Bush vs Mahathir
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Originally posted by espanol_man:
I think you got it wrong. Malaysia has no dealings with Israel and want nothing to do with it. One example is their Su-30MKM which is similar to India's MKI only with the Israeli systems replaced.
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[b]"Malaysia has no diplomatic relations with Israel"
hmmm... Malaysia's lack of diplomatic relations with Israel has not stopped it from have defence dealings with Israel...
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However for Indonesia, they got a few ex-Israeli heli(Dauphine if I am not wrong). -
Originally posted by branzzz:Isreali Airforce should send their F16s on a round the world mission to buzz putrajaya at mach1, just like what they did to syria and jordan as a warning. lets see if the great MAF would stand up to beat the world's best airforce.
IAF F-15Ds flypast over auschwitz last august. NEVER AGAIN. Dr M - eat your heart out sucker! -
ntu slacker: "instead of a debate its a mudsliging whenever Mahathir's concerned"
True... oei... mr NTU, no more slacking for u or else u go join NTUC hor... -
branzzz: "Isreali Airforce should send their F16s on a round the world mission to buzz putrajaya at mach1, just like what they did to syria and jordan as a warning. lets see if the great MAF would stand up to beat the world's best airforce."
Branzz, u veri fierce man! (Gives u a Tiger ) anyway, dun think even the US (much less the Mat yos yos) can match the israelis in ACM.
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eurofighter : "I think you got it wrong. Malaysia has no dealings with Israel and want nothing to do with it."
i got it wrong? just becos they dun see eye to eye sometimes dun mean got no dealings... Singapore orso say we got no defence dealings with them, but some of us know better rite?
here's a hint: ask the RMAF engineers who was behind their C130, Hawk and Mig29 upgrades... -
IAF: "F-15Ds flypast over auschwitz last august."
IAF, u must be a fan of Israeli AF or Indian AF? the lead F15 has Rafael AGM142 Popeye with Litening pod. Left wing man from Eagle Sqn has Python4 under wing root... lethal combination man... -
Yes, am a casual israeli air force watcher. You are right abt the configs - the latest Air Force Monthly also published this pic as well.Originally posted by espanol_man:IAF: "F-15Ds flypast over auschwitz last august."
IAF, u must be a fan of Israeli AF or Indian AF? the lead F15 has Rafael AGM142 Popeye with Litening pod. Left wing man from Eagle Sqn has Python4 under wing root... lethal combination man... -
Originally posted by espanol_man:
The C-130 upgrade to lengthen the fuselage was done by Airod with help from Lockheed Martin.
eurofighter : [b]"I think you got it wrong. Malaysia has no dealings with Israel and want nothing to do with it."
i got it wrong? just becos they dun see eye to eye sometimes dun mean got no dealings... Singapore orso say we got no defence dealings with them, but some of us know better rite?
here's a hint: ask the RMAF engineers who was behind their C130, Hawk and Mig29 upgrades... [/b]
The Israelis have no upgrade packages for Mig-29s. The upgrade was done by the Russians in a 1997 deal to upgrade their avonics, install refuelling probe and ability to carry R-77.
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Originally posted by espanol_man:
Oh Israel wont sell to Malaysia anyway.Anyway it's a known fact that israel has helpped us alot.It was in a book somewhere that they helped us set up our army and has since maintained a strong relationship with us.And seeing as to how our SAR21 and their TAR21 looks the bloody same i wont be surprised they work on it together.Other things like our F-16's looking like the israeli f-16's(most prob same kind of package)....and we are using alot of they're electronics.....
eurofighter : [b]"I think you got it wrong. Malaysia has no dealings with Israel and want nothing to do with it."
i got it wrong? just becos they dun see eye to eye sometimes dun mean got no dealings... Singapore orso say we got no defence dealings with them, but some of us know better rite?
here's a hint: ask the RMAF engineers who was behind their C130, Hawk and Mig29 upgrades... [/b] -
Originally posted by |-|05|:And seeing as to how our SAR21 and their TAR21 looks the bloody same i wont be surprised they work on it together.
TAR-21
SAR-21
So desu ne!! -
also those camel-humped skyhawks based at hasanuddin AB in makassar, sulawesi. In to the political thriller, Timor Man (based on historical facts), there's some background info abt the first batch bought from israel - under a deal brokered by the US. When the skyhawks landed in indonesia, they still had their star-of-david markings on. Anyway, those skyhawks became infamous becos' they were used against the then east-timoreseOriginally posted by eurofighter:However for Indonesia, they got a few ex-Israeli heli(Dauphine if I am not wrong). -
|-|05| : "The C-130 upgrade to lengthen the fuselage was done by Airod with help from Lockheed Martin.
The Israelis have no upgrade packages for Mig-29s. The upgrade was done by the Russians in a 1997 deal to upgrade their avonics, install refuelling probe and ability to carry R-77.
There were no Hawk upgrades."
er... i'm not talking abt the lengthening of the C130 fuselage... the Israeli upgrade was comms/EW based... i'll leave it as that Elbit has upgrade packages for Mig29 (check with the PAF and Luffwaffe).
later dude! -
IAF: "Yes, am a casual israeli air force watcher."
aha... a fellow watcher... yup... i do keep a watch out on the iaf... damn cool man! -
that dude (mahatir) he got balls...respect to him...one of da few who dared to piss da us n israelis...unlike da rest of da world's leader..bbunch of p-u-s-s-i-e-s and hypocrites
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er... i'm not talking abt the lengthening of the C130 fuselage... the Israeli upgrade was comms/EW based... i'll leave it as that Elbit has upgrade packages for Mig29 (check with the PAF and Luffwaffe).
Nope. The only RMAF C-130 upgrade by the Malaysians was only to convert it to C-130H-30 by lengthening the fuselage. Click here to find out morehttp://www.lmaeronautics.com/news/programnews/air_mobility/c130/c130_01/c130pr011106.html
later dude!
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My mistake. Elbit do have an Mig-29 upgrade called Mig-29 Sniper with DASA and Aerostar. But the Malaysian Mig-29 upgrade to Mig-29N was solely done by the Russians.
Quote from this site http://russia.jamestown.org/pubs/view/mon_007_169_000.htmEstimated to be worth US$34.4 million, the deal called for Russia to upgrade the MiGs by equipping them with mid-air refueling systems, strengthening them to carry a heavier ordnance load and arming them with the newest Russian air-to-air missiles
PAF dun operate any MiG-29 and Luffwaffe's MiG-29 upgrade was done by DASA and Mig.
I dun think the Malaysians will wanna get anything Israeli and the Israelis will not sell anything to the Malaysians. 
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eurofighter: Nope. The only RMAF C-130 upgrade by the Malaysians was only to convert it to C-130H-30 by lengthening the fuselage.
Click here to find out morehttp://www.lmaeronautics.com/news/programnews/air_mobility/c130/c130_01/c130pr011106.html
dear eurofighter... relying on unofficial sources of publicly available info can be useful but insufficient. I've already said that i'm referring to a C130 upgrade that involves comms/EW, not the cosmetic lengthening, but i do not wish to elaborate further... if u really want to believe what u read in the magazine, then i do not wish to argue further.
the Malaysian Mig-29 upgrade to Mig-29N was solely done by the Russians.
i was not referring to the Mig29N upgrade ... those who know will know... hint: if u get a chance to join them for combined ADEX, check out their s/w and hud.
PAF dun operate any MiG-29
Huh? u gotta be kidding me... Polish AF do not operate Mig29s? which magazine are u reading?
I dun think the Malaysians will wanna get anything Israeli and the Israelis will not sell anything to the Malaysians.
we may not agree with each other based on our sources of info... as i am not prepared to compromise mine, i shall not argue anymore. let's just agree to disagree....
btw, years ago, even when Jane's rec'd sketchy info that Rafael was developing a new A-A missile, they mistakenly called it Python5 when it was actually the Derby... morale of the story? even world reknown and reliable sources of info can get their facts wrong.... 
anyway, mad hatter has finally left with a bang and lots of fanfare... let's not argue anymore... just say your last words and close this argument abt Malaysia and Israel... -
dear espanol_man
I am very interested in reading more on your information. can share share or not?
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"I am very interested in reading more on your information. can share share or not?"
depends on who u are and what u want to know... well? -
here's a little tidbit... it's nothing new but worth thinking about. Rafael developed the python3 (using US-based technology) but later sold some to PRC and never admitted it becos of some EU issues... later, PRC unveiled the PL8 SAM and during the aerial encounter between PRC and US a few years back, photo/video footage revealed that PRC are actually using the python3 as an A-A missile too. think also about the failed Phalcon sale which was eventually blocked by US...
And has anyone considered that given the state of animosity b/w Iran and Israel, why did the israelis agree to be a party in the Iran-Contra scandal during the 80s? basically, israel was a middle man and helped transport the arms/ammo to iran...
Morale of the story? the israelis will sell things to various countries for the right price. some are friendly countries, some are not... some are open sales, some are not. just becos they do not officially declare it does not mean it did not happen
btw, u do know that the israelis did sell some captured soviet Migs and SAMs (SA6) to the US rite? again, it was not officially declared ... -
Yup, let's agree to disagree.
On the PAF thingy, I thought you were refering to Pakistan Air Force.