Don't know about now, but i read about a survey conducted some time back in Israel that young men once they enter NS, are allowed to choose, before they do their bmt, the vocation they want.Originally posted by NathanG5:its a good idea...Israel consripte its own SF The Sayeret Matkal..
but commandos are consider SF already..n they are consripted..
unless you are talking abt SOF??
its not surprising that most Israelis youth will want to be in the best..Originally posted by IAF:Don't know about now, but i read about a survey conducted some time back in Israel that young men once they enter NS, are allowed to choose, before they do their bmt, the vocation they want.
The most popular choice being a fighter pilot in the air force, followed by the special forces especially the naval commandos - definitely not what their dear jewish mums would want! Guess the special forces there have a long and celebrated tradition to inspire such gungho-ness among the male youths.
not much..for myself..i will volunteerr..with a violent objection from my parents of cos..Originally posted by 35MM Gunner:if our soldiers r not conscripted then how many r willing 2 volunteer?????
as it is our SAF is considered a 'civilian' armed forces![]()
The fact is, in this day and age, the portion of singapore commandos consisting of conscripts cannot be counted as special forces in the mould of the current SAS or Green Berets. It seems their special function is essentially that of rangers, who are light infantrymen. As what NathanG5 said, the real unconventional spec operators are SOFOriginally posted by LazerLordz:I think its a very bad idea for SpecOps ppl to be conscripts due to a very simple fact, these people are not volunteers, therefore the motivation is not there. If there is no motivation, their attitude towards training will not be positive and may result in mental degeneration, causing accidents.
Look at the Navy SEALs or the elite SAS, whose ranks are filled with highly paid professionals. This helps both parties as it increases operational readiness and also prevents stupid accidents like what happened to 2SG Hu and many countless others from ever happening again.What do you guys think?![]()
wats your Pes Status? n wats wrong?Originally posted by 35MM Gunner:if our soldiers r not conscripted then how many r willing 2 volunteer?????
as it is our SAF is considered a 'civilian' armed forces
i wud volunteer but my many attempts in signing on failed due 2 pes status
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Actually 2SG Hu was a sniper. Snipers are not spec-ops people. Same case for infantry scouts and BRC.Originally posted by LazerLordz:prevents stupid accidents like what happened to 2SG Hu and many countless others from ever happening again.
if im not wrong..maybe those wearing red can correct me..Originally posted by IAF:The fact is the portion of singapore commandos consisting of conscripts cannot be counted as special forces in the tradition of SAS or Green Berets. It seems their special function is essentially that of rangers, who are light infantrymen. As what NathanG5 said, the real unconventional spec operators are SOF
This is just my humble opinion...and by no means do i have any intention to belittle what these tough warriors do - for i do admire their warrior ethos and espirt de corp. They are truly SAF's finest
u kena that during your NS?Originally posted by 35MM Gunner:C2L2
fractured ankle
i tot sign on as tech still got chance and i understand pes C personnel if ur regular still have 2 take ippt but they still rejected![]()
few mths b4 enlistedOriginally posted by NathanG5:u kena that during your NS?
That's true..don't forget that the ranger regiments are very regimented with their crewcuts and 'hooahs'. On the other hand, once a soldiers transforms into a delta or green beret, he crosses over into a grey world of cloak and dagger covet ops where they have almost total freedom to plan and execute an op as they see fit, such as growing beards, wear turbans and carry kalashnikovs to look like mujahideensOriginally posted by Icemoon:Actually 2SG Hu was a sniper. Snipers are not spec-ops people. Same case for infantry scouts and BRC.
In the States, rangers are part of USASOC, ie. US Army Special Operations Command. As such, they're part of spec-ops. But of course, there's a hierarchy and rangers look up to Green Berets and Delta Force as people above them.
u can ask for an upgrade actually..Originally posted by 35MM Gunner:few mths b4 enlisted![]()
Ranger or Bud is not the only way..but the most likely way into US Army Spec Op(green beret) or SEAL..Originally posted by 35MM Gunner:Rangers and Special Forces r like their Seals and Bud counterparts
from wat i understand if ur Special Forces ur most likely Ranger qualified but not neccessarily da other way round (of coz i may b wrong)
same for da Seals
they have 2 go thru BUD b4 they can go on 2 b a Seal
Thanx gendaken for enlightening. Btw, what is to be understood by professionalism in this context? Does it mean that the level of regimentation is just as high as other units?Originally posted by Gedanken:One of my OCs, when he first came aboard, addressed the company and said, "Despite being NSF, you are meant to be as professional as any regulars in the rest of the army. I will treat you as professionals and in turn I expect you to act like professionals.". This OC was in fact rotated to us from SOF simply to do his OC tour. Everybody kept their end of the bargain, and things ran fine with a small handful of exceptions.
One of these was with a fellow who came over from Infantry by his own request. He had some grandiose ideas that it would be a big gung-ho adventure, and when he found that the emphasis was instead on professionalism, he lost interest.
Israel is different. Israel has a long long history of being a nation of warriors always fighting and fighting for survival. The people therefore want to continue family traditions ... israeli's are much like the gurkas who also like to continue family traditions of soldiering.Originally posted by IAF:Don't know about now, but i read about a survey conducted some time back in Israel that young men once they enter NS, are allowed to choose, before they do their bmt, the vocation they want.
The most popular choice being a fighter pilot in the air force, followed by the special forces especially the naval commandos - definitely not what their dear jewish mums would want! Guess the special forces there have a long and celebrated tradition to inspire such gungho-ness among the male youths.