originally posted by Icemoon:I wonder, how many of you enlisted fellas and specialists actually salute (pay compliment) your PC?
According to SAF protocol, is our CSM supposed to pay compliment to our PC or not? I know CSM is supposed to call him "sir", but does he salute him when passing by?
I think we never salute or even chap our OC when walking past him. 
friend friend lah. -
Normally officers will call the CSM encik and the warrants in return will call them sir, but in a friend friend manner. If they are closer, maybe just call the name as the officer might also feel paisei having an older guy, more than 2x his age, calling him sir.
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I know even officers are supposed to salute officers higher rank (or appointment) than them right?
So the pc should salute the 2IC (same age, batch as him) and his OC. But friend friend la, no need to salute. Hahah ..
Arrrgh, freaking hell, why can't the RSM salute our PCs? It's the best way to set good example. Just calling him sir makes him no different from a warrant officer. -
PC?Originally posted by Icemoon:I know even officers are supposed to salute officers higher rank (or appointment) than them right?
So the pc should salute the 2IC (same age, batch as him) and his OC. But friend friend la, no need to salute. Hahah ..
Arrrgh, freaking hell, why can't the RSM salute our PCs? It's the best way to set good example. Just calling him sir makes him no different from a warrant officer.
RSM is a higher appointment than PC leh.
For example, if the CO doesn't want to have the GP Car for personal use, the next person entitled to it is the RSM, not the PC, OC, 2IC.
Within officers, even if you 2 are the same rank, but one holds an appointment like, S3, the one who isn't S3 will call the S3, Sir.
But in the end, so what if you salute ppl, IF you don't respect him at all? Its all actually respecting the person. -
rsm still calls pc sir. saluting.. dun think so.Originally posted by kopiosatu:PC?
RSM is a higher appointment than PC leh.
But in the end, so what if you salute ppl, IF you don't respect him at all? Its all actually respecting the person.
and in the end, still need to respect the rank even if u dun respect the person. tts wat the military is all about. -
yah lah, but what i'm saying is that, we still go through the motionOriginally posted by wuming78:rsm still calls pc sir. saluting.. dun think so.
and in the end, still need to respect the rank even if u dun respect the person. tts wat the military is all about. -
doesn't SAF have any place where you could lodge complaints of abuse of power?
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have...Originally posted by nismoS132:doesn't SAF have any place where you could lodge complaints of abuse of power?
the SAF hotline..
they take all cases seriously -
Just because the RSM has the use of the CO's car, when the CO is not using it, does not mean that the RSM is of higher rank than the OC, PC.
The RSM is the most senior of NON-COMMMISSIONED OFFICER (NCO), while the rank from 2LT upwards are all COMMISSIONED Officers.
After the Battalion CO, the next person in seniority rank, is the Battalion 2 I/C, then S-1, S2, S3 and the next higher authority to take over command, when Battalion HQ is wiped out, will be the most senior Company OC.
In the SAF, it is NOT uncommon for the RSM or CSM to be older in age than a junior officer of 2LT rank, or even a younger LT or CPT, or even a Major or Major General.
The experience of the RSM and CSM is limited only to his scope and area of responsibilities, and perhaps his knowledge in how to get things done in the SAF.
It is the job of the RSM and CSM (and all other NCOs) to give support to the Officers - in managing the SAF, and getting the job done. There should be no rivalries between the Commissioned Officer Rank and the NON-Commissioned Officer Rank.
Let us not imagine that such rivalries exist, and even if there is such a rivalry, it is due to the immaturity of the parties concerned. -
Wait wait, normally S3 rank is highest among the staff officers lah, followed by S2, then S1 and finally S4.
In NSF unit, RSM confirmed older than 2LT one. -
I don't respect ranks; I only respect character of the person.