Any WW2 Fighter Aircraft Fans here?
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They landed using skids.They were launched when needed...usually when enemy bombers were near...They would use the rocket to take of and gain altitude.They would then swoop in fire off either a pod of rockets or cannon fire into the pack of bombers and then turn around to land.Landing was extremely hard and most pilots where killed then.However from what i know not many komets were used at all.Originally posted by superspitfire:Its not that they have their death wish...The ME-163's primary task, i think, is to shoot down the Allied bombers and to get as much kills, of course they must stay at the fight as long as they can. So they 'float', speeding towards the enemy flight and kill the rocket boost, floating towards the bombers. Certainly the Komets are having a death wish if flying by themselves, so they have the 109s or the 190s to cover their backs. Who knows how they land, since they jettison the wheels when taking off.
Anyway so carrier planes had bigger bodies due to their engines being designed bigger?hmm...ok...interesting.Anyway the Zero was a pretty average fighter in IMHO....though compare to carrier planes i guess it's pretty good.I mean a p51,FW190 or even the bf 109 would most prob kick it's ass right??
a little piece of trivia..the p51 was designed and test flown in 100days!This was after the US airforce rejected the spitfire and said it could come up with a better plane in 100 days!And the 1st test flight of the p51 ended in it's crash landing
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rumuor that tom cruise fly this mustang -
Bear : "their morality is not my morality is not your morality...
until they force their morality on others, it's their own business.. and when they do, it's just fascism.."
wah lau... war crimes is considered morality meh? fascism? i think it's plain inhuman... hope we dun have to go thru that era again...
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superspitfire : "Komets are having a death wish if flying by themselves... Who knows how they land, since they jettison the wheels when taking off."
good grief... taking off without a means of landing safely is a death wish... it's like driving a fast car with no brakes... -
Viper: "my interest in Singapore aviation history pre-1965 was piqued by the 4 years I spent in Australia, where I had access to lots of aviation literature not usually found in Singapore. "
hmm, not usual to find singaporeans with your kind of interests... keep it up man! where were u in Oz-land? u seem veri interested in aviation (pilot trainee in Pearce, har?)... was in perth from '94-'96.
"Little threat to Singapore during the Occupation, true, but this was the Japanese Southern Area HQ, and there were things to defend too, the oilfields in Borneo and Sumatra needed defending, and needed planes and pilots. From what I gather, Singapore was used as a training area as well as a holding point for war material (replacement aircraft, units etc)."
wah, u mean Singapore was so important to the japs? why din't they simply base their assessts in Borneo and Sumatra instead? Singapore was a trg area? there's scarcely any land or air space to train?! but i can understand if they base their log support here... convenient access...
"the Block 52 is not my favourite plane, but it certainly was the inspiration for my nick"
yeh, i like the blk 52 Ds... cool looking spine. i once asked a F16 pilot what the spine was for and what's inside... he said "nothing. it is for future growth only" ... yar rite, 'nothing' ... like i believe... might as well say he has got 'nothing' in his head...
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Viper: "When the Japanese surrendered in 1945, the Allies found a large stock of Ohkas in Singapore. They were apparently stored here and planned for use when the Allies invaded Malaya and Singapore"
u have got to be kidding rite? u mean they had such stuff in singapore rite under our noses?
"Several pictures exist of these aircraft being flown with British markings and "ATAIU-SEA" painted on them!"
erm... have u got any to share with us? Pls? Pretty pretty pls
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spencer99 : "more pilots were killed during landing in training/operation than killed in combat. "
sigh... more proof that they have suicidal tendancies... so sad
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|-|05| : the p51 was designed and test flown in 100days!This was after the US airforce rejected the spitfire and said it could come up with a better plane in 100 days!And the 1st test flight of the p51 ended in it's crash landing
yeah man! the P51D is my fav WW2 fighter. one of the first few a/c to carry underwing external tanks and had a helluva range... also one of the first to have under-fuselage air-intake like the F16... -
The "Komet" lands using a "skid". There is always a risk of explosion during landing because of any un-burned rocket fuel... hey, if you guys didn't know. I have a picture of a "Komet" on the 2nd page.
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And I don't think 950km/h is the sound barrier yet. If I'm not wrong, the sound barrier is approx... 675 Knots...? Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...
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yes.. if the Axis won, the Allies would have been put through the same type of "war crimes" tribunal...
however, the Axis did commit lots of crimes...
history is written by the winners..Originally posted by espanol_man:
Bear : [b]"their morality is not my morality is not your morality...
until they force their morality on others, it's their own business.. and when they do, it's just fascism.."
wah lau... war crimes is considered morality meh? fascism? i think it's plain inhuman... hope we dun have to go thru that era again... [/b] -
Nahhh...was in Melb, degree course. Loved the time there, they had bookshops dedicated to military books alone! And floor area is about 1/3 to 1/2 of Borders in Singapore!Originally posted by espanol_man:hmm, not usual to find singaporeans with your kind of interests... keep it up man! where were u in Oz-land? u seem veri interested in aviation (pilot trainee in Pearce, har?)... was in perth from '94-'96.
wah, u mean Singapore was so important to the japs? why din't they simply base their assessts in Borneo and Sumatra instead? Singapore was a trg area? there's scarcely any land or air space to train?! but i can understand if they base their log support here... convenient access...
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Like you said, Singapore was chosen as a training base primarily because of its accessibility and its strategic location meant it required defending. The training aircraft were based here since good bases abounded (Seletar, Sembawang, Tengah and Kallang) while training could be done over Malaya or Riau since they were all occupied territories. In addition, the old Naval Base was used as a main Repair Dock for IJN ships, and the Southern HQ here also required defending. Hence fighters were based here. The sea-lanes needed defending against Allied subs, so anti-sub aircraft units were based here. -
Yup, shows how important the Japanese thought Singapore and this area as a whole, despite being a backwater as far as real action is concerned. The British did compile reports on their finds in Singapore, should be obtainable from places like the Imperial War Museum in the UKOriginally posted by espanol_man:u have got to be kidding rite? u mean they had such stuff in singapore rite under our noses?
The pics I have are copyrighted to others who sent them to me personally, so I can't post them without permission unfortunately. However heres some links about military in Singapore during the war:
erm... have u got any to share with us? Pls? Pretty pretty pls
ATAIU-SEA
Scale model of an ATAIU-SEA Zero
The Story of 2 Japanese Crusiers which ended their war in Singapore -
speed of sound is around 1224km/hOriginally posted by Lim Wei Ming:And I don't think 950km/h is the sound barrier yet. If I'm not wrong, the sound barrier is approx... 675 Knots...? Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...
Anyway the komet wasnt really a suicide plane....it had ejection seats.....infact most german planes designed after 1944 had ejection seat i think.....the Do 335.......the Me232....the komet...the He162 salamander....and alot of the other german rocket planes.... -
wrong, mach number depends on the air temperature. its a ratio rather than a measurement. more info hereOriginally posted by |-|05|:speed of sound is around 1224km/h
http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/mach.htm -
viper: was in Melb, degree course. Loved the time there, they had bookshops dedicated to military books alone! And floor area is about 1/3 to 1/2 of Borders in Singapore!
oops.. sorrie
thot u were from AF cos u seem to be familiar with AF stuff... Melb? how was it? was in perth doing politics... what did u major in? history of singapore?
still can't believe that Singapore was so impt to the japs no wonder they wanted to invade us...
thanks for the pics.., would have never believed that the brits in singapore were so interested in Jap aircraft... but then again, there must have been stranger things... -
My favourite WW2 prop is Mitsubishi A7M Reppu-the successor to the Zero.
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i said around lah.......it changes with air density and temperature....it hovers around 1224 at 30deg and 80% i think.At the height those guys fly it wont drop pass 1000km/h....Originally posted by cavsg:wrong, mach number depends on the air temperature. its a ratio rather than a measurement. more info here
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1224km/h is when u are using 1013.25hPA(ISA) to calculate. anyway pilots don't bother about how many km/h, its more important about IAS in knots for flying and GS for nav.Originally posted by |-|05|:i said around lah.......it changes with air density and temperature....it hovers around 1224 at 30deg and 80% i think.At the height those guys fly it wont drop pass 1000km/h.... -
trueOriginally posted by cavsg:1224km/h is when u are using 1013.25hPA(ISA) to calculate. anyway pilots don't bother about how many km/h, its more important about IAS in knots for flying and GS for nav.
But that guy was wondering if they actually broke the sound barrier -
that fool who ask that question need to read thisOriginally posted by |-|05|:true
But that guy was wondering if they actually broke the sound barrier
http://www.aviationnow.com/media/pdf/SPOTLIGHT_on_Yeager.pdf -
aiyah, irrespective of QNH, KIAS, DI, VSI, AH, RPM and whatever factors, the bottomline is whether the Komet could have broken the sound barrier in a dive? for e.g., the Harrier can hit Mach 1 in a dive. Yeager is officially recognised as the 1st guy to hit Mach 1, and he did it in a Bell X1 in Dec '53.
My question remains unanswered: would it have been possible to accomplish the same feat in the Komet in '45? i.e. could the germans have accomplished the same feat as the the Americans, but earlier? -
To answer simply, no. The Komet was not designed for that kind of speed. The wings would have ripped off before the Komet reached anywhere near Mach 1.Originally posted by espanol_man:the question is whether the Komet could have broken the sound barrier in a dive?My question remains unanswered: would it have been possible to accomplish the same feat in the Komet in '45? -
Viper: "The wings would have ripped off before the Komet reached anywhere near Mach 1"
Granted that, but without the wings (less drag), would the dying pilot be able to hit Mach 1 in a vertical dive to meet his maker? afterall, give the stats, chances are he would not have survived in the first place... might as well rip off his wings and see how fast he can go rite?
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Ahhh....maybe so, but the record books don't record it as an achievement unless you and machine live to tell the tailOriginally posted by espanol_man:Granted that, but without the wings (less drag), would the dying pilot be able to hit Mach 1 in a vertical dive to meet his maker? afterall, give the stats, chances are he would not have survived in the first place... might as well rip off his wings and see how fast he can go rite?