Ex Flying FIsh: HMS Sea Harrier vs RMAF Mig-29
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http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/content.php3?page=5298
Sea Harriers Go East
FLYING FISH was a 3-week exercise. Ten Australian F18Ds, seven Malaysian MiG 29s, eight Hawk 108s and 208s, four Royal Malaysian Air Force F18As, five RN Sea Harriers and a number of aircraft from the Singaporean Air Force took part. Each RN pilot faced the MiG 29 in combat and found the Sea Harrier to be a good match for the MiG. Thanks to the Blue Vixen radar the Sea Harrier won every time in beyond visual range engagements and also scored some notable successes when converting to the visual fighting arena.-31-07-2003%5Dfish1.jpg)
During a 4-day break from the exercise, some squadron members travelled to Kuala Lumpur, the capital, to see the sights and some went south to Singapore. But, most were quite happy with the local beaches, restaurants and bars. The food was generally delicious and cheap and, thankfully there were few upset stomachs.-31-07-2003%5Dfish2.jpg)
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This jump jet has never cease to amaze me. The fact that RSAF never considered the harrier never cease to amaze me even more!
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x2Originally posted by IAF:fact that RSAF never considered the harrier never cease to amaze me even more! -
wah the harrier won a MiG29?!?!?!?OMG the Harrier has less then half the thrust of the MiG and yet it won?!?! amazing!!
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same thinking......Originally posted by |-|05|:wah the harrier won a MiG29?!?!?!?OMG the Harrier has less then half the thrust of the MiG and yet it won?!?! amazing!!
really amazing!!!!
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i think the article mix up between RMAF F/A-18Ds and RAAF F/A-18As.....kinda swoop.....
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I thought it's classified to reveal such things in the public domain. Should be sensitive info right? Wonder how the rsaf fared?
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not really classified info.....the actual engagment performance is then classifiedOriginally posted by IAF:I thought it's classified to reveal such things in the public domain. Should be sensitive info right? Wonder how the rsaf fared? 
....wad is written in the article is for public domain to read...so no worry -
the malaysians will never believe that their precious fulcrum got trashed by a plane designed and built more then 20 years ago...
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As to why the Harrier can beat the Mig 29???? Maybe it is the "software" rather then the "hardware" differences that determine the outcome.
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Not surprised, BVR aside, in a dogfight, the Harrier proves to be an extremely capable infighter with excellent handling at low speeds, plus the ability to Vector In Forward Flight.
The surprisingly favourable kill ratio of the Harrier versus high preformance air superiority fighters has been noted before. In a series of agressor dogfights pitting Navy Tomcats versus Marine Harriers, the Harriers won 23 of the 25 engagements.
Now with advanced BVR capability, the Harrier is a very potent anti air platform as well.
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Originally posted by IAF:
Sure a not? Maybe they were refering to malaysian food...
...and some went south to Singapore. But, most were quite happy with the local beaches, restaurants and bars. The food was generally delicious and [b]cheap and, thankfully there were few upset stomachs.
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How come they give the breakdown of Aircraft for all the participants except S'pore.Originally posted by IAF:I thought it's classified to reveal such things in the public domain. Should be sensitive info right? Wonder how the rsaf fared?
They only said "a number" of S'pore aircraft took part, no details as to the type and number of aircraft.
The Hawks 100 and 200 should be RMAF a/c.
And I thought Flying Fish is a naval exercise. The air component of the FPDA is the "ADEX something".
Notice that the RNZAF is missing after they scrapped their last A4s. -
FPDA Exercises codenames:Originally posted by spencer99:And I thought Flying Fish is a naval exercise. The air component of the FPDA is the "ADEX something".
ADEX - Air Defence Exercise
Starfish - Naval Exercise with small air component (threat simulation?)
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BVR i guess only after the upgraded the harriers.Not sure what they can can carry now but the British FSR-2(i think) can only use Sparrows last timeOriginally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Not surprised, BVR aside, in a dogfight, the Harrier proves to be an extremely capable infighter with excellent handling at low speeds, plus the ability to Vector In Forward Flight.
The surprisingly favourable kill ratio of the Harrier versus high preformance air superiority fighters has been noted before. In a series of agressor dogfights pitting Navy Tomcats versus Marine Harriers, the Harriers won 23 of the 25 engagements.
Now with advanced BVR capability, the Harrier is a very potent anti air platform as well.
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hey IAF , can u give a usable link to the web to the news??
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Upgraded Sea Harrier should be able to carry a pair of Amraams under the fuselage.Originally posted by |-|05|:BVR i guess only after the upgraded the harriers.Not sure what they can can carry now but the British FSR-2(i think) can only use Sparrows last time
See:
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/fa2/index.html
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/content.php3?page=172-05-03-2002%5D28amraam.jpg)
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Sorry sorry...here it isOriginally posted by foxtrout8:hey IAF , can u give a usable link to the web to the news??
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/content.php3?page=5298
Btw, the faulty link was
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/sta tic/pages/content.php3?page=5298
If you paste the url, make sure no gaps
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Aiyah! Happen again!
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If reading at the article carefully, I believe it should be sounded win some and lose some....Originally posted by |-|05|:wah the harrier won a MiG29?!?!?!?OMG the Harrier has less then half the thrust of the MiG and yet it won?!?! amazing!!
really amazing!!!!
Besides, personnally I think the Brits do consider the MIG-29 as a potent aircraft as they only focussed on the MIG-29. What happen to the rest, where were the Aussies and Sing.....?
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Our planes were most prob ELINT,AWACS or Marinetime PatorlOriginally posted by Civet:If reading at the article carefully, I believe it should be sounded win some and lose some....
Besides, personnally I think the Brits do consider the MIG-29 as a potent aircraft as they only focussed on the MIG-29. What happen to the rest, where were the Aussies and Sing.....? -
where got win some... loose some??? the brits literary declared totally victory against the fulcrum EVERYTIME in BVR!!
as for the emphasis on the brits over the fulcrum is highly understandable...
afterall... being in the NATO... they probably got the chance to fight every plane in NATO arsenal.. the fulcrum in this case is a rare opportunity...
secondly... they WON BIG TIME against the fulcrum... they probably cant brag the same when fighting the RAAF hornets...
lastly... it wasnt that long ago when the RMAF were themselves bragging about how they manage to score against the hornets... understandably... that automatically puts them on the challenge list of the harrier...
looking back... i was wondering if the RMAF might have cheated... though i must say... it isnt fair for me to claim as such... but... i wonder if the RAAF hornets were "armed" with AMRAAM during their previous fight against RMAF that supposedly "armed" with AMRAAMSKI??
i mean... IF the RAAF were only equipped with sparrow and sidewinder... or probably with no BVR AAMs... i doubt they had a chance against those fulcrums who were simulating with AMRAAMSKI... right? -
Originally posted by IAF:
The Aussies had already upgraded their Hornets to Amraam capable and also Asraam.
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/content.php3?page=5298
Sea Harriers Go East
....faced the MiG 29 in combat and found the Sea Harrier to be a good match for the MiG. Thanks to the Blue Vixen radar the Sea Harrier won every time in beyond visual range engagements and also scored [b]some notable successes when converting to the visual fighting arena.
Hi Tripwire
No doubt, bvr won by the Brits- fair enough but some notable successes in visual combat ....does this mean some losses in visual combat..unless there's a draw... , nothing mentioned about the "other side" of the story.
[quote]i mean... IF the RAAF were only equipped with sparrow and sidewinder... or probably with no BVR AAMs... i doubt they had a chance against those fulcrums who were simulating with AMRAAMSKI... right?
Btw any proven track record (real combat) by the Soviets using BVR engagement ?, I hardly heard of any but most of the time in simulation, how well the missiles perform still a doubt to me. In paper theoratically, it sounded overwhelmingly great, but practically...well unless proven.
stand to be corrected.