Is China about to invade North Korea?
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China deploys 150,000 troops on N.Korean border: report
HONG KONG - China has deployed up to 150,000 troops on its border with North Korea to deter Pyongyang's nuclear build-up and to stifle mounting violence from rogue North Korean soldiers, according to a report here on Sunday.
Hong Kong's Sunday Morning Post newspaper cited an unidentified security source in China as saying five divisions of Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) troops had been deployed in Yanbian Korean Autonomous Prefecture, bordering North Korea, since last month.
Large troop movements and new military barracks have also been seen in the border towns of Hanchun, Tumen, Kaishan, Sanhe and Baijing, while air force jets have frequently been seen flying over the capital Yanji, some 40 km from the border, the report said.
The source said troops were also in the area to help stem the flow of North Korean refugees fleeing to China to escape a long famine and recession in the hermitic state.
China's foreign ministry last week refused to confirm or deny the deployment of PLA troops to the area.
'I have not heard any information on the deployment of troops along the border with the DPRK (North Korea) by China as you mentioned,' ministry spokesman Kong Quan told a routine briefing on Tuesday.
Hong Kong's Chinese-language Sing Tao Daily has earlier reported that three PLA units - each with 50,000 troops and including armoured divisions - had been deployed along China's 1,400-km border with North Korea.
The newspaper quoted a Chinese foreign ministry source as saying that the move had been aimed at deterring North Korea from continuing its nuclear build-up and to pressure Pyongyang into holding talks on the nuclear crisis with the United States.
Top negotiators from the US, North Korea, South Korea, Japan, China and Russia met in Beijing in late August to discuss the 11-month crisis over Pyongyang's suspected nuclear weapons programmes. The meeting made little headway, but more talks are expected. -- AFP -
gulp!
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tt is highly unlikely reali..
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For China to be a responsible Asian State - that is befitting its status as a Nuclear and Economic Power - she will need to ensure that the 'Student' at its door step does not upset the 'economic apple cart'.
North Korea is a 'wild and unpredictable' political equation that can easily bring chaos and instability to East Asia, as well as to the economies of South-east Asia.
China will have to disarm North Korea and prevent the unstable North Korean leadership from successfully developing and keeping any nuclear device that can be launched from a wide range of successful and effective North Korean rocket technology.
If North Korea gain sufficient quantity of nuclear devices, it can easily turn against China, and may not heed any further instructions from China.
With a nuclear arsenal, North Korea can easily blackmail or even extort China for further economic assistance without even threatening to use the nuclear arsenal to directly attack China.
Since China is having Islamic seccessionist groups along its western borders, it is exposed to the threats from nuclear devices reaching these Islamic seccessionist groups supported by Islamic States - such as Iran, Libya, Syria, and other Middle-eastern Islamic States with similar inclinations to support Islamic Freedom Fighters.
North Korea can easily help these Islamic states to develop a Islamic Nuclear Bomb, who in turn will transfer such devices to Islamic Freedom Fighting Groups supported by these States.
Many of these Middle-eastern Islamic States are already clients of North Korean Arms Manufacturers. -
Forgive me if it sound stupid but in a Pro-China board that i have visited. There is a topic like this "What happen if China invade North Korea?" Some rather extreme poster said that if China really invade North Korea. North Korea should be part of China. May be a North Korea SAR. Like HongKong and Tibet.
Well but the possibility of this happening is very low. -
If China does invade and remove the DPRK regime and pledge to stop at the 38th Parallel, it would be an extremely wise move on its part. The position of "forward deploying" US troops on the Korean Peninsula and Japan would be untenable, with the removal of the last main remaining threat faced by these 2 US allies. At the same time, if done correctly, it would enhance China's reputation as a responsible member of the Asian, and world community.Originally posted by want to know:Forgive me if it sound stupid but in a Pro-China board that i have visited. There is a topic like this "What happen if China invade North Korea?" Some rather extreme poster said that if China really invade North Korea. North Korea should be part of China. May be a North Korea SAR. Like HongKong and Tibet.
Well but the possibility of this happening is very low.
Such a move is not without its risks however, the PLA is no American military, and all it takes is a few botched operations or incidents against North Korean citizens and the whole thing can quickly turn sour.
Of course, China would have to go through the proper channels to get this move sanctioned, and not go barging like a bull in a China (no pun intended) shop into the DPRK, like how the chief idiot Bush and his idiot cronies went barging into Iraq only to find more than he bargained for. -
i hope the fat pig gets heart disease soon.
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which fat pig?
i don't like either of the lea-duhs of the 2 countries.. should just put them in a steel cage and let them settle it that wayOriginally posted by MooKu:i hope the fat pig gets heart disease soon. -
the fat pig in the north..Originally posted by the Bear:which fat pig?
i don't like either of the lea-duhs of the 2 countries.. should just put them in a steel cage and let them settle it that way
not quite sure about china.. haven't been keeping up with the news...
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Better the devil you know (China) than the devil you don't. Also the fact that the devil we know in this case has more to lose than the devil we don't...Originally posted by the Bear:i don't like either of the lea-duhs of the 2 countries
Don't you realise, thats been our lea-duh-ship's policy with the lea-duhs from up north too, and vice versa? Thats what it boils down to on both sides, despite the bluster and propaganda otherwise.... -
Military action against DPRK is gonna be VERY risky. If they indeed have WMD, (unlike Iraq, who didn't actually have operational ones), what is stopping this regime from using it? Whether against China or the South, or even Japan?
If it indeed boils down to a forced disarmament and, my favorite word, regime change, I hope the US has their THAAD systems ready. Cos, the moment any military action kicks off, the gloves are off for DPRK.
However, I doubt that China intends to invade with 150,000 troops. China doesn't have the best equipped army in the world, and their 150,000 is not enough to conduct any offensive action. Given the relatively small number, I would guess the purpose to be border security and "wayang" only. -
Actually other then pressure those troops are going to be needed when China wants to apply more diplomatic pressure by simply cutting off aid to North Korea.Current North Korea is getting some 40% of it's food from China and alot of it's other needs like oil and power are also from China.
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to take out DPRK... i think PLA is gonna need some serious help from ROK, USA as well as Russia...
its not gonna be a walk in the park for sure... aint easy to take down a country with over a million troops...
a UN sanctioned, joint military operation would be more desirable as it helps to allay the fear of ROK as well as japan and USA than one where PLA goes alone...
china could offer ROK a chance to reunify korea...
china could also offer USA and JAPAN a chance to remove a direct nuclear threat at all their mutal doorstep... -
You are right. DPRK ain't Iraq. Knowing the nutcase running DPRK, he's a guy on a fast runaway train...Such a development can only make him more paranoid and up the ante, if only to keep potential internal foes busy and occupied.Originally posted by Shotgun:Military action against DPRK is gonna be VERY risky. If they indeed have WMD, (unlike Iraq, who didn't actually have operational ones), what is stopping this regime from using it? Whether against China or the South, or even Japan?
If it indeed boils down to a forced disarmament and, my favorite word, regime change, I hope the US has their THAAD systems ready. Cos, the moment any military action kicks off, the gloves are off for DPRK.
However, I doubt that China intends to invade with 150,000 troops. China doesn't have the best equipped army in the world, and their 150,000 is not enough to conduct any offensive action. Given the relatively small number, I would guess the purpose to be border security and "wayang" only.
China would need like at least half a million, given its backwardness to do like what it did to Vietnam in 1979...even that at a great cost. Perhaps it should take a leaf out of Sunzi and try to defeat the regime without firing a shot...like stirring an internal revolt -
Japan warns that it will attack if North Korea aims missile
By David McNeill in Tokyo
15 September 2003
Japan's Defence Minister has stressed his country's right to strike North Korean missile sites if an attack is thought imminent.
In an exclusive interview, Shigeru Ishiba told The Independent: "The Japanese constitution permits my position. Attacking North Korea after a missile attack on Japan is too late. If North Korea orders its military to send a missile to attack Japan and the missile is raised to vertical in preparation for launch, then Japan will assume that an attack has begun and has the right to attack that particular missile launch site. What else can the missile be used for but to attack us?"
Intelligence officials estimate that North Korea has at least 100 Rodong ballistic missiles capable of striking Japan.
Mr Ishiba said: "The threat from North Korea, however, is not just aimed at Japan and the US, it's a problem for the whole world." He insisted his position was a defensive one. The tension was the fault of Pyongyang, he said, for "continuing to develop weapons in violation of their promises. We're just defending ourselves."
Japan is planning to develop a new type of radar to improve its ability to monitor North Korea's missile development, the Kyodo news agency reported yesterday.
The hawkish Mr Ishiba, who has earned a reputation for pushing the limits of Japan's debate on defence since taking office almost a year ago, has made clear he favours a much tougher stance than his predecessors toward Japan's Stalinist neighbour.
He believes that President George Bush's strategy is closer to his own approach, than the strategy of Bill Clinton. "Clinton's policy toward North Korea was based on two false premises: one, that Pyongyang would keep its promises [regarding the 1994 agreement to abandon its nuclear programme]; and two, that North Korea would collapse," he said.
"North Korea neither kept its promises nor collapsed. We are now faced with the consequences."
Earlier this year Mr Ishiba sparked a huge row when he told parliament that it was "worth considering" whether Japan should have an offensive capability, raising the possibility of radical change to its 50-year-old pacifist constitution, which renounces war "for ever". The prospect of a newly aggressive Japan, which already boasts annual military expenditure of almost £25bn - 25 per cent larger than Britain's - worries its neighbours, who have bitter memories of the Second World War.
Mr Ishiba's statements are another sign that Japan is slowly but inexorably moving away from a defence posture that many conservatives view as outdated in the aftermath of the Cold War. A number of senior politicians have recently floated the idea of Japan developing its own nuclear weapons, and in June, a bipartisan defence group of 103 junior politicians called for the government to change its defence-only policy to allow for a "minimum" level of offensive capability to attack an enemy. Under recent legislation, Japanese troops can be sent to Iraq to offer medical and reconstruction assistance, in violation, opponents say, of the constitution.
The Prime Minister, Junichiro Koizumi said yesterday that he wanted permanent changes to Article 9 - the section that renounces Japan's right to wage war - which would give the government authority to contribute troops to any international peacekeeping operations. The attack on the Baghdad offices of the UN delayed the dispatch of Japanese troops but Mr Ishiba insisted they would go "when we can ensure their safety". He said: "People are afraid of Japanese troops being killed but war is not a tea party." -
Godzilla redux.....Gigantic fat dictator with even worse hair in dorky jumpsuit wreaking havoc in one of japanese cities and little jap f-15s and apaches firing missiles at itOriginally posted by IAF:Japan warns that it will attack if North Korea aims missile
By David McNeill in Tokyo
15 September 2003
Japan's Defence Minister has stressed his country's right to strike North Korean missile sites if an attack is thought imminent.
Ahem! Sorry couldn't help that analogy.
Won't be surprise if there are IAF personnel briefing the japs at the moment on "Pre-emptive Strike 101" -
this is the paranoia from N Korea... conducting exercises in the Coral Sea!! about a million miles away from N Korea is "provocation"...
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Canberra dismisses Korean 'rhetoric'
By David Wroe
Canberra
September 15, 2003
The Howard Government has dismissed as more "inflammatory rhetoric" North Korea's claim that an Australian-led naval exercise was an act of "military provocation".
The volatile North Korean Government predicted that the simulated pursuit and boarding of a vessel carrying weapons of mass destruction at the weekend was a precursor to a US attack.
"This joint military exercise is a military operation that comes before the US military attack against us," North Korea was quoted as saying by South Korea's national Yonhap news agency.
"This is a military provocation."
But a spokesman for Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said Exercise Pacific Protector, involving the 11 member nations of the Proliferation Security Initiative, was not aimed specifically at North Korea.
"The proliferation security initiative is not aimed at any specific country but at preventing the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction," he said. "If North Korea is not involved in the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, we'd say they have nothing to be concerned about."
The two-day joint exercise involving Australia, the US, Japan and France took place in the Coral Sea, off Australia's east coast.
After watching the exercise, Defence Minister Robert Hill said: "It sends a message to all those who may for one reason or another contemplate the transfer of weapons of mass destruction."
An unnamed senior US official told Associated Press the exercises served as a special warning to North Korea and Iran because of the relatively advanced stages of their nuclear weapons programs. -
Well since more then 80% of the korean food is donated by ROK and China and Japan those 3 could just as easily starve them into submission.Even in a protracted war the North would lose out as they would run out of supplies like oil,food and metals.Originally posted by IAF:You are right. DPRK ain't Iraq. Knowing the nutcase running DPRK, he's a guy on a fast runaway train...Such a development can only make him more paranoid and up the ante, if only to keep potential internal foes busy and occupied.
China would need like at least half a million, given its backwardness to do like what it did to Vietnam in 1979...even that at a great cost. Perhaps it should take a leaf out of Sunzi and try to defeat the regime without firing a shot...like stirring an internal revolt
And the Coral sea exersise is seen as a provocation due to the fact that it is anti smuggling exersise of some sorts that is indirectly aimed at North Korea's weapons trade which is where it gets some 70+++% of it's income! -
then i think N Korea just pichar lobang themselves...
but then, it never stopped them, did it?Originally posted by |-|05|:Well since more then 80% of the korean food is donated by ROK and China and Japan those 3 could just as easily starve them into submission.Even in a protracted war the North would lose out as they would run out of supplies like oil,food and metals.
And the Coral sea exersise is seen as a provocation due to the fact that it is anti smuggling exersise of some sorts that is indirectly aimed at North Korea's weapons trade which is where it gets some 70+++% of it's income! -
TrueOriginally posted by the Bear:then i think N Korea just pichar lobang themselves...
but then, it never stopped them, did it? -
Not so easy.. i think. DPRK is a past master at extortion and blackmail. Policy makers in neighbouring countries are loathe to push the fat bastard into the corner and trigger a doomsday scenario. Who knows what he'll do in order to bring everyone down with him?Originally posted by |-|05|:Well since more then 80% of the korean food is donated by ROK and China and Japan those 3 could just as easily starve them into submission.Even in a protracted war the North would lose out as they would run out of supplies like oil,food and metals.
The only way is for a coup detat or internal revolt to happen. And when the timing is right, the Chinese can offer him and his family a choice to go into exile in inner mongolia, where the horsemen will lop off his head and play polo with it
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don't think that will happen.. the common peasants worship him..
i think the morons there are mad enough to try and take out everyone with them if they collapse..Originally posted by IAF:Not so easy.. i think. DPRK is a past master at extortion and blackmail. Policy makers in neighbouring countries are loathe to push the fat bastard into the corner and trigger a doomsday scenario. Who knows what he'll do in order to bring everyone down with him?
The only way is for a coup detat or internal revolt to happen. And when the timing is right, the Chinese can offer him and his family a choice to go into exile in inner mongolia, where the horsemen will lop off his head and play polo with it -
When they start starving cause of the fat dude i'm sure they will stop it.If i'm not wrong most of the arable land is being used to grow poppy to help finence the army?
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the fat piece of dogturd will go to war rather than leave his position...Originally posted by |-|05|:When they start starving cause of the fat dude i'm sure they will stop it.If i'm not wrong most of the arable land is being used to grow poppy to help finence the army?
