Creative ideas on stoping terrorism.
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Oh yeah baby.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:It's time to call in Rainbow Six....
Time to recruit all the forumites with Counter Strike experience in forum to form our very CT team and protect forum from attack liao. 
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if terrorist bomb my family... i will simply round up their family and lit the fuse as payback.
worst... i will show them the horrors of terrorism by bringing terrorism into the very homes of terrorist advocates, supporters and sympathizers...
i personally felt that all nations have a right to defend its citizens by watever means at its disposal...
i also felt that USA was unfair in dealing with terrorist, when USA was hit by 911, they use their full military might to hunt down those terrorist.. yet at the same time they tied up the isrealis hand when isreal is being hit by countless suicide bombers...
had USA let isreal do wat it sees fit... terrorism would probably have not visited USA in 911. -
You got to be kidding ?Originally posted by tripwire:if terrorist bomb my family... i will simply round up their family and lit the fuse as payback.
worst... i will show them the horrors of terrorism by bringing terrorism into the very homes of terrorist advocates, supporters and sympathizers...
i personally felt that all nations have a right to defend its citizens by watever means at its disposal...
i also felt that USA was unfair in dealing with terrorist, when USA was hit by 911, they use their full military might to hunt down those terrorist.. yet at the same time they tied up the isrealis hand when isreal is being hit by countless suicide bombers...
had USA let isreal do wat it sees fit... terrorism would probably have not visited USA in 911.
Israel has a population that is about 2% of the US population. Its Military is similar to our SAF being manned by NSF men and women.
Can Israel have the financial and material resources to fight terrorist everywhere and anywhere ?
As it is, the Israeli budget is being supported by USA - to the tune of over US$5 Billion annually to prop up the Israeli economy and military.
Allowing Israel to go after terrorist everywhere and anywhere is political suicide for the World, as it will allow WW-3 to begin.
Israel has been targetting the family of every suicide bomber, by blowing up their homes, and this practise has been going on for more then 10 years.
Has it stop the determination of other suicide bombers, who see it an honor to stop further Israeli aggression towards the homeland of these "terrorists" ?
The only way to stop terrorism is for USA to deal firmly with Israeli belligerence on an equal basis as USA is dealing firmly with the Palestinian terrorism.
As matters stand, just as Israeli and the Palestinian Government have both accepted the US "Road Map towards Peace", the Israeli Government has been building their own version of the "Great Wall of China" that serves as a security wall to prevent future terrorists from easily entering Israel.
This Israeli Wall is being built NOT along the UN recognised "Green Line" separating the two communities, but Israel has purposefully built the Wall by grabbing land from the Palestinian families - destroying the livelihood of many Palestinians who own Olive farms on this land.
In a BBC documentary that was aired two weeks ago, it visited the disputed land on which the Israeli Wall is being built, and even filmed Israeli contractors stealing whole olive trees, by using trucks with cranes lifting the entire tree onto the truck and driving it back into Israel. All this was done under Israeli Military Protection.
This is Jewish thievery with Jewish State protection - they not only steal land from the Arabs, and destroy the Arab farms, but take away the Arab plants.
This is typical arrogance of Israel that is fueling the hatred from the weaker Arab communities towards these greedy Jews, and does not help in the eradication of terrorists.
Terrorism in the Middle-East was started by the early Jewish Settlers - (in their fight against the British Colonial Government) - for the right to allow more Jews to return to this land and create the State of Israel.
Israeli is not innocent in the use of terrorism against authority, as it introduced such terrorist methods into the psychic of the Middle-eastern minds. -
think u miss my point...
i am not asking isreal to go globe trotting to hunt down terrorist..
but only those of palaestnian origin...
secondly... i think blowing up terrorist house is stupid and weak... they should seriously consider executing terrorist's family and drop a few bombs as payback...
the best would be a quota system... for every isrealis died in terrorist attack... a 20 fold price would be exacted from terrorist sympathizers, supporters, leaders, groups and backers... lets see if there are enough palestianians to go around....
war is abhored because of the death and destruction wrought from its fire... terrorist must realise that death and destruction would visit their house as well and its not simply a case of i can wack u and u cant wack my family... because they are hiding behind terrorist state or innocents.
the world must see terrorism as a mode of war.. thus he who wage war through terrorism MUST forfeit the security and safety of his house as well...
isreal may not be a saint, neither is america or singapore for that matter... but they are thus far been very very tolerant to errant islamic fundamentalist who think so little of GOD...
with their cry for holy war... they implied that GOD has created humans deserving of not being created in the first place ( Their GOD must be one blur donkey or low IQ)
with their cry for holy war.. they deemed their GOD either too weak, too uncareing of the mulsim plight or simply negligent... that mere human beings have to take up the burden of GOD and right the wrongs that was done right underneath GOD's very nose...
those muslims think that they are so pious... they decided that its time that they took over GOD's job and sit in GOD's throne... wow.... long live the idiotic martyers.... -
By my understanding of your approach in dealing with terrorism, it will mean - "For one of my eye I will take two of yours, and more ( ? ) ".
Will it ever solve the problem or problems that certain groups of people are prepared to use acts of terrrorism to resolve their perceived aggrieved position ?
For every terrorists killed, a martyr is created, and more like minded persons are willing to step into the shoes.
What do you propose to do next ?
Kill more for every terrorist and their supporters that dare to act in your land ?
Your solution may as well go for full ethnic cleansing, and wipe out the entire Arab race living in an area known by all as Palestine, since a large majority of them are sympathetic to the cause of the terrorists.
You will need to go for this full ethnic cleansing as a very large majority in the Palestinian Arab community feel justified in using such self-sacrificing violence to hurt the Israeli Jewish Community.
This is the only way for a desparately frustrated Palestinian Arab community to retaliate against the military might of the Jewish State.
The Palestinian Arab are no match against the military might of the Jewish State, nor against the Jewish State intellectual brilliance in cultivating international support for their arrogant self-righteous acts of grabbing land away from the Palestinian Arab Community.
The Jewish State is squeezing on the conscience of the World Community - (for the Nazi destruction to their Community during WW-2) - and is manipulating France, Germany, UK and USA from acting against the interest of the Jewish State.
Resolve the Land Rights of the Palestinian Arabs, and provide an International Guarantee to the borders separating Israel and the proposed Palestinian State, and allow a workable border arrangement to exist so as to guarantee each other's economic and political independence, then one of the main cause for terrorism will be resolved. -
by your opinion.. there would seems that there are no way to stop terrorism except to give in to them...
if we ask isreal to give in to terrorism... what is there to prevent those bastards from resorting to terrorism again and again to achieve their every tiny demand??
the world needs to stand firm against terrorism... if not.. all sides of a conflict would start to resort to terrorism to achieve their respective objectives... then there will never be peace nor security in the future.
IT is unfortunate that drastic measures have to be taken to discourage terrorism.. since appeasement would led to endless list of demands....
the formation of a palestinian state is not going to make terrorism disappear as many terrorist organizations are currently being sponsored and protected by legitimate state outside palestine, thus as long as their masters pay... there will be among them foxes and wolfs who would seek out the foolish and the mundane to carry bombs on their bellies....
states like syria and iran are using terrorist organizations to further their national agenda... and they knew that short of an all out war against them.. they can continue to fund such organizations to destabilise, terrorise and devastate their neighbours...with impunity.
thus my position is quite simple... the only way to deter terrorism to bring the horrors and sufferings of terrorist right into the homes of terrorist...
only when both sides realised the pain and sufferings, would people on both side of the divide seeks to limit such agony.
just as through the horrors of war... did man realise the value of peace... terrorist must be forced to face the pain and consequence of their actions to wake up their fu cking idea about being martyer.
as such... though it is unfortunate... but examples must be made to show future terrorist.. that ... if they engage in terrorist activity.. they automatically forfeit their familes security, safety and lifes as well.... so as to let them know that their acts of martyerdom is paid for with the bloods of not only the innocents but their family love ones as well....
perhaps then ... they would realise... the price of martydom is far higher then he is willing to pay... his live may be worthless to him... but to put his entire family on the firing line... now that is a very different price to pay.... -
Where do most of the world's terrorists come from, and what is the main cause for which they claim their fight is for ?
From amongst the long list of terrorist organisations, we will find that the majority spring up from the Islamic Fundamentalist Groups, with all of them claiming to fight for the rights and correct the injustices done to the Palestinian Arabs.
These Islamic Fundamentalist Groups are amongst the world's most aggressive terrorist group that are willing to bring their cause onto the World stage; so as to draw worldwide attention to the long sufferings and injustice done towards the Palestinian Arabs over the last fifty years since the founding of the State of Israel.
In order for this justification to be removed, the World should ensure that the present injustice done to the Palestinian Arab community should be corrected, by clamming down on the arrogance and belligerence of the Jewish Right Wing Hawks in Israel..
The State of Israel should also be given assurance by the World Community that their right to a secure border is guaranteed.
This condition is part of the current US proposed Road Map to Peace in the Middle-east; with most of its content developed by the Arab Countries over the last twenty years for the USA to adopt.
It is unfortunate that the Jewish Influence in the US Congress has prevented this from happening during the last twenty years and more, as these Jewish influenced US Congressmen have the same idea as yourself - that by doing so, will mean appeasement to the terrorists.
It is fortunate that good sense has finally fallen on the current US President, and also to the hawkish PM Sharon of Israel - who had the courage of a great General - to recognised that the decades of Israeli military domination and control on Palestinian land is OCCUPATION of foreign soil, and it is futile to continue with this cycle of strike and counter-strike to ensure a secure environment.
At least, Sharon had the moral courage to recognised this and had honestly admitted to the errors of the Israeli Right Wing Policies of Aggressive Settlements on Palestinian soil - (and this came as a shock to the Israeli Right Wing Community ) .
Many young and radical Muslim activists - from Algeria, Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and other Islamic Countries - are willing to take up the cause to correct the injustices done to the Palestinians, and believed that their cause is pure, as anyone who sees the Jewish aggression towards the Palestinians to be wrong and disgusting.
In following your solution, you are willing to accept the methods of the terrorists by sowing the seeds of rampant destruction, violence, pain, suffering, and death in the community from which these terrorists come from.
With so many of these "terrorists" coming from so many of these countries with a Muslim majority population, will you risk WW-3 to wipe out these "terrorists" ?
As matter stand, even PM Mahatir of Malaysia had the paranoid view of a clash of civilization being real - judging by the aggressive attitude of the US towards the various targetted Muslim States, and he feel that the Muslim World is now at seige by the USA.
Will you contribute further to such a grand misunderstanding ?
Where does the cycle of violence end with such an approach ?
It will require a joint effort from the World Community, and the leadership of the US, to put pressure on the wealthy and moderate Arab Countries to work with the entire World Community to remove the present causes that create this community of Islamic Terrorists.
The additional solution - besides resolving the Israeli-Palestinian issue - is the eradication of poverty and poor government system in most of these Islamic Countries.
The present Road Map to Peace - as proposed by USA - is seeing to it that this will happen, and this can only happen with the intellectual guidance of great minds in the US Government that include the likes of Condeleeza Rice, Colin Powell, and other moderates working behind the scene supporting the major politcal players in the White House.
The Hawks had their day, and their policies have won the War but the Peace maybe lost.
Let us allow the Moderates to have their time now and let them work to win the Peace. -
while the terrorist continue to chalk up their kill score... its just a matter of time.. before the world would realise... the best way to deal with fire... is with fire....Originally posted by Atobe:Where do most of the world's terrorists come from, and what is the main cause for which they claim their fight is for ?
From amongst the long list of terrorist organisations, we will find that the majority spring up from the Islamic Fundamentalist Groups, with all of them claiming to fight for the rights and correct the injustices done to the Palestinian Arabs.
These Islamic Fundamentalist Groups are amongst the world's most aggressive terrorist group that are willing to bring their cause onto the World stage; so as to draw worldwide attention to the long sufferings and injustice done towards the Palestinian Arabs over the last fifty years since the founding of the State of Israel.
>>> that's pure bullshit... palestinians have been pushed, shoved, dispised and even killed en-mass by other arab states... at least isreal offered them a place in their parliament and allowed them to work and make a living in isreal, which no other arab states permits.
>>> the real devil behind all these hatred are stereotyping, brainwashing, propaganda, poverty, politics, mis-information, islamic fundamentalism and fear generated by factions and groups with ulterior motives paid by foreign powers with aims far off from the relieve of the palestinian plight.
In order for this justification to be removed, the World should ensure that the present injustice done to the Palestinian Arab community should be corrected, by clamming down on the arrogance and belligerence of the Jewish Right Wing Hawks in Israel..
>>>> dont give me that crap... most terrorist organization dont give a damn about palestinian plight... all they ever wanted are the REMOVAL of the state of isreal through bloodshed.
>>>> many of these organizations like the hamas are funded and controlled by iran and syria who have not the slightess desire to see to the well being of the palestinians... all they want is a diversion, to divert their own countrymen's attention from their own problems... so that their fat ass can continue to droop over their cracking leadership chair.
<>>> and as long as their master pays well... those organizations will continue to do their masters' bidding like mercenaries... in a land of poverty and starvation... it pays to bury your religious belief, heart and consciousness to get your next meal...
The State of Israel should also be given assurance by the World Community that their right to a secure border is guaranteed.
>>>> its easier said than done... if the arabs should raise another 1 million troops against isreal... are you gonna ask SAF to send our men over there??? and risk becoming the enemies of the entire OIC?
This condition is part of the current US proposed Road Map to Peace in the Middle-east; with most of its content developed by the Arab Countries over the last twenty years for the USA to adopt.
>>>> USA dont give a damn about arab, palestine or isrealis... they only want to ensure that during their reign as the sole superpower... people would continue to rely, bow and look to them for leadership and approvals...
It is unfortunate that the Jewish Influence in the US Congress has prevented this from happening during the last twenty years and more, as these Jewish influenced US Congressmen have the same idea as yourself - that by doing so, will mean appeasement to the terrorists.
>>>> at least they are realistic... those terrorist organizations wont disappear overnight no matter wat happens... because there are ENDLESS list of injustice to be righted... like burning USA, the satan of arab world to the ground...
It is fortunate that good sense has finally fallen on the current US President, and also to the hawkish PM Sharon of Israel - who had the courage of a great General - to recognised that the decades of Israeli military domination and control on Palestinian land is OCCUPATION of foreign soil, and it is futile to continue with this cycle of strike and counter-strike to ensure a secure environment.
>>>> it aint the first time the isrealis have offered the olive branch of peace... but like so many before him... it will fail...
At least, Sharon had the moral courage to recognised this and had honestly admitted to the errors of the Israeli Right Wing Policies of Aggressive Settlements on Palestinian soil - (and this came as a shock to the Israeli Right Wing Community ) .
>>>> he got pressured into it,... the USA was breathing down his neck.... leaders cannot do everything they like, they dont have a free hand... there are too many factors and consequence to worry.
Many young and radical Muslim activists - from Algeria, Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and other Islamic Countries - are willing to take up the cause to correct the injustices done to the Palestinians, and believed that their cause is pure, as anyone who sees the Jewish aggression towards the Palestinians to be wrong and disgusting.
>>>> dont give me that crap... its all propaganda, brainwashing and misinformation... seriously... how many of those idiots you noted really knew what happens in isreal, historically and in reality?
In following your solution, you are willing to accept the methods of the terrorists by sowing the seeds of rampant destruction, violence, pain, suffering, and death in the community from which these terrorists come from.
>>>> terrorist who brings death, pain and destruction to others must not go unpunished... thus as deterent... just as in war... they must realise that their actions would lead to the forfeitment of their families security and safety...
With so many of these "terrorists" coming from so many of these countries with a Muslim majority population, will you risk WW-3 to wipe out these "terrorists" ?
<>>> if that is so... it must be so...
As matter stand, even PM Mahatir of Malaysia had the paranoid view of a clash of civilization being real - judging by the aggressive attitude of the US towards the various targetted Muslim States, and he feel that the Muslim World is now at seige by the USA.
>>>> mahatir is a loose cannon.. not worth mentioning... let the old dog die...
Will you contribute further to such a grand misunderstanding ?
Where does the cycle of violence end with such an approach ?
>>>> when does one stop playing with fire??? when one realise that fire inflict pain and suffering..... thus as in war... terrorist must feel the pain of loosing their family for them to realise the true cost of their actions.. to others as well as to themselves.
It will require a joint effort from the World Community, and the leadership of the US, to put pressure on the wealthy and moderate Arab Countries to work with the entire World Community to remove the present causes that create this community of Islamic Terrorists.
>>>> that i am afraid is not gonna happend... simply because... there are states that benefits from such terrorist activities...
The additional solution - besides resolving the Israeli-Palestinian issue - is the eradication of poverty and poor government system in most of these Islamic Countries.
>>>> you wait long long,....
The present Road Map to Peace - as proposed by USA - is seeing to it that this will happen, and this can only happen with the intellectual guidance of great minds in the US Government that include the likes of Condeleeza Rice, Colin Powell, and other moderates working behind the scene supporting the major politcal players in the White House.
>>>> dont hold your breath.... hahahaa....
The Hawks had their day, and their policies have won the War but the Peace maybe lost.
>>>> the jury is still out on this... so ... dont judge so soon,,,
Let us allow the Moderates to have their time now and let them work to win the Peace. -
I wonder what will happen if the Right Wingers face off with the Fundamentalists.
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rear more pigs
since most of the terrorist are from muslim countries, they're scared of pigs for sure.
get a cargo plane filled with big fat piggies, and drop them from the sky, their fats/oil will destroy all the terrorist!!!!! -
Human Creativity knows no bounds - whether it is for the "Bright" or for the "Dark" sides.
There are labels of "Right Wingers", "Fundamentalists", "Nationalists", "Freedom Fighters", and other justifiable labels that each side believe their cause to be righteous.
At the end of the day, these are all "War Mongers", who believe that violence and pain will solve all problems.
They believe in the game of death and pain, and upping the " ante " at each cycle of violence, to see which side will break first.
Looking at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the use of violence to resolve their present conflict over their right to the Land, will there be no end and no limit to the price of Human Lives to be paid ?
Palestinian militants drop threat to truce
Sunday, August 3, 2003 Posted: 1618 GMT (12:18 AM HKT)
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/08/03/mideast.arafat/index.html
This brilliant news came despite the killing of a Palestinian Official in a car bomb on August 2, 2003.
Car bomb kills Hezbollah official
Saturday, August 2, 2003 Posted: 1442 GMT (10:42 PM HKT)
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/08/02/lebanon.blast.ap/index.html
Despite the mutually accepted US sponsored "Road Map to Peace", the Israeli military continued with its raids into Palestinian Areas in search of Palestinian "Militants" - "Fundamentalists" - "Nationalists" - "Terrorists":
Violence Erupts in West Bank, Imperils Truce
ANALYSIS: VIOLENCE IN THE WEST BANK AND ALONG THE ISRAEL-LEBANON BORDER
All Things Considered: August 8, 2003
[/color]http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/transcripts/2003/aug/030808.kenyon.html
Hells gate was opened on August 10, 2003 when the Hezbollah (in Lebanon) fired anti-aircraft artillery shells into a Jewish Settlement, as a revenge action for the killing of one of their leaders on August 2, 2003.
Israel strikes back after boy dies in shelling
10/08/2003 - 7:02:56 pm
http://www.breakingnews.ie/2003/08/10/story109228.html
Over the next four days, the Israeli air force conducted continuous bombing raids on Hezbollah positions in Lebanon, and continued with its raids into the West Bank and Gaza Strip that are supposedly the responsibility of the Palestinian Authorities.
BUS BOMBING IN JERUSALEM KILLS AT LEAST 18, INJURES MORE THAN 100
August 19, 2003
MELISSA BLOCK, host
http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/transcripts/2003/aug/030819.kenyon.html
So the Israelis hit back at the Palestinians by killing one of the Palestinian Hezbollah Leaders again:
Palestinian militants declare end to cease-fire
Toughest challenge yet to peace road map
Thursday, August 21, 2003 Posted: 10:21 PM EDT (0221 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/08/21/mideast/index.html
And the cycle of carnage continues:
DEVELOPMENTS IN GAZA FOLLOWING BUS BOMBING AND ISRAELI ASSASSINATION OF HAMAS LEADER
Palestinians Mourn Hamas Figure, Vow Revenge
Morning Edition: August 22, 2003
STEVE INSKEEP, host:
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2003/aug/030822.kenyon.html
When will the war mongers wake up to realise that peace can be more tangible - than the methods of war - to heal wounded pride and lost lives ?
Hatred can only lead to more hatred.
Violence will only lead to further violence on a never ending scale of intensity.
Is "Armageddon" the only final solution ?
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so is who is worse? jewish extremist or muslim extremist?