no i dont understand wat u toking abt, wat mongoose and wat snake. can be more specific?Originally posted by Bollywood_Beng:so many deaths in a short period of time.guess someone has got some serious changes to make dount u all agree?..the training deaths are one issue..but what about the others?..Guys , u should know better about what i am talking about..eg:the mongoose doesnt like the snake, so he goes all the way out to put him in the infamouse Kranji "burrow" just because he doesnt like his face..
all extra duties, charge and trg scope are currently being recorded.Originally posted by Bollywood_Beng:every unit or miiltary school should have a welfare officer appointed from the memeber of the puublic of non saf origin to ensure fair play..and extra duties/charge/training scope should be officially recorded , signed and approved by this officer..just a suggestion
its not that easy fren, sure u hav not heard of any incidents? ...a fren of mine got screwed by his OC beacuse his parents complained to mindef about his unfair treatment....who approves the records?...the cpt, Ocs ect..what is suggested is someone who's outside of non saf origin to take care of matters regarding this issue..how to access a person 100% full proof beforehand to find out if he will abuse power?..then there won be news headlines in the press of this scandals and that..did they ever expect Bill with monicka?..Originally posted by wuming78:all extra duties, charge and trg scope are currently being recorded.
misuse of power to get even with someone is a definite no-no. saf views this strongly, as would any organisation with hierarchy. this is prevented by records as u haf mentioned and other checks and balances (like having a counter-signing or approving authority). before someone gets promoted to higher ranks and appointments, i would imagine that they would assess the person to see if he / she is likely to abuse authority and power.
i personally have not encountered or heard of incidences where ppl misuse their powers this way.
i foresee that its high chances u r goona end up int he "burrow" if u are the kind who cannot get along well with others even if u didnt do anything wrong..pray hard that r not gonna be the wrong guy at the wrong place wif the wrong peopleOriginally posted by kopiosatu:hayiah... liddat then liddat lor... change and change... called army liao meh
the approving / counter signing authorities are mostly the superiors, or the manpower department (e.g.)Originally posted by Bollywood_Beng:its not that easy fren, sure u hav not heard of any incidents? ...a fren of mine got screwed by his OC beacuse his parents complained to mindef about his unfair treatment....who approves the records?...the cpt, Ocs ect..what is suggested is someone who's outside of non saf origin to take care of matters regarding this issue..how to access a person 100% full proof beforehand to find out if he will abuse power?..then there won be news headlines in the press of this scandals and that..did they ever expect Bill with monicka?..
hahahah too late... been there, done that, i'm still okayOriginally posted by Bollywood_Beng:i foresee that its high chances u r goona end up int he "burrow" if u are the kind who cannot get along well with others even if u didnt do anything wrong..pray hard that r not gonna be the wrong guy at the wrong place wif the wrong people
hayioh... let me teach you something.Originally posted by Bollywood_Beng:father..this was what i meant..there's simply no one to take care of some sucky Ocs and csms ..forced to donate..this is really unfair and abuse of power man..ask them and they say its disobeying direct orders, shit and a whole lot of filth ..just let me ask if your officer asks u to bend down and lay on all fours and u disobey it..can u be chargeD?
where there is power, there sure is misuse..some guy when given power feels he can do anything, cause the human mind is like that..an incident i encountered was when i passing by a warrant once and he stared at me and asked "what u looking at?!"..and then started to pick on smart 4 not fold properly when ect...
i guess you are another one who think that the instructors didnt do anything wrong eh?Originally posted by Ler83:so what about the death?? When in army they always say must strike a balance between SAFETY and OPERATIONAL READINESS.
i guess by "splashing water on the POW course trainees", (as the original lesson plan states) basic endurance and self-discipline cannot even be achieved, let alone OPERATIONAL READINESS.
yes my condolences go out to those who unfortunately died during training while serving their 2 1/2 years...but what is "NS" without accidents occurring??
no offence to the public but i do pity those instructors involved..their level of experience should be high and rich enough to successfully conduct such high risks trainings..however it was jus inevitable that such unfortunate incident happened, and it caused them their jobs. Thousands had passed out from the course alive before.
SO...WELFARE OR NOT? SAFE OR NOT? RELISTIC TRAINING THEN??? YOU DECIDE
Originally posted by dead_clone:true
plz dun condemn d whole org juz bcoz u had bad experiencez with [b]ur superiorz... it'z not fair... & plz spare a thot 4 ur SGTs, PCs, CSMs & OCs... most of d time, they're d middlemen... d crap u get iz passed down from way up there so no use complaining... d military law iz there 2 maintain order & discipline, not 2 make ur life miserable... & plz hv d common sense 2 distinguish wat orderz u can follow. when in doubt, u can alwayz discuss with another superior... dun make it sound like SAF owez u...[/b]
agreed.Originally posted by kopiosatu:hayioh... let me teach you something.
officer ask u do what, you just do.
he ask u do stupid things, u just do. in front of other people, even better. just do it, then kill him from higher up lah! haiz, don't know why ppl die die must have 'face' in the army. you lose your 'face' for a while, then you can kill that guy off later. Don't give me the example about the dead soldier, i'm referring to the "bend down and lay on all fours" comment.
In a situation like that, I will just do, see how happy it makes him. In fact i'll choose to do it with people looking at me, and i'll do it with a smile on my face, in the end, let's see who will be in trouble.
Okay, this is just how i would do it. No dead soldiers examples please
its regrettable tt many of us tend to generalise and assume tt our own experiences are representative of the bigger picture. is it fair?Originally posted by HENG@:agreed.
my 2IC(only a useless young LTA, aren't they all?)
too bad then. maybe i've served under all the useless young LTAs, but u can ask kopisatu about whether im generalising too much.Originally posted by wuming78:its regrettable tt many of us tend to generalise and assume tt our own experiences are representative of the bigger picture. is it fair?
please take into consideration of the other party when making such statements. mabbe b4 we jump into making such sweeping statements, we shud also consider wat the other party is thinking of us.
yes, i can understand. i had my share of lousy colleagues and superiors during my ns.Originally posted by HENG@:too bad then. maybe i've served under all the useless young LTAs, but u can ask kopisatu about whether im generalising too much.