RSAF's choice of replacement jet fighter narrows down...
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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/50808/1/.html
choose your plane now!!!
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f-16
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Its just an expert (Tim Huxley) posting his views, nothing new that hasn't been said before. And I think we've seen too many debates about this already without any consensus. So lets give everything a rest till the narrowing-down is made then discuss it ok?
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Agreed
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i want all of it..can can?
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Trawl through some of the older posts here and in old days of the Speakers Forum before this forum was created. Theres lots of threads and opinions on this issue discussing the pros and cons of each contender.
I think some of the older hands here are sick and tired of discussing this topic without any consensus, and we have agreed to let this issue rest till the selection is made. -
tough choice....
F-15T vs F-16 blk 60 vs Typhoon
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Its more organised now here in military nuts as compared to the old days in the government! Agree?
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yo dudes, anyones got any pictures of the F-15T? Pls put the url or post the pics! Cheers
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i also want allOriginally posted by NathanG5:i want all of it..can can? 
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macam malaysia ahh? Semua also want!Originally posted by NathanG5:i want all of it..can can? 
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F-15T
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F-16s' definitely out~!
Either F-15E or Euro Typhoon
If Singapore's looking for more of a fighter for air-superiority then it should go for Typhoon cos it's better than F-16.
But if it's going to bet air-superiority on F-35 which it may acquire in future,then it should go for F-15E for it's offensive capabilities which we are lagging behind. -
S'pore gets carrots to buy French warplane
If it chooses Rafale over two other aircraft, it can jointly develop on-board radar and get greater access to training areas in France
By David Boey
THE French government is offering Singapore the chance to jointly develop a new radar system if the air force opts for the warplane Rafale when it decides on a new fighter aircraft.
The Rafale, made by French giant Dassault Aviation, is one of three aircraft shortlisted by the Defence Ministry (Mindef) to replace its ageing fleet of A-4 Super Skyhawks. The deal is said to be worth more than US$1 billion (S$1.75 billion).
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The other two candidates are the Boeing F-15T Strike Eagle from the United States, and the Typhoon, offered by a consortium of aircraft makers from Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain.
In an interview, the French Ministry of Defence's strategic affairs director Marc Perrin de Brichambaut said: 'It's true that if you get involved in the Rafale, the development of the new radar is to be done jointly.'
He was referring to the advanced RBE-2 radar found on the fighter.
Other incentives would include greater access to air force training areas in France, added the policymaker who is one of the French defence ministry's top civil servants.
If Mindef goes for the Rafale, it will come after the order for six stealth frigates from French shipyard, Direction des Constructions Navales International (DCN), in early 2000 under a multi-billion-dollar order.
The first 110m-long frigate is now in an advanced stage of construction at a DCN yard in Lorient, in north-west France. It is expected to arrive in Singapore in 2005.
Five others are being built by local shipyard, Singapore Technologies Marine, in Jurong.
Defence engineers from France and Singapore are now working on integrating the different weapon systems on board the frigate.
The stealth warships will be armed with guns, anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles. Each ship will also carry a naval helicopter tasked with hunting and destroying submarines.
Said Mr de Brichambaut: 'Since you are clever buyers of defence equipment, you have tended to pick and choose the best equipment on these frigates. Most of that equipment has not been integrated before on a project of this scale.'
Because of the complexity of the project, the engineers will have to overcome some technical challenges, he added.
Aside from cooperation on the frigate, defence engineers from both countries have also worked together on radar technology, chemical and biological defence and underwater technologies.
Both countries are developing a new 'legal and procedural framework' to protect sensitive weapons technology developed jointly, said Mr de Brichambaut.
'Our defence relations are entering a new phase where we will actually share work in long-term cooperation projects, and this needs to be built in an environment of legal and other considerations.'
French defence officials and policy advisers also value the intelligence exchanges with Singapore, as it helps them understand the security situation in South-east Asia, which aids in their counter-terrorism planning, he added.
'Because of your geographical location, you are hugely aware of developments on a broad scale in South-east Asia and we would like to hear Singapore's point of view on regional developments,' said Mr de Brichambaut.
The planned visit this month by Dr Tony Tan, Deputy Prime Minister and Coordinating Minister for Security and Defence, is expected to deepen counter-terrorism cooperation with France.
Wow, France is desparate to make the first Rafale sales. Perhaps Singapore could really position itself to make the best deal here - cheaper plane and technology transfers.
I would love to see India and Taiwan buy a few squadrons too, just to toss the military balance up a bit ... hee hee... but of course, this will only happen in my dreams... -
yea....can see it n the article 2dae.......is pretty tempting......Originally posted by Joe Black:
Wow, France is desparate to make the first Rafale sales. Perhaps Singapore could really position itself to make the best deal here - cheaper plane and technology transfers.
I would love to see India and Taiwan buy a few squadrons too, just to toss the military balance up a bit ... hee hee... but of course, this will only happen in my dreams... for mi just wish metoer would come out asap...man.... i wan that bvraam 
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A few years back during the intense competition for the singapore attack helicopter tender....the then chief of air force, goh yong siang stated on record that the euro tiger attack chopper was suited for the needs of our airforce..due to compatibility of spare parts or something. Yet in the end, they chose the apache.
This is just a smoke and mirrors ploy to induce anxiety and make the other competitors drop their pants...err..price -
Well , if we're getting the Rafale , we might be dependent on France for spare parts . But , the technology transfer would really be nice to have cos maybe we could improve on it and upgrade our own plane's radar in the future . Just curious , is the Rafale able to carry the conventional bombs and missiles or can it just carry french made weapons ?
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If you guys noticed, it seems that the 'advanced radar' refers to the next-gen upgrade of the RBE-2, which would be an active-array type. However, if I remember correctly, France has already commited to joint-development of the AMSAR radar, which is slated to be the replacement of both the current RBE-2 and the ECR-90. So... if the AMSAR is already the replacement, (we'd have no role in the AMSAR, as that is already set as an European collabaration), then why the RBE-2 upgrade? (which would most likely not be fitted onto their own Rafales?)
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guess it's something expedient...just to sweeten the deal. No doubt our evaluation team will take a hard look at this offer and see if it's really something worthwhile...or maybe just a diet coke version of the real thingOriginally posted by YourFather:If you guys noticed, it seems that the 'advanced radar' refers to the next-gen upgrade of the RBE-2, which would be an active-array type. However, if I remember correctly, France has already commited to joint-development of the AMSAR radar, which is slated to be the replacement of both the current RBE-2 and the ECR-90. So... if the AMSAR is already the replacement, (we'd have no role in the AMSAR, as that is already set as an European collabaration), then why the RBE-2 upgrade? (which would most likely not be fitted onto their own Rafales?) -
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,218137,00.html?
ASIAN AEROSPACE 2004
Get to know shortlisted RSAF fighters
THREE plane-makers, competing to close a nearly $2 billion deal with the Ministry of Defence (Mindef), will roll out their fighter machines at the Asian Aerospace show next February.
It will bring the planes that have made it to Mindef's shortlist within touching distance of Singaporeans, who can visit the show at Changi Exhibition Centre. The aircraft are the Eurofighter Typhoon, French Dassault Rafale and the United States' F-15E Strike Eagle.
There may be flying displays too, said Mr Ed Ng, who is president of Asian Aerospace as well as Reed Exhibitions, which is managing the air show. The line-up of events and participants is still being finalised, he said yesterday, giving a first peek at what visitors can expect at the biennial event, which will be held from Feb 24 to 29. It is open to the public only on the last two days.
The organisers expect Mindef's top choices to be 'one of the biggest highlights of the show', said Asian Aerospace vice-president Trixie Webster. The three were shortlisted from among six aircraft in a tender to replace the Republic of Singapore Air Force's (RSAF) ageing A-4SU Super Skyhawk fighter-bombers.
Mr Ng is confident that next year's show will be as big as, if not bigger than, last year's, when more than 62,000 people came. They included 22,000 trade visitors from 65 countries.
Next year's event will also see an aviation summit held alongside it, a first tie-up between Asian Aerospace and the International Air Transport Association (Iata). Said Iata's regional vice-president Andrew Drysdale: 'The summit will give us a platform to focus on the important issues facing our industry alongside our partners, not just the airlines, but all the partners in the industry.'
Iata's two-day conference is expected to draw more than 100 top guns to discuss the future of the regional aviation industry which has been battered by terrorism, war and the Sars crisis. -
apache was chosen long before he said those words at AA. months before that, RSAF finalised on the apache. dun ask me how i know, i know.Originally posted by IAF:A few years back during the intense competition for the singapore attack helicopter tender....the then chief of air force, goh yong siang stated on record that the euro tiger attack chopper was suited for the needs of our airforce..due to compatibility of spare parts or something. Yet in the end, they chose the apache.
This is just a smoke and mirrors ploy to induce anxiety and make the other competitors drop their pants...err..price -
i have feeling that the type of plane has already been chosen.....
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F-15T?Originally posted by kanzer:i have feeling that the type of plane has already been chosen..... -
It will be very sad if DSTA choose this plane. I personally think that it is time to get a new plane from Europe - at least different supply chain and possibly less politicial string attached.Originally posted by duotiga83:F-15T?