is China a pussy cat, paper tiger when it comes to vs USA?
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You were implying China would catch up with the US and the quote you posted says that China would surpass the USA within 20 years, well I decided to show you some numbers to show you how unlikely that would be.
tis post is frm another forum..
Compared to the USA? Well.... actually it is.
Please explain me how a communist nation will surpass a capitalist nation within 20 years?
Are you saying the US GDP won't grow for the coming 20 years or so?, you have a better chance that the EU will surpass the US than China. China won't have a shot at the world leading economic superpower for another 100 years.
China's defence budget is 65 billion that of the USA is 390 and in four years will be well over 500 billion, if you have checked the links I provided, how do you suspect china to close that gap? it is insane the USA has like now 6 times more and increases it with 15% a year or so to 500 billion, China can't possibly ever match that, you have seen it for yourself. China is a paper tiger. The gap keeps increasing. I provided enough sources for that, now it is time that you provide some sources instead of baseless speculation, fueled by national pride.
I never implied that, I just said that China is far weaker than the USA
http://www.blizzforums.com/showthread.php?t=27324&page=1&pp=15
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Economically, no, China will not surpass the US in 20 years, but it will be a lot stronger and be in a better position to talk terms then.
Militarily, no either. But to take on the US militarily, you don't need to match them point for point. China just have to reach a capability to hurt the US military to win. The US has no stomach for bodybags unless its own territory (remember TERRITORY NOT INTERESTS) is threatened, and if the Chinese military reaches numbers and capabilities to make sure any clash will cost the US, on a moderate scale, it will be enough to deter the US. -
Originally posted by Viper52:
ur post is the most logical one..
Economically, no, China will not surpass the US in 20 years, but it will be a lot stronger and be in a better position to talk terms then.
Militarily, no either. But to take on the US militarily, you don't need to match them point for point. China just have to reach a capability to hurt the US military to win. The US has no stomach for bodybags unless its own territory (remember TERRITORY [b]NOT INTERESTS) is threatened, and if the Chinese military reaches numbers and capabilities to make sure any clash will cost the US, on a moderate scale, it will be enough to deter the US.[/b]
but frm the other forum i read..American think otherwise..
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Viper52 is right on most points, with the exception of " US domestic territories " that will force the USA to war.
In a 2001 US archive news report, the following was reported:
http://www.dawn.com/2001/08/30/top17.htm
China will emerge as a superpower in the next half-century, perhaps even within the next quarter-century.
This is the assessment of United States Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who says [color=red]Taiwan is at the core of the US-Sino relationship, and America is firmly committed to seeing the issue resolved without the use of force.
The question was whether the emerging China would live at peace with its neighbours, Mr Wolfowitz added, "or will it go the way of traditional power diplomacy, which I think in this era with these weapons would be a tragic mistake...I don't think China has to be a threat, but I think if we're complacent, then we could actually contribute to the opposite effect."
Mr Wolfowitz, in his interview, said the build-up of short-range missiles opposite Taiwan violated Beijing's pledge to resolve the standoff with the island peacefully, but he thought it was "terribly important that everybody behave sensibly and maturely and keep that situation a peaceful one, which it has been for quite a long time now."[/color]
In a 2002 US analysis of China in the next 25 years, the following was reported:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200210/06/eng20021006_104528.shtml
China's Economic Growth Aids Global Development
6 October 2002
Experts predict if China can keep its economic growth rate at around 7 percent over the next twenty years, it will rank third in the world economic aggregate table behind the United States and Japan.
Unfortunately, both China and USA see each other as political adversaries that will block each other's path to being a super-power:
http://www.fas.org/news/china/1997/bmd970411h.htm
CHINA: U.S. OBSTACLE TO SUPERPOWER STATUS
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 8, 1997
http://www.atimes.com/editor/CB17Ba01.html
Editorials: ANALYSIS
Bush's lone military superpower vision
Part 2: The enemy is China
By Uwe Parpart
Editor, Asia Times Online
Part 1: Bush's lone military superpower vision
Part 3: The nature of future wars and US strategy
Today, China has about 1.2 billion people and a GDP of US$1 trillion growing at an annual rate of 7-8 percent. By 2025, its population will be 1.5 billion, its GDP in the $6 trillion-$7 trillion range (comparable to that of the US or the EU in the mid-1990s), and it will be able to avail itself of the most advanced technologies.
And the following scenario for future Taiwan crises is seen as possible, even likely: China decides to try to force Taiwan to accept reunification on Beijing's terms. Its first military step is a naval blockade of Taiwan. The United States sends ships to challenge the blockade. In response, the Chinese threaten missile attacks or hit American vessels, persuading Washington that it has to choose between going to war and pulling back. Hesitation in Washington or a decision to retreat prompts the collapse of the Taiwanese stock market, currency and economy. The Taiwanese establishment quickly accepts whatever deal Beijing is offering - and that isn't all. US failure to support its ally persuades other Asian powers that they, too, must accommodate the rising China. Japan makes a deal with Beijing for security and autonomy, in return agreeing to close all US bases. A reunified Korea, swept up by nationalist sentiment, also expels the Americans. China effectively dominates the entire region. "An Asia it dominates but does not conquer or occupy is China's goal," the study says.
However, although China has a growing economy that will help its advancement to be an economic powerhouse, it may not reach super-power status on the same terms as USA.
This is largely due to its population size that will tax the budget to ensure continued development that will benefit the lives of China's population.
Its corrupt government system at the lower levels will prevent economic wealth from reaching every corner of China, and it will need deeper reforms to its legal and financial system to take advantage of its entry into the World Trade Organisation, and bring its economy on par, so as to compete with the rest of the World.
China will need to relook at its Political System that embraces Communism, even as it moderate the Communist System of Central Planning with Capitalistic Methods in capitalising on Market Forces.
By revamping its political system to allow for broader changes to liberal creativity, enterprise and transparency in all aspects of economic and political activities, China's growth will be significantly deeper and broader.
This will allow for a bigger and more meaningful military budget that will capitalize on the technological growth and development in commerce and industries, which is largely brought into China by Foreign Investments.
China may yet be a super power that can match the USA, but it will depend on the will of its system to accept change.
Since the opening of its doors to the world in 1978, China has accumulated a National Reserve of over US$200 Billion, which makes it third in size after Japan.
Recommended interesting sites for general reading:
China: the Emerging Superpower
by Major H.A. Hynes
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/doctrine/0046.htm
Conference of Defence Associations Institute
Second Annual Graduate Student Symposium
12-13 November 1999
CHINA'S SUPERPOWER CHALLENGE
JOE VARNER
Changes in China's Use of Force
http://www.cda-cdai.ca/symposia/1999/varner99.htm
China as the Next Superpower
Summary of Remarks by
Dr. Harry Harding
Dean, Elliott School of International Affairs, George Washington University
September 16, 1997
http://www.national-economists.org/summary2.htm
Asian Super Power
Circa 1999
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/china.50/ -
i noe in China view tat they see Taiwan as one of their province..
but frm one of the link u post..it seem tat China have another motive..tat is to become a major in tis region?
if it is..den Taiwan is just a pawn to them?
im still unable to understand the term "Superpower"..
izit military onli or economicaly? or both?Do you believe America should continue funding this organization that is doing nothing but costing our nation billions of dollars. We don't need the U.N. anymore we are the worlds only superpower with the greatest alliance (NATO) in history. The United States could use this money much wiser than funding the giant beuracracy that is the U.N. We could fix our own problems and then go and help the world. Only this time everyone would be depending on us and not the U.N. Countries would be a lot more greatful to America if we didnt give all the credit to the U.N.
frm Blizzforum..i find it chilling to think tat will happen..
I believe the United States should stop worrying about world opinion and just do things that are in the best interests of America, which is for the greater good of mankind. The world should just trust our good judgement as the greatest nation on Earth. America is the beacon of hope in this world. God bless America! -
The US economy runs entirely on one element "faith".They are heavy debtors cos of their current account deficit.Whether or not their economy continues to run depends on Asia's willingness to continue pumping money into it.Who are those guys doing so?Singapore,China,Japan,Taiwan,Koreans........you know very well this cannot be sustained for long.The moment comes when we stop pumping money to them,their economy will be in big trouble.By that time,the US$500B of defense spending will be worth nothing when compared to RB500B.Overnight the whole powerbalance can be turned around.........it's only a matter of time when their time runs out.
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Ohhhh.... That's nice. Just dont forget, the moment their economy fails, whose else fails with them? Its the rest of the bloody f*^%$!@ world who's gonna go down with them...
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Not onl faith my friend...but also oil....their currency is being back up by oil...and the world runs on oil so they wont be broke.Anyway what father said is true.If they fail we are all screwed....u dun want that to happen now do u?They are one of the world's biggest importers!Originally posted by Héil zë Führer:The US economy runs entirely on one element "faith".They are heavy debtors cos of their current account deficit.Whether or not their economy continues to run depends on Asia's willingness to continue pumping money into it.Who are those guys doing so?Singapore,China,Japan,Taiwan,Koreans........you know very well this cannot be sustained for long.The moment comes when we stop pumping money to them,their economy will be in big trouble.By that time,the US$500B of defense spending will be worth nothing when compared to RB500B.Overnight the whole powerbalance can be turned around.........it's only a matter of time when their time runs out. -
i guess if they do fight it out then it is world war 3 man! i guess usa is much better in terms of technology but china huge popluation means they can take usa blows much better. china may be just a paper tiger or it may be a wolf in a sheep skin
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Napolean once said that China is a sleeping lion,when it awakes,the whole world will shook under it!
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Originally posted by Viper52:
Is this the backdrop for DSTA going Euro for the NGF???
Economically, no, China will not surpass the US in 20 years, but it will be a lot stronger and be in a better position to talk terms then.
Militarily, no either. But to take on the US militarily, you don't need to match them point for point. China just have to reach a capability to hurt the US military to win. The US has no stomach for bodybags unless its own territory (remember TERRITORY [b]NOT INTERESTS) is threatened, and if the Chinese military reaches numbers and capabilities to make sure any clash will cost the US, on a moderate scale, it will be enough to deter the US.[/b]
I'm still puzzled about the rationale for NGF short of a serious change in geo-political balance of power - economically and military wise. -
China is a sponge and it can take everything US has to offer AND still be able to hit back just like what the IRAQIs are doing now but much more.Originally posted by sai002:i guess if they do fight it out then it is world war 3 man! i guess usa is much better in terms of technology but china huge popluation means they can take usa blows much better. china may be just a paper tiger or it may be a wolf in a sheep skin
That is if US is crazy enough to go into China in the first place.